Well you know how clickbaity todays media is. Economic data from today is far from good but also far from apocalypse. If you read what economists think about it it's mostly "Meh, hopefully it doesn't get worse".
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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding
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Well you know how clickbaity todays media is. Economic data from today is far from good but also far from apocalypse. If you read what economists think about it it's mostly "Meh, hopefully it doesn't get worse".
It's not like anything is going to happen in the next couple of years that could make it way worse
Well there's that elephant in the room.
But the chancellor says it's all fine and stable:
PJV3
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Yeah, if you're a Tory/brexiteer it is probably best not to worry about economic figures for a while anyway.
As long as the sky doesn't fall in.
31GhostsIV
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Unless the UK shuns stability and clarity for a coalition of chaos, of course!
It's often revised anyway.
When asked about the economic slowdown and if it was related to the hard Brexit and plans to leave the single market, the chancellor responded:
He must win a prize for hitting all three targets at once right? It is impressive the level of party discipline they have around messaging. Unless something peculiar happens, this election is going to be an absolute slaughter.
He must win a prize for hitting all three targets at once right? It is impressive the level of party discipline they have around messaging. Unless something peculiar happens, this election is going to be an absolute slaughter.
Depressing
Jesus. The Conservatives actually sicken me. I'd love to see if they actually KNOW the answer to that. I doubt they do, but the idiots are not going to care.
4 posts above I mentioned the same story with even a giant picture and no reply? Hmmm interesting
First post, but I've read the entire thread so far. I'm unrelentingly depressed at the state of things today - I'm a remain voter and a Green party member in Worcester.
Wanted to reply to Hue about the Green's being disengenous on the progressive alliance in Sussex - if you read that article it seems like the door is open but they've not had the response from LD to stand down as yet, so let's see what happens there.
I received notice of our nomination here yesterday, Louis Stephen. He's a good guy and I'd be proud to vote for him but I have asked our local party to consider backing probably our Labour candidate for the best chance of keeping the incumbent Tory out FWIW.
Look forward to some positive news as the 8th June approaches but the fact that May can still stand up at PMQs and blame a global financial crash on Labour, as she did on Wednesday, and have noone call her out says it all really. We're fucked and not getting unfucked soon.
Wanted to reply to Hue about the Green's being disengenous on the progressive alliance in Sussex - if you read that article it seems like the door is open but they've not had the response from LD to stand down as yet, so let's see what happens there.
I received notice of our nomination here yesterday, Louis Stephen. He's a good guy and I'd be proud to vote for him but I have asked our local party to consider backing probably our Labour candidate for the best chance of keeping the incumbent Tory out FWIW.
Look forward to some positive news as the 8th June approaches but the fact that May can still stand up at PMQs and blame a global financial crash on Labour, as she did on Wednesday, and have noone call her out says it all really. We're fucked and not getting unfucked soon.
Who's running in Worcester this time around? My mate's mum (Joy Squires) did a pretty decent job last time out, but sadly lost out to the Tories.
Huw_Dawson
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The big one is Richmond - if the Greens stand there, there is a real chance Goldsmith is let back in.
This shouldn't be horse trading - if you're not targeting the seat and are likely to lose your deposit, and there's an alright Lib Dem and it's a target seat, don't stand. That's the position we had, in reverse, in Brighton and it's the position the Greens had in Richmond.
This "progressive alliance" talk seems to be more about getting the Greens in the news than anything else.
EDIT: This reporting is interesting.
LD Shadow Chancellor Susan Kramer gets a higher billing on the opposition comments than John McDonnell, in the Mirror.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-suffers-pre-election-blow-10313735
If you actually look at how the papers are shifting, it does almost look like the Mirror is flipping towards the Lib Dems, not Labour, this election. A tabloid swinging behind the Lib Dems would have been unthinkable only two years ago.
Jezbollah
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Please don't lurk excowboy. I'd like you to join in more. I think I'm nowhere near where your beliefs are (I consder myself soft centre-right) - I'm disillusioned with the current state of our politics. And I find it cathartic to be discussing it with everyone here.
Apparently she said she won't stand this time, but yes, she has been an excellent local representative. I don't think she's a Jezza fan though!
Don't worry, I just wasn't logged in on my phone til now! Agreed on the catharsis front - look forward to joining in with some more constructive thoughts over the next few weeks
PJV3
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It's one of those things that sounds logical if you don't give it much thought. All that really matters is that your government will be present all the way through negotiations.
Huw_Dawson
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Why is there a bulletin on the BBC feed reporting Keir Starmer responding to yesterday's BoJo comments about Syrian intervention? Isn't that Emily Thornberry's job? His remit is Brexit, hers is Foreign Office.
Maybe he was directly asked or something.
Maybe he was directly asked or something.
He more and more seems like the unofficial leader of the opposition.
PJV3
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The idea of Jeremy getting lost during the campaign is very appealing if I'm being honest.
Huw_Dawson
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Paul Nuttall said:
He was doing so well, until that last line. Tory response will be predictable. "Each vote for Theresa May and the Conservatives is a vote for a strong and stable Brexit. Every vote for UKIP is a vote that could let in a weak coalition of chaos led by Jeremy Corbyn..."
The better UKIP do, though, the better it is for Lib Dem campaigns across the country. So hey, please split the Leave vote as much as possible, Nuttall.
What's amusing is that this, if mirrored, is exactly what the Lib Dems would say, if you remove the attack lines on Corbyn:
"In many ways it is an election on our turf (we actually described this election as being on "our terms") - a Brexit election.
A whopping Conservative majority would only serve to secure the hardest possible Brexit. Hordes of Tory advocates of Brexit-at-any-cost will allow the PM to secure the worst possible deal, safe in the knowledge that she has the votes banked..."
Lets make ít official
PJV3
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Oh Timmy......
I don't think it's that bad, I wouldn't expect UKIP to become pro Europe or give up on getting us out if they lost the referendum.
Ukip aren't doing shit. Their King Cunt has left and all they have is baby cunt without the "I'd have a pint with him" factor.
They are dead and I will take their death as the only victory in this election. Booked a day off.
Oh Timmy......
I don't think that that looks bad on Farron, he just loves referendums, that's why he wants another one.
Frankfurter
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Disgusting
4 posts above I mentioned the same story with even a giant picture and no reply? Hmmm interesting
I noticed it afterwards! I liked the picture, but didn't see a link so I just thought it was an amusing picture.
I also see that UKIP are campaigning for proportional representation, an elected House of Lords and an English parliament. I imagine that the Lib Dems are still wanting proportional representation too, but they offering any more constitutional reform? Huw?
PJV3
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Leave voters back the fascist in the French election:
Europe in chaos with a refugee crisis on top is best for Britain, fucking idiots.
Huw_Dawson
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Oh Timmy......
*2008*, dude.
I also recall wide Labour support for the EU referendum bill in the end.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/583346/MPs-vote-favour-EU-referendum
You're just trying to find stuff to throw Farron's way to deflect.
Leave voters back the fascist in the French election:
Though a lot of Leave voters want to hide it, it's blindingly obvious that there is a massive coincidence between voting Leave, liking Trump, liking Le Pen, etc. etc.
Leave voters back the fascist in the French election:
That's a pretty terrible question - surely there are ways people can answer "I think Le Pen is a disgusting fascist, but yeah, she'd probably be pretty good for Britain if only by making France look like a shit hole by comparison"
I don't think they'd think further than "She's an evil cunt but she hates the EU so YAY"
"Good for Britain" and "Good" are two distinct things. For example, you might think Le Pen initiating Frexit would be the last jenga piece that brings the EU crashing down and Britain would benefit from the fallout.
As dumb as the decision to leave the EU was, I don't think it necessarily correlates with a love for fascism.
As dumb as the decision to leave the EU was, I don't think it necessarily correlates with a love for fascism.
QuicheFontaine
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What's disgusting? They're right
Miles Quaritch
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Leave voters back the fascist in the French election:
Unsurprising. I imagine it's starting to dawn on a lot of Leavers how shit things are going to be and the hope is that if Le Pen gets in, she'll trigger a 'Frexit' which they think will give the UK more bargaining power.
It's still dumb considering the EU burning down would cause a massive financial crisis that wouldn't help britain at all.
Just shows people have no clue what they're talking about
Huw_Dawson
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"Some people want to watch the world burn"
Royal_Phalanx
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You do know who Front National and Le Pen is, right?
Which would possibly be better for the UK. Same thing with Trump saying he wanted a trade deal done quickly with the UK. That was a better foreign policy position for the UK than Hillary's position.
That certainly doesn't mean that they're good for their countries, or necessarily translate into support for them, but it's not unreasonable to say they'd be better for the UK.
ReplacementPelican
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Yes but they're got all their pseudo-intellectual political rhetoric ready to pretend like it would be the best thing for us in regards to treaties, trade deals, etc.. rather than just 'I have an irrational hatred and fear of the EU and immigration.'
Its amazing how much this has turned into just 'well, I reckon...' as opposed to anything substantive.
Frankfurter
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Lol. A fascist President in France surely is gonna be amazing for the UK...
It's pretty much like claiming Trump is good for the UK, or really for anyone actually.
Le Pen / Trump would/will damage both their respective countries and others. The only question to what extent.
Which is all BS. Even Trump knows that by now.
Yeah, I know. Trump turned out to be lying about that, much to everyone's surprise.
He probably believed it at the time. Then some poor advisor had to explain the situation using lego.
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