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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding

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jelly

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hohoXD123 said:
May prepared to change human rights laws to tackle terrorism




https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/jun/06/general-election-2017-security-farron-knee-jerk-response-politics-live


Theresa May going after human rights laws again, this time using the London Bridge/Manchester tragedies to justify it....

And if human rights laws stop us from doing it, we will change those laws so we can do it.



I think he's speaking from Birmingham
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I may be wrong but I think they already have most of the laws if not all to do those without much hassle. You just have to follow through and work together. What sort of hell hole does she want to make the UK for normal citizens. I guess like how she slipped in porn she will slip in workers rights and stuff alongside Terrorism.
 
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BadHand

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Corbyn is really in his element giving passionate speeches and meeting with voters. It's nice to see that he's finally adjusted to his own style of leadership.
 
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Garjon

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BadHand said:
Corbyn is really in his element giving passionate speeches and meeting with voters. It's nice to see that he's finally adjusted to his own style of leadership.
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This is something he is very good at. He is passionate and that shows in these rallies, but it remains to be seen whether he can carry these messages away from Labour heartlands.
 
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Biggzy

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CarlisleDavid1979 said:
Remember the kick in the balls that was the 2015 exit poll.

Already prepared for it this time.
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Waking up to the news that the Conservatives won a majority was like someone running over my dog.

At least this time I am prepared for the news of at least a healthy Conservative majority,
 
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hydrophilic attack

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Huw_Dawson said:
I'd propose a simplification of our policy - we'd advocate re-joining the EU, reforming government, investing heavily in the NHS, social care and education.

I'd also use it as an opportunity for a new generation to take up the fight. We could do with a 30-something person with their head screwed on like Macron.

The core of it though would be to facilitate bringing on new voters - scrapping the wooly "nerd" Lib Dem image and really putting fire into the campaigning moving forwards.
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So, basically Labour but completely pro-EU and no Corbyn?

I'm not sure that's enough in a FPTP system
 
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Right now, Labour is averaging about 38% in the tracker on Wikipedia. That's actually really high for Labour and would be their best performance since Blair got 40.7% in 2000, but the Tories are just doing so much better since the collapse of both LibDems and UKIP.

You have to wonder how much of the potentially Labour vote there is possibly left.
 
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Ushojax

Should probably not trust the 7-11 security cameras quite so much
Garjon said:
This is something he is very good at. He is passionate and that shows in these rallies, but it remains to be seen whether he can carry these messages away from Labour heartlands.
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It remains to be seen whether he can effectively lead the party. He's run a good campaign (helped massively by a horrendous Tory manifesto) but if he loses, all the old problems will rise again. Let's not forget that because of his poor leadership of the Labour Party, he is reduced to having people like Diane Abbott as shadow Home Secretary because nobody competent wants to work with him. It wasn't that long ago that Andy Burnham was not willing to even be seen with Corbyn after he won his mayoral race. If it weren't for the dementia tax this would never have been a contest.

If the Tories get another majority, Corbyn should resign politely and the rest of the party should have the good sense to acknowledge the effective parts of his message and keep pushing them.
 
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Hasney

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Oh, that free pint of Punk IPA thing, I just checked in the comments for my missus and they will change it for a pint of Vagabond which is gluten free if you can't do gluten, which is nice.
 
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Coriolanus

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Ushojax said:
If the Tories get another majority, Corbyn should resign politely and the rest of the party should have the good sense to acknowledge the effective parts of his message and keep pushing them.
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i feel that, should he opt to resign, they'll have little choice wrt that, since he'll most likely still be so absurdly popular inside the party that he'll be a kingmaker.
 
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Wait a goddamn fuckking second. May just said "If Human Rights laws stop us [from deporting suspects that we don't have evidence on] we will change the laws"

Is this a joke, or am I the only on that saw this on the Sky stream.
Fucking hell when will my fellow british people pull their head outta their arses
 
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hohoXD123 said:
I think he's speaking from Birmingham
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Yeah, I checked the local news and he was definitely doing the speech down near where I saw the crowd at Millennium Point.

Not a bad pull of people for a rainy, grey Tuesday evening. Might have gone down and watched it myself if I had the time.
 
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Uzzy

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Ushojax said:
If the Tories get another majority, Corbyn should resign politely and the rest of the party should have the good sense to acknowledge the effective parts of his message and keep pushing them.
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Well, they should, but I've little faith in that happening under someone like Yvette Cooper.
 
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OverBlood 3

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Someone on twitter earlier said the FT is reporting that some backbenchers in the Labour Party are going to launch another leadership challenge. 10pm Thursday.

They've obviously not learnt their lesson. There's some massive egos in the party,
Christ.

I don't think he should step down unless he actually wants to, he could endorse someone else in that scenario.
 
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OverBlood 3 said:
Someone on twitter earlier said the FT is reporting that some backbenchers in the Labour Party are going to launch another leadership challenge. 10pm Thursday.

They've obviously not learnt their lesson. There's some massive egos in the party, Christ.
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They are the worst. I don't care if your on the right or left on the party but there's definitely a few proper pricks in there somewhere
 
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Doctor_Thomas

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OverBlood 3 said:
Someone on twitter earlier said the FT is reporting that some backbenchers in the Labour Party are going to launch another leadership challenge. 10pm Thursday.

They've obviously not learnt their lesson. There's some massive egos in the party,
Christ.

I don't think he should step down unless he actually wants to, he could endorse someone else in that scenario.
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If that happens, I think Corbyn needs to do what he failed to do that last time and cull these people. They're Blairites, they aren't left wing, and Corbyn scares them for that reason.
 
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I do wonder if we'll see a paradox of Labour losing seats, but Corbyn increasing support in the PLP by election of allies as MPs.
 
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kiyomi

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Ushojax said:
If the Tories get another majority, Corbyn should resign politely and the rest of the party should have the good sense to acknowledge the effective parts of his message and keep pushing them.
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If they'd have acknowledged the effective parts of his message, they'd be helping him right now. But they're not.

The people within Labour who don't support Corbyn are effectively a lot of Tories wearing red and would take us back to the more right wing policy of a Blair-lead party. No thanks.
 
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Real Hero said:
They are the worst. I don't care if your on the right or left on the party but there's definitely a few proper pricks in there somewhere
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What angers me is that if these fuckers just got behind their party leader as the Conservatives did with theirs we could be looking at a Labour victory.
 
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Par Score

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OverBlood 3 said:
Someone on twitter earlier said the FT is reporting that some backbenchers in the Labour Party are going to launch another leadership challenge. 10pm Thursday.

They've obviously not learnt their lesson. There's some massive egos in the party,
Christ.

I don't think he should step down unless he actually wants to, he could endorse someone else in that scenario.
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The Blairites and Progress thought they'd won, they thought they had Labour on lockdown for the foreseeable and that those damn Militant lefties had been silenced for good.

The current situation is therefore wholly unacceptable to them. Because Labour shouldn't be about the membership, it shouldn't be about socialism, it shouldn't be for these Momentum upstarts. It should be for them, the sensible Moderates.

This won't end until the Labour Party is either back in power or split in two.
 
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nOoblet16

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Corbyn's speech was fantastic, compare it to May's speech or even Miliband and you'll see that he is something special. Alas Labour doesn't see it.
 
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Uzzy

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So Women's Hour on BBC Radio 4 had a politics discussion today, and Amber Rudd says this about Saudi Arabia. (Skip to 10:07 to hear it for yourself)

Presenter "They (Saudi Arabia) are also believed to have very strong funding links with groups like so called Islamic State"

Amber Rudd "Well we've managed to reduce that, the funding links, and make sure their influence where it's bad is going to be limited."
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She later rather angrily denies saying that Saudi Arabia funds ISIS when one of the callers pulled her up on it, but that's still kinda damning.
 
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Ushojax said:
It remains to be seen whether he can effectively lead the party. He's run a good campaign (helped massively by a horrendous Tory manifesto) but if he loses, all the old problems will rise again. Let's not forget that because of his poor leadership of the Labour Party, he is reduced to having people like Diane Abbott as shadow Home Secretary because nobody competent wants to work with him. It wasn't that long ago that Andy Burnham was not willing to even be seen with Corbyn after he won his mayoral race. If it weren't for the dementia tax this would never have been a contest.

If the Tories get another majority, Corbyn should resign politely and the rest of the party should have the good sense to acknowledge the effective parts of his message and keep pushing them.
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It will be interesting to see what happens with the blairites because even though he's not likely to win, things have not gone anything like the PLP said they would, they had all these reasons he could never win:

- Too Left Wing: Produced easily the most popular manifesto in the election, YouGov had his major policies at 60% approval in the country
- IRA sympathiser: The Tory's tried to hard to make people care about it but it didn't hurt him and the exposure only gave him the chance to present his reasoned argument for what he did.
- Not a good leader: Until this campaign it's been hammered home to us what a great leader Teresa May is, she's been exposed badly as a weathervane with no capacity to determine the course of events while Corbyn has steered the entire news cycle away from Brexit into policy discussion, then into security when everyone thought he was crazy to do so.

The only thing that even slightly played against him was Trident and even that didn't go like his detractors said it would.


I honestly didn't think I'd be saying this six weeks ago, I thought Corbyn would come out with a crazy manifesto that was completely unachievable and get high 20% of the vote. But now we're here I think the biggest reason Corbyn isn't going to win is because of the damage his own party did to him, if he'd had Yyvette Cooper on the front bench for the last two years, if Hillary Benn hadn't been so quick to stab him in the back on Syria, if the PLP had actually been backing him and helping him fight the tories then I don't think there's any doubt they'd be even closer to winning than they are now.
 
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