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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding

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Stead Fast

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SporeCrawler said:
One and a half
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That's the official time. If you think any PM, no matter what party wins, isn't going to hound on about any bad deal and painfully retry negotiations that will fail for their entire time in power, even after we've officially left, in an attempt to appear less than a colossal fuck-up, then you've more faith in our government than me. Every other week after leaving, we'll be on the European news touting some other crap about re-opening talks as the money starts to dry up.
 
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Stead Fast

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nekkid said:
Sky News paying attention to what REALLY matters.

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A colourful metaphor for the two main parties, it would seem.
 
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Rubbish King

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Huw_Dawson said:
There's rumblings internally that Portsmouth South is close.
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Got to dream, polls do have some potential, but the lib dem labour split could keep her in. As for Flick, I really am not a fan. University is lobbying her to keep them fees on the uppity up and she couldn't have been more a dick to our SU.
Beefy said:
How about Southampton? I need Royston to fuck off.
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bleurgh, they're evil and deserve everything that comes to them
 
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TimmmV

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Huw_Dawson said:
My favourite one is when he deliberately drop-kicked the two young organisers of the post-EU-referendum Liverpool protest, preventing them from speaking, then waffled on himself, and also prevented the protest being about anything other than the spike in race crimes.

Or the time he shouted at a council candidate at a count for staring at him.

Or the time he tried to intimidate another council candidate at a count by walking up to them and saying "I can smell you Liberals".

He's the perfect example of why I dislike Labour so much. Lovely, friendly people - until they win power.
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"Lovely, friendly people - until they won power" would be a good way to sum up the Lib Dems from 2010-15 to be honest
 
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Go_Ly_Dow

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It's 1206am in Japan, time to hit the sack. My parents have voted Labour and also fulfilled my proxy vote for Labour.

I'll be waking up just as the exit poll releases, here's hoping for some Corbyn socialist miracle.

Peace ya'll, take it easy. <3
 
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Huw_Dawson

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TimmmV said:
"Lovely, friendly people - until they won power" would be a good way to sum up the Lib Dems from 2010-15 to be honest
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I did think someone was going to say that - and I agree, political parties get quite hard-headed when they get into power.

But Liverpool's Labour take the biscuit!

And yeah, the Lib Dems in government were not all that bad, especially if you compare the post-2015 government. It sucks as a Lib Dem because you want to see the big transforming impact of things like LVT, PR etc. Instead you get Lib Dems able to compromise down Tory policy, which honestly isn't that exciting or a good enough reason to win votes again.
 
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SporeCrawler

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Stead Fast said:
That's the official time. If you think any PM, no matter what party wins, isn't going to hound on about any bad deal and painfully retry negotiations that will fail for their entire time in power, even after we've officially left, in an attempt to appear less than a colossal fuck-up, then you've more faith in our government than me. Every other week after leaving, we'll be on the European news touting some other crap about re-opening talks as the money starts to dry up.
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No two years and then UK is out of the EU. If the EU will discuss any trade deals after that is up in the air
 
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Huw_Dawson

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Fernando Fernandez said:
I only found out the past week that Flick was born in Yemen. I'm just worried the Labour / Lib Dem vote is split, both seem to think they've got it in the bagto beat Flick.
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If you want a perspective on Portsmouth South, Neil Monnery did a piece for Betfair on it recently, and he's predicting it as a Lib Dem gain.
 
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Stead Fast

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SporeCrawler said:
No two years and then UK is out of the EU. If the EU will discuss any trade deals after that is up in the air
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I know, that's why I said that's the official time where we leave. But, the UK looking into trade deals after that time has passed, no matter how hopeless, is more of a certainty imo. That's why I said the winner today will be the face the rest of Europe is going to have to put up with for the next 5 years.
 
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Wvrs

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Chinner said:
Seems like there is more of a LEEDSGAF than I thought.
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Leeds here too, moving away in a few weeks after four years. I'll miss it.

Put my vote in for Labour, so did my housemates who didn't vote in the last election. Pls turn out, youths.
 
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Huw_Dawson

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VegiHam said:
They stabbed us in the back and now I owe a fuckton in student loans.

Never trusting them again tbh.
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- It's a fairer repayment system now than under Labour, and you have to be earning well over seventy grand a year to pay back more.
- The original university funding report recommended "mortgage-style debts", which was avoided.

But this is all irrelevant as the Lib Dems went into a government that wasn't a Lib Dem government, so they got nuked. There's absolutely nothing I could do to convince you otherwise.
 
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peanutbutterlatte

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Have a lot of work to get through before I pop into the local polling station.

Mock election at my work today came out unanimously Labour. Quite a lot of young folk though.

Man I am sick of being told that student fee repayments are so small you "hardly notice". I sure as shit notice £50 less in my account each month mate.
 
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VegiHam

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*Splinter said:
I don't support the Lib Dems, but everyone who believes this has been played for a fool by the Tories.
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Wait, that's not how it went down? I was too young to vote at the time I just remember them saying they wouldn't put them up and then they went up.
Huw_Dawson said:
- It's a fairer repayment system now than under Labour, and you have to be earning well over seventy grand a year to pay back more.
- The original university funding report recommended "mortgage-style debts", which was avoided.

But this is all irrelevant as the Lib Dems went into a government that wasn't a Lib Dem government, so they got nuked. There's absolutely nothing I could do to convince you otherwise.
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Actually you probably can convince me. You got any links to where I can read more on this? I genuinely thought it was straightforward, I'm just in an 'everything is futile' kind of mood today.
 
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milanbaros said:
Yep, how they took the lion share of the blame when they were a minority partner in coalition I don't know.
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The coalition of voters that voted in the Lib Dems was of two groups - only one of those were liberals. The rest were "on loan" voters from the other two - they liked the local LD MP, they agreed with the LDs broadly (as most people do in Britain, as Britain is a liberal country).

The liberals stuck with the party. The on-loan voters ran.

This is why the new Lib Dem path to relevance is based on finding all the liberals in the big two and convincing them to come to us and stay with us through thick and thin. This is known as the "core vote" strategy.
 
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gngf123

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/r/ukpolitics has become even more of a shithole than usual today, goddamn.

Literally flooded with shitposts and telling people to waste votes and draw cocks on their ballot paper. It's like it has turned into 4chan.
 
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TomWaitsForNoMan

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milanbaros said:
Yep, how they took the lion share of the blame when they were a minority partner in coalition I don't know.
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People expect the Tories to be Tories, they didn't expect the Lib Dems to be (but if they'd read the Orange Book they'd prob have realised sooner)

HazySaiyan said:
The town itself is still shit though
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Not gonna lie to you pal, the sum total of my knowledge of Huddersfield comes from sitting by a canal on bank holiday Monday three sheets to the wind singing "da da dadada dada Michael Hefele"
 
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Guys, I'm sorry, there's no two ways about it - the Lib Dems held up big signs saying they'd vote against any rise in tuition fees and then voted for a rise in tuition fees:

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Why were they punished for it and the Tories weren't? Because the Tories weren't so dependent on the student vote and nobody on the Tory end went, "Ugh, a coalition with the Lib Dems? That's tarred them forever now."
 
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Royal_Phalanx

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gngf123 said:
/r/ukpolitics has become even more of a shithole than usual today, goddamn.

Literally flooded with shitposts and telling people to waste votes and draw cocks on their ballot paper. It's like it has turned into 4chan.
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When was /r/ukpolitics not a shithole. If anything it's better now than before where it was basically /r/uk/pol/itics. It's basically 4chan with all the "SALT" and "TRIGGERED LEFTIES" going around by some rather infamous users.
 
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Mr. Sam said:
Guys, I'm sorry, there's no two ways about it - the Lib Dems held up big signs saying they'd vote against any rise in tuition fees and then voted for a rise in tuition fees:

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Why were they punished for it and the Tories weren't? Because the Tories weren't so dependent on the student vote and nobody on the Tory end went, "Ugh, a coalition with the Lib Dems? That's tarred them forever now."
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Clegg hadn't read Liam Byrne's note when he made that pledge though.
 
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TimmmV

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milanbaros said:
Yep, how they took the lion share of the blame when they were a minority partner in coalition I don't know.
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For a lot of young people they were a way of voting to stop the Tories

Instead the Lib Dems allowed the Tories to form a government. The moment they did that they were always going to be fucked long term

The Tories still get most of the blame, but at least people expected them to do what they did. They didn't with the Lib Dems

Huw_Dawson said:
I did think someone was going to say that - and I agree, political parties get quite hard-headed when they get into power.

But Liverpool's Labour take the biscuit!

And yeah, the Lib Dems in government were not all that bad, especially if you compare the post-2015 government. It sucks as a Lib Dem because you want to see the big transforming impact of things like LVT, PR etc. Instead you get Lib Dems able to compromise down Tory policy, which honestly isn't that exciting or a good enough reason to win votes again.
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It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Labour party are corrupt af in Liverpool, because they know they will win with very little effort so can basically do whatever they want. So I believe you there

But yeah, the Lib Dems enabled a lot of shit in the coalition, even if it was the Tories pushing the terrible stuff, the Lib Dems still gave them the platform they needed to get that done
 
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