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[jelly]

The voting age statistics will be interesting after this. If the younger generation don't turn up in record numbers for this it will be a sad day. You have to live through this shit a lot longer than old people and work, life etc. that will change because of government.

 

[*Splinter]

The voting age statistics will be interesting after this. If the younger generation don't turn up in record numbers for this it will be a sad day.

It'll be a sad day whatever the turnout.

I'm expecting a poor turnout for this one. It doesn't feel like a close race so I can see a lot of people not bothering. OTOH maybe Brexit will have lead to more people interested in politics.

 

[PJV3]

It'll be a sad day whatever the turnout.

I'm expecting a poor turnout for this one. It doesn't feel like a close race so I can see a lot of people not bothering. OTOH maybe Brexit will have lead to more people interested in politics.

The Brexit crew seem more angry than ever, they look pretty motivated.

 

[Audioboxer]

The voting age statistics will be interesting after this. If the younger generation don't turn up in record numbers for this it will be a sad day. You have to live through this shit a lot longer than old people and work, life etc. that will change because of government.

Changing the age to 16 in Scotland was a good move in my estimations. Secondary school often teaches a fair bit about politics, and capturing the mind of a 16-year-old is arguably "easier" than an 18-year-old. Once 18 is hit it's time to explore University/social life expansion and often a good few years of boozing/mischief and not giving a shit about anything other than friends and yourself. Very generally speaking.

I think England/rUK should really consider going to 16 as well. As much as the argument comes forward "what does a 16-year-old know?!", you can almost say "what the fuck do some of these 65+ year olds going batshit on national TV know?". As I said secondary schools teach a fair bit about politics these days.

 

[Randy Lanzarote]

I have cast my vote... All 4 of them! (why they can't bundle all candidates by party on the ballot form is beyond me).

Doeant seem to be a lot of enthusiasm out there with the GE around the corner, be interesting to see turnout rates later.


I wonder if the result will provoke some sort of reaction in the GE. Ie. Strong Tory result convincing labour voters to get off their arse come June 8th (or vice versa)?

 

[Murkas]

Done my duty.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

Brexit will screw over the young the most, you'd think they'd bother to go vote. I guarantee you most of those registering won't go because they've given up.

 

[War Peaceman]

Well I read something today saying that the percentage of students registered to vote is at a record high iirc.

 

[Carl]

Just been and voted for my local independent candidate. He's my neighbour, a nice guy who does a lot for the local community, but most of all he makes his presence known all the time and not just near election time

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Waiting on flight from London, better have no delays and get back in time to vote! >_<

 

[Jezbollah]

Oh god it's been so nice to have a day without political reporting.

 

[HaloRose]

My generation doesn't vote god it's only takes 3 mintures of your day to vote!

 

[QuicheFontaine]

Voted for John Savage - the SERIOUS candidate for Metro Mayor. I liked that he said the name was dumb in his campaign literature. Passes the 'would have a pint with' test.

 

[Acorn]

Brexit will screw over the young the most, you'd think they'd bother to go vote. I guarantee you most of those registering won't go because they've given up.

Can't blame them for giving up. Their fathers and grandfather's generation have continually shown they will fuck them hard up the arse with no lube at any chance. Oh and they never miss a chance.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Can't blame them for giving up. Their fathers and grandfather's generation have continually shown they will fuck them hard up the arse with no lube at any chance. Oh and they never miss a chance.

This.

I'd genuinely despair too if I were English given that basically all the big party options are crap, and the smaller parties have a big uphill battle to get anywhere.
I'd probably just vote Labour by default and just lament.

 

[Jackpot]

I voted.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

18-24 voting intention is 55% Labour - can you blame them for not giving a fuck in the current circumstances?

 

[King_Moc]

Brexit will screw over the young the most, you'd think they'd bother to go vote. I guarantee you most of those registering won't go because they've given up.

I reckon. I'd probably be much more keen if I'd gotten what I wanted every time. Instead, my vote is literally ignored every election.

 

[Acorn]

18-24 voting intention is 55% Labour - can you blame them for not giving a fuck in the current circumstances?

Those 18-24 and right wing must be great at parties.

I've never met someone in that age group that was right wing.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Those 18-24 and right wing must be great at parties.

I've never met someone in that age group that was right wing.

I've met a worrying few, one of which is my own brother :/

Not many mind you, but it's a very worrying trend, this whole young conservative thing of late :/

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I've met a worrying few, one of which is my own brother :/

Not many mind you, but it's a very worrying trend, this whole young conservative thing of late :/

It's not a trend. The number of young people intending to vote Conservative has been seadily trending downwards since 2010 at least, probably longer but I haven't checked enough cross-tabs to get a reliable picture. Young Conservatives are just very vocal at the moment, probably because their party is on the up.

 

[Roberto Larcos]

Those 18-24 and right wing must be great at parties.

I've never met someone in that age group that was right wing.

It's very class-based and localised in that demographic, from what I understand.

 

[w1ck3dn1nj4]

Brexit will screw over the young the most, you'd think they'd bother to go vote. I guarantee you most of those registering won't go because they've given up.

Yup, and who was that cunt who just waved through this Tory Brexit without any opposition? The same “straight talking” cunt who talks up brighter prospects for the young, when he in fact sold their future down the fucking river. The opportunity was there for him to prevent their futures from becoming a disaster, but noooo, he made it a certainty! Believe it or not, twat was even calling for A50 to be invoked the morning after the vote! Seriously, if he ever turns up on my doorstep, god help me

 

[Audioboxer]

I've met a worrying few, one of which is my own brother :/

Not many mind you, but it's a very worrying trend, this whole young conservative thing of late :/

At best up north, I think all that is happening is some young Labour voters are going Conservative. The rest are just the usual Conservative voters, but now with some added noise due to Brexit, and feathers being ruffled that the "2014 indyref didn't mean NO for 100 years".

I'm more worried about turnout. Today my polling place were estimating a 25~35% turnout lol. Really bad. It's apparently always bad here. Last year was the first time I've voted here since moving. Just a church 2 mins walk from me. Plenty of homes and flats around about, but apparently lots of people who don't seem to give a shit about their right to vote.

 

[TimmmV]

I've met a worrying few, one of which is my own brother :/

Not many mind you, but it's a very worrying trend, this whole young conservative thing of late :/

The only ones I've met are either the properly mental right wingers - one for instance would argue that fat people didn't deserve treatment on the NHS because "they did it to themselves" (and obviously felt that him getting treatment on an injury while out running was totally fine), or those who didn't really care about politics and just voted Tory because thats how their parents do

Managed to get my vote for Manchester mayor done in the end, Greens first choice, Lib Dem 2nd. Was hard doing the Lib Dem cross but couldn't give Burnham any support.

That was the least busy I've seen the polling station in like 5 years, so wouldn't be surprised if turnout is low (as was predicted)

 

[CyclopsRock]

I don't really care what the age is, but they should unify it imo. It seems loony that you're allowed to o vote for the politicians that set the age you can drink at (not to mention go to war, levy taxes, nationalised industries, invade your privacy etc) but you can't buy a can of Fosters and a pack of Marlboro Lights.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

Those 18-24 and right wing must be great at parties.

I've never met someone in that age group that was right wing.

The very worst people I've ever known have been terminally thick young Tories. They exist. They don't tend to breed in large numbers, but there's always one announcing himself, marching about in a suit with a briefcase. Will typically be even odder than your average political youth.

Often these people come fully equipped with arsehole parents and grew up with elderly adults as friends.

The worst part about it is that the motivation is always power. Even when they're spotty little runts.

 

[Morat]

The very worst people I've ever known have been terminally thick young Tories. They exist. They don't tend to breed in large numbers, but there's always one announcing himself, marching about in a suit with a briefcase. Will typically be even odder than your average political youth.

Often these people come fully equipped with arsehole parents and grew up with elderly adults as friends.

I remember there were some at my uni. They sometimes held meetings, were every attendee was wearing a fucking&#8203; suit.

 

[jem0208]

Those 18-24 and right wing must be great at parties.

I've never met someone in that age group that was right wing.

One of my house mates is pretty right wing. We're 21.

He does economics and he's very intelligent.

He is a nice bloke but quite traditional and nationalistic. He does seem quite like an old man honestly. Talks about cricket all the time and is incredibly knowledgeable about roads.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

The only ones I've met are either the properly mental right wingers - one for instance would argue that fat people didn't deserve treatment on the NHS because "they did it to themselves" (and obviously felt that him getting treatment on an injury while out running was totally fine), or those who didn't really care about politics and just voted Tory because thats how their parents do

Managed to get my vote for Manchester mayor done in the end, Greens first choice, Lib Dem 2nd. Was hard doing the Lib Dem cross but couldn't give Burnham any support.

That was the least busy I've seen the polling station in like 5 years, so wouldn't be surprised if turnout is low (as was predicted)

Oh yeah my bro is in the former camp, argues austerity didn't go far enough, food banks are good charity etc
All that shit

 

[CyclopsRock]

I'm curious as to how many of the people saying "young right wing people are a strange mix of horrible and boring" are, themselves, young adults? I ask because - as a 28 year old - the older I get the more I realise there's precisely no relationship between political leanings and who I enjoy spending time with. Granted I'm from London where basically everyone is socially liberal but still...

 

[Audioboxer]

The very worst people I've ever known have been terminally thick young Tories. They exist. They don't tend to breed in large numbers, but there's always one announcing himself, marching about in a suit with a briefcase. Will typically be even odder than your average political youth.

Often these people come fully equipped with arsehole parents and grew up with elderly adults as friends.

The worst part about it is that the motivation is always power. Even when they're spotty little runts.

I remember there were some at my uni. They sometimes held meetings, were every attendee was wearing a fucking&#8203; suit.

Nothing wrong with looking sharp, but one stereotype which often comes true is youngsters who vote Tory will probably come from a wealthy family and believe voting Tory is a sign of affluence and status. A lack of socialisation around poorer people leads many to view them as lesser people and many of the "they don't work hard enough/hand outs are for the weak" heartless stereotypes. I've heard people criticise food banks saying anyone who goes to them needs to sort their lives out. It can really get that vicious.

Although, in Scotland you also have a lot of football fans who mix politics with religion (Celtic/Rangers). That's often about the Union/Queen and Country, so that sways to Conservative voting as well. Probably more so now than even Labour as the Tories have managed to position themselves better as the Unionist party in Scotland, even although Labour oppose indyref too. Still, the suit and briefcase Tories are probably not the football fans lol. Voters cut from different cloths that vote for the same party for different reasons. Don't get me wrong it's probably a safe bet nearly everyone voting Tory opposes Scottish independence, but for sure some view it as more important an issue than others.

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

Those 18-24 and right wing must be great at parties.

I've never met someone in that age group that was right wing.

I've met a UKIP voter and a Conservative voter in 2014 when I was in university in 2 separate occasions, in the good old pre-Brexit days. They talked about the EU Parliament elections that year and were complaining about how shit the EU is and how they wanted a referendum so badly. Ironically they loved going to mainland Europe regularly (especially Amsterdam for...reasons).

One of them really lived the countryside lifestyle. Owned guns and went clay pigeon shooting a lot. He told me how shit UK gun laws were and really wanted to emigrate to the USA because the living standards, society and freedoms offered there were far better than Europe.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

I'm curious as to how many of the people saying "young right wing people are a strange mix of horrible and boring" are, themselves, young adults? I ask because - as a 28 year old - the older I get the more I realise there's precisely no relationship between political leanings and who I enjoy spending time with. Granted I'm from London where basically everyone is socially liberal but still...

I'm 27 and I've been involved in politics since my late teens, so I've met all sorts. There are very many oddballs who get involved with such things at a tender age, of all flavours of politics.

However the tories have always been the oddest bunch, except for the girls who for some reason are often oddly sexy, in an evil dorky kind of way.

 

[CyclopsRock]

I'm 27 and I've been involved in politics since my late teens, so I've met all sorts. There are very many oddballs who get involved with such things at a tender age, of all flavours of politics.

However the tories have always been the oddest bunch, except for the girls who for some reason are often oddly sexy, in an evil dorky kind of way.

My man.

 

[Audioboxer]

I've met a UKIP voter and a Conservative voter in 2014 when I was in university in 2 separate occasions, in the good old pre-Brexit days. They talked about the EU Parliament elections that year and were complaining about how shit the EU is and how they wanted a referendum so badly. Ironically they loved going to mainland Europe regularly (especially Amsterdam for...reasons).

One of them really lived the countryside lifestyle. Owned guns and went clay pigeon shooting a lot. He told me how shit UK gun laws were and really wanted to emigrate to the USA because the living standards, society and freedoms offered there were far better than Europe.

Wut? No thanks. Just check those weekly US gun crime stats. It's a good thing our gun regulation is as strict as it is. I have zero issues with gun sports and some forms of collectors interests. A country all convinced they need guns for protection to walk outside their homes? Nah, we can do without that. Thankfully I think most of the UK will think like that.

The reasons for the US getting as insane as they have with guns is complex, including things in the amendments (and years and years and years of gun circulation), but the UK need not follow now or in the future.

 

[Randy Lanzarote]

Polls close in 5mins, so we should start to get some exit poll results.

Which is good, as hopefully it'll replace that scary-ass picture of Prince Philip on the BBC News homepage.

 

[phisheep]

Headline on the BBCs rolling coverage.

"Poles close"

Edit: they've corrected it now

 

[Number45]

I've done my part. We've been LD here for a good while locally, although we've changed councillor recently so it'll be interesting to see if they can hold - sure that UKIP were pretty close behind last time out.

Come the general election I can vote LD too - there's little chance of returning anything other than Conservative from what I can gather.

 

[Ravensmash]

There's only one council seat on offer at my local election.

It's a staunchly conservative area (think all but 4 of the seats are conservative) but I'd be interested in seeing whether the results do reflect a change of local opinion.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

Polls close in 5mins, so we should start to get some exit poll results.

Which is good, as hopefully it'll replace that scary-ass picture of Prince Philip on the BBC News homepage.

I don't think they do exit polls for local elections

 

[JonathanEx]

Yeah, no polls.

I think it's mainly mayoral counts overnight, many councils doing daytime tomorrow counting

 

[killer_clank]

scotland count in the morning - it's STV which normally takes forever but we have electronic counting for council elections so hopefully shouldn't take too long

 

[TimmmV]

I'm curious as to how many of the people saying "young right wing people are a strange mix of horrible and boring" are, themselves, young adults? I ask because - as a 28 year old - the older I get the more I realise there's precisely no relationship between political leanings and who I enjoy spending time with. Granted I'm from London where basically everyone is socially liberal but still...

It depends which camp they fall into.

Being totally honest, I personally find it really hard to be friends with the properly mental ones (and have basically started talking to people less who were like that), but theyre the ones saying stuff like my earlier example about selective healthcare based on whether its 'deserved', or getting rid of maternity leave or sth. The others who are just kind of right wing (and vote tory, or maybe lib dem) are usually fine to get on with.

Basically, it depends how extreme they are.

 

[Audioboxer]

It depends which camp they fall into.

Being totally honest, I personally find it really hard to be friends with the properly mental ones (and have basically started talking to people less who were like that), but theyre the ones saying stuff like my earlier example about selective healthcare based on whether its 'deserved', or getting rid of maternity leave or sth. The others who are just kind of right wing (and vote tory, or maybe lib dem) are usually fine to get on with.

Basically, it depends how extreme they are.

Well said. British politics is all still fairly central, so people of all political beliefs can get on fine and have great friendships. The Tory party is undoubtedly veering further right, which I think will even be giving many long-term Tory voters some sleepless nights. It's why you can't just debate with a hammer and decide to bludgeon every single Tory voter you can find. Many may have voted that way for years. Debate and change can take time. If the people aren't going to get it through the leaders/MP's changing, they have to then consider their voting habits which can be a slow process. Politics can often be treated like supporting a team, and well, who the fuck ever changes the football team they support even when it's a rough patch? No one. Getting people to switch political parties is just as hard. Lots are locked into "family voting" as well. As in, my families always voted X.... So that's how I will vote!

There may well be some decent Tory candidates, but at the top of that party where it counts there are far too many career politicians and heartless bastards. Unfortunately, they are shaping the UK in ways which may never be reversible or will take generations to change back. That's causing what many would say is understandable hostility towards the Conservative Party, and by extension to many of the voters. It's best to remember not every Tory voter is a xenophobic Daily Mail reader, just as not everyone supporting indyref in the North is an inward looking Scot who dislikes the rUK. Most fundamentalists in any camp are minorities (Brexit pushed that notion a bit, but I still stand by it). It's just a shame many across the UK aren't being successfully convinced modern day Conservatives are not doing well for the UK, think about other options. As much as Corbyn and Labour are in a bad state themselves, the Tories really should be facing their own red wedding in England for how awful they've been the last few years. Not seeing polls go UP. Especially not with May at the helm. She's all sorts of comically bad. I'd take Cameron back tomorrow and he was still a huge twat, cut from the same career politician cloth as many in the Tory party.

 

[Pandy]

I'm 27 and I've been involved in politics since my late teens, so I've met all sorts. There are very many oddballs who get involved with such things at a tender age, of all flavours of politics.

However the tories have always been the oddest bunch, except for the girls who for some reason are often oddly sexy, in an evil dorky kind of way.

I can absolutely relate to this.

 

[Carl]

Looks like my local area is counting over night, according to their twitter. Highest turnout so far is 36.46%. Mostly seems to be ~29%. Christ, I know local council elections don't get great turnout but jesus

 

[Audioboxer]

Looks like my local area is counting over night, according to their twitter. Highest turnout so far is 36.46%. Mostly seems to be ~29%. Christ, I know local council elections don't get great turnout but jesus

Carl! That's what the ladies said for the expected turnout for my polling both as well. 800ish able to vote, 150 postal votes and most likely 100-150 walk ins. 200 would be "excellent". That just being one polling station, but historically across all in my area figures would be similar.

It's frustrating as the indyref turnout in 2014 was like 85% for the whole country. So, people know how to vote, have done so before, and now just don't bother their arse. You could make an argument local council elections matter "more" than the GE due to how they impact on immediate surroundings and living conditions for where you directly live.

*Checks BBC website*

Labour loses seats....

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Also Dave David Davidson Davis David Davey Davidson Dave Davis calling out the mean EU again it seems

Brexit Secretary David Davis, who attended the infamous Downing Street dinner with European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, defended Theresa May for her stinging attack on the "bureaucrats of Brussels" earlier this week.

Mr Davis tells BBC's Question Time the government wants to keep Brexit negotiations "stable, calm and sensible" to get the best outcome for both sides.

But he said "eventually we got to a point where a line was crossed" when briefings began that the UK would have to pay 100 billion euros as part of its divorce from the EU, and that the PM would not be able to negotiate.

Clearly what was happening was the commission was trying to bully the British people and the British people will not be bullied and the government will not allow them to be. So she made the point she made and was right to do so... We're very lucky we've got a bloody difficult woman."

 

[Shadowhelper]

I've never met a young farage type brexiter nor know any.

But my GF has two friends who voted brexit, for lexit. The leftwing Corbyn bullshit. None of it makes any sense since every flaw they point out in the EU apparatus, our institution is worse.

This whole thing about why young people should vote a certain way. Come on guys. Such a simple question on an insanely complicated issue. Most people didn't really know the implications at all. Even young people who are informed and leftwing, many of them were confused.

Most people are stupid. Sad but true. That's why from the very beginning I've said I blame Cameron not the voters. Sure many of them the deplorables, but tons were not, and the result is not a strong reflection on the country.

Sorry, as devestating as brexit may be, voting to leave the EU, is not as shameful as voting in Trump, if Marine Le Pen win, or the Neo Nazi parties that are taking over the Eastern European Eu countries. Especially when you consider there was no real remain campaign.

Young people in Greece voted against the EU. Young people in France rejected the European constitution. So did the young Dutch.

Voting against the EU, when given the chance happens pretty frequently. The EU knows this which is why they discourage it at every opportunity.

 

[Carl]

One of my town's electoral wards had a 25% turnout. Turnout that low really fucks me off