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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding

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Morat

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Pretty sure that is illegal. You aren't allowed to campaign on the day/near polling stations.

If you can get proof and contact the electoral commision, that would be good.

Nope, as long as you are outside the polling station it's fine. Did it for Labour during the Mayoral election.
 

Carl

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My dad was just telling me how, as a lifelong labour supporter, he's not voting for them this time because of Corbyn. "Where's he going to get the money to do all of this"

Sigh
 

gngf123

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Telling - which is the act of finding out how someone voted after they have done so - is perfectly fine. The person running the station has to be aware of it, and you're only allowed to wear a coloured rosette, no party logos or anything.

Asking how someone voted is fine.

Asking for their votes generally isn't. Polling stations are meant to be completely devoid of any campaign material that could sway the vote.

Nope, as long as you are outside the polling station it's fine. Did it for Labour during the Mayoral election.

Oh, okay.
 
this should be the thread title

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Well, all the people on my Uni course voted Labour.

It's what you'd hope, and it at least softens the inevitable disappointment that at least I'm on a course with good people.
 
My dad was just telling me how, as a lifelong labour supporter, he's not voting for them this time because of Corbyn. "Where's he going to get the money to do all of this"

Sigh
So show him the costings and tell him to get his ass down to the polling station.

But yeah, it's indicative of the effect the media has had this election.
 
I'm feeling incredibly depressed about all of this. I don't think I've ever felt like my vote had less meaning, and I'm in a marginal constituency (that the conservatives are going to win).

Was also annoyed to see a conservative volunteer asking for votes / polling cards outside my polling office.

As Huw said, these are volunteer tellers getting an idea of who has voted so later today they'll be knocking on doors to get non-voters out. I had a Labour volunteer at my polling station this morning ask me the same. (Cardiff Central)
 

*Splinter

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My dad was just telling me how, as a lifelong labour supporter, he's not voting for them this time because of Corbyn. "Where's he going to get the money to do all of this"

Sigh
Show him this:
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Plus it's been "endorsed" by a lot of 200 odd economists.

There is also the IFS report to consider, which definitely had a negative headline but seems to be a little more nuanced in detail. (I haven't attempted to understand this detail myself, but there was an interesting post on it earlier in the thread:
The mistake was setting only £3.9Bn for uncertainty and the IFS setting it at £11.5Bn. The difference between Labour saying £48.6Bn and the IFS saying £41Bn was then it could be widely reported everywhere that the figures don't add up and they would ultimately add to the national debt with their money tree.

But the IFS also said that if you have all of Labour's day to day spending increases and if you also spent an extra £25Bn a year on infrastructure then Labour would only actually need to raise £30Bn a year with tax rises for the national debt to still fall over the parliament.

The IFS also showed that if Labour only brings in £41Bn a year, they would still move into surplus on their revenue spending in their third year and have £21Bn to spare at the end of their term in 2022. But to most people it is still a Christmas wish list that would bankrupt the country and the Treasury saying May’s No Deal with the EU would cost us £45Bn is just scaremongering.
 

pswii60

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Do exit pollsters normally only show up at marginal seats?

They will be attending the exact same seats they attended in 2015. They then compare the results against their 2015 results to see the trends and extrapolate from that.

So, if they are in Liverpool now, they were there in 2015.
My dad was just telling me how, as a lifelong labour supporter, he's not voting for them this time because of Corbyn. "Where's he going to get the money to do all of this"

Sigh

And this is why the Tories will likely win a huge majority tonight, I'm afraid.

That said, I voted for the Tories in 2015 (I fucking wish I hadn't now though) but didn't make that same mistake this election.
 
Election day is like the Twilight zone on news channels.
For the last few months nothing but election and for the next few months coming it'll be the same...but today? Phil Collins falling over is the most interesting thing they can find to talk about.
 
As Huw said, these are volunteer tellers getting an idea of who has voted so later today they'll be knocking on doors to get non-voters out. I had a Labour volunteer at my polling station this morning ask me the same. (Cardiff Central)

I still don't like it. I don't think anyone wearing a party rosette should be anywhere near a polling station.
 

Mr. Sam

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If we're doing family anecdotes:

One brother has always voted Labour; the other reads The Sun and has never voted in an election before and, on advice from iSideWith, is voting Labour; my sister-in-law who's never voted before is also voting Labour; my mother reads The Daily Mail but soured on Theresa May in a big way in the run-up and is voting Labour.

My dad was a civil servant for four decades, during which time he always voted Labour. On my twenty-fourth birthday, he gave me a copy of The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists (a socialist novel from early twentieth century, for those not in the know) because it influenced him so much when he was that age. Come Ed Miliband, he voted Tory. This election, he plans to do the same. He hates Corbyn with a visceral passion and sees May as the lesser of two evils.
 

SugarDave

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I've done my part and voted Labour. I'm not optimistic that tomorrow will bring good news but at least it was nice to be able to vote with conviction for a party that offered palpable change.
 

Carl

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So show him the costings and tell him to get his ass down to the polling station.

But yeah, it's indicative of the effect the media has had this election.

Yeah I've showed him the costings and trying to get him to come with me to vote. I'm sure he will. I highly highly doubt he will vote Tory, but even so... Not reassuring
 
My dad was just telling me how, as a lifelong labour supporter, he's not voting for them this time because of Corbyn. "Where's he going to get the money to do all of this"

Sigh

What frustrates me (and I'm not having a go at your dad) is that is that generally people with such views never say for example "well I don't agree that Corbyn has fully costed his manifesto becaus the IFS says that the costings aren't quite right, they're not going to achieve that much via Corporation tax increases, and they say that more than 5% of the population could see tax increases. Though at least they've provided some costings for us to go on unlike the Tory party."

Instead it will be based entirely on something seen in a right wing paper or on social media.
 
Yeah I've showed him the costings and trying to get him to come with me to vote. I'm sure he will. I highly highly doubt he will vote Tory, but even so... Not reassuring

My thought process regarding the manifesto was, if Labour can only achieve HALF of what they're promising, that's still a significantly better outcome than anything May is offering.
 

pswii60

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Election day is like the Twilight zone on news channels.
For the last few months nothing but election and for the next few months coming it'll be the same...but today? Phil Collins falling over is the most interesting thing they can find to talk about.

You do know they're not allowed to talk about it today right? The most they're allowed to do is show people going to to the polls, and saying 'people are going to the polls today'.

The floodgates will open again when the polling booths shut.
 
It wasn't. It understated the tories and showed a hung parliament. It was 2010 that was spot on.

That isn't how I remember it...I recall last time they called it that the Conservatives would gain a majority or close enough to it and a lot of people questioned it and assumed it must be wrong but it was proven correct.
 

Garjon

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Where in Liverpool, might I ask?

Wavertree (Broad Green to be more specific)

RE: pswii60 I don't recall them being there last time and I went to vote around the same time as now. Though if Labour throw away a 24k vote margin here, that would be nothing short of unmitigated disaster.
 

SDR-UK

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Saw a lot more faces today in the polling station than usual which is a great thing, regardless of who they're voting for.

That said, Blaenau Gwent is an ultra-safe Labour seat so hopefully it sticks to that.
 

Daffy Duck

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By the next election we need a tinder style voting app to get youngsters voting. Just a picture of the local MP (or the leader should May have her way with this team May style BS) and a swipe left or right to vote.
 
Wavertree (Broad Green to be more specific)

RE: pswii60 I don't recall them being there last time and I went to vote around the same time as now. Though if Labour throw away a 24k vote margin here, that would be nothing short of unmitigated disaster.

They're likely trying to track how Labour's vote is going in their safe seats, as it helps build a representative forecast.

There is exactly no chance of any real damage being done to any Liverpool seat. You might see a recovery amongst the no-hopers that puts the LDs in second place in a few of them, but Liverpool and Manchester are safe-as-houses Labour and probably always will be.

Your neck of the wood is Lab/LD competitive at council level but the actual constituencies are nearly impossible to shift.
 
That isn't how I remember it...I recall last time they called it that the Conservatives would gain a majority or close enough to it and a lot of people questioned it and assumed it must be wrong but it was proven correct.

It had them on 316 and they got 331. It was quite good but not spot on.
 
Has anyone been exitpolled before? Not in a 'oh I don't believe it's big because I haven't been', absolutely not, just out of curiosity.

Of note my polling station has our first tellers in years - in my few years here and our many votes for local/election/referendum/PCC, don't think I've seen one. But as my seat is Bennett for the greens, tellers there throughout the day.
 

nOoblet16

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There is zero chance the Liverpool seats are not going to Labour. The gap is just too damn big and the mentality up here is distinctively anti Tory.
 
By the next election we need a tinder style voting app to get youngsters voting. Just a picture of the local MP (or the leader should May have her way with this team May style BS) and a swipe left or right to vote.

You just need to work out a reason why parties that wouldn't benefit from a higher youth vote would go along with this.
 

Par Score

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Still think voting day should be a national holiday.

The poorer and more marginalised you are, the more likely you are to have to work on national holidays.

Shelf stacker at Tesco? You're fucking working Bank Holidays you prole scum.
Middle Manager at some swanky financial firm? Have the day off, and don't forget, vote Tory.

There are many more sensible ideas to make it easier to vote without advantaging the Tories even more.
 
Wavertree (Broad Green to be more specific)

RE: pswii60 I don't recall them being there last time and I went to vote around the same time as now. Though if Labour throw away a 24k vote margin here, that would be nothing short of unmitigated disaster.

Huh, weird then, I had for a second thought it may have been Wirral West since they flipped between Red and Blue over the past three elections, but no I'd have no clue as to why they'd be there today. I never see anyone when I vote, place is a ghost town, and I've gone at different times of day each time (morning, rush hour, lunch, evening rush hour etc).
 
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