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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding
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QuicheFontaine
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Hey the Tories warned you about AV bro..
They warned you.
I know it's not actually AV up there 
PJV3
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I don't know, there's something sad about her these days, it's like she's in slow motion.
cyberheater
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I'm not saying she's an idiot but my god.
FlammableD
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Can we just skip to the bit where I'm miserable after the vote, not this constant feeling of doom.
PJV3
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This is the best bit, after the result you get policy implementation. This is peak hope you're feeling.
I've been looking at IT jobs in Germany too and have found that all the English speaking ones seem to be asking for quite skilled people.
The reality once inside Germany might actually be quite different, but from an English speaker looking at German jobs from the UK, thats how its appeared
Yeah, the best Italian food I've ever had (outside Italy ofc) has been in Germany too. Also find that food in Germany is a lot cheaper than the UK
Also, German bakeries/bread in general is the best hands down, and I will fight anyone who says otherwise! English bread really sucks by comparison. Admittedly you cant base your entire diet on bread and meat, but its not like German food has no merit whatsoever.
Is the bolded not more down to your specific employer than the work culture nationally?
APZonerunner
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I can't believe this shit
31GhostsIV
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Ugh, that reminds me - no chance of overturning the local plans to reduce bin collections to once every three weeks by our Tory overlords then.
Election time Tories: "Quick, hide George/Boris/current most toxic cretin from public eye"
Election time Labour: "Book Diane Abbott in for as many interviews as possible"
Labour need a good PR strategist so much. As if recent photos of Corbyn and McDonnell in front of Hammer & Sickles wasn't bad enough, we've got Abbot making a fool of herself everywhere...
Labour's best play for the next 5 weeks is to try and assume the same 'patriotic' ground. Otherwise this anti-EU johnny foreigner fearing crap is going to affect them just as badly there. Make it a matter of patriotic urgency to get the Tories out. State its they who have placed our union and economy in jeopardy. State our future and stability are less secure with them. People aren't buying the "austerity is cruel and has been entirely unnecessary" narrative - even if it's true. People aren't being reflective of their last 6 or 7 years. It's all about them believing project fear and believing Corbyn and Labour are a risk or a joke, while the Tories are not. The need to more emphatically put out the message that the exact opposite is true.
Does anyone here know anyone who has recently moved to Germany for work?
Feverishly reading links like this as we speak:
http://www.make-it-in-germany.com/e...ded-professions/scientists-and-it-specialists
http://www.make-it-in-germany.com/e...e-skills?skills=#learning-german-the-easy-way
My grandmother's mother was Irish but sadly that's too far removed, and on the other side of the family I again have to go back to my grandparents' parents who were Prussian.
Labour's best play for the next 5 weeks is to try and assume the same 'patriotic' ground. Otherwise this anti-EU johnny foreigner fearing crap is going to affect them just as badly there. Make it a matter of patriotic urgency to get the Tories out. State its they who have placed our union and economy in jeopardy. State our future and stability are less secure with them. People aren't buying the "austerity is cruel and has been entirely unnecessary" narrative - even if it's true. People aren't being reflective of their last 6 or 7 years. It's all about them believing project fear and believing Corbyn and Labour are a risk or a joke, while the Tories are not. The need to more emphatically put out the message that the exact opposite is true.
Does anyone here know anyone who has recently moved to Germany for work?
Feverishly reading links like this as we speak:
http://www.make-it-in-germany.com/e...ded-professions/scientists-and-it-specialists
http://www.make-it-in-germany.com/e...e-skills?skills=#learning-german-the-easy-way
My grandmother's mother was Irish but sadly that's too far removed, and on the other side of the family I again have to go back to my grandparents' parents who were Prussian.
In my area we still have weekly collections, but they only collect council-branded bin sacks of which you get a limited number per year. Of course you can pay for more, because this is a Tory area and paying to get out of polluting the environment is a fundamental right
Of course, to counter this you have to show ID to get into the tip, and pay to throw away a lot of your waste to boot. I'm sure that won't increase fly-tipping
Of course, to counter this you have to show ID to get into the tip, and pay to throw away a lot of your waste to boot. I'm sure that won't increase fly-tipping
Royal_Phalanx
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I expect similar across a lot of Scotland. Terrible day to see Tory gains up here. Voters were probably always unionists, but I'd rather take Labour unionist votes than Tory.
Just goes to show people will flip-flop around parties based solely on who proposes themselves to be the stronger unionist. Considering the remain vote in Scotland it's hard to say it's all just leave voters flocking to the Tories because "strong/stable May".
Corbyn and Dugdale are going to have to stand down after the GE if it mirrors the LE.
Do you still believe Scottish independence still has a chance?
Huw_Dawson
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Weird day to be a Lib Dem. We're losing councillors due to Lab/UKIP -> Con swings, not because we're losing voters ourselves.
Current state of play is a rout of Labour and UKIP with our councillors getting hit by the crossfire.
We're also clearly beginning to see a rise in PC - should Labour get destroyed at the General (and they are) then it will likely be their biggest opportunity in decades to push forwards a cross-Wales strategy.
Current state of play is a rout of Labour and UKIP with our councillors getting hit by the crossfire.
We're also clearly beginning to see a rise in PC - should Labour get destroyed at the General (and they are) then it will likely be their biggest opportunity in decades to push forwards a cross-Wales strategy.
ecosse_011172
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Munich is a lovely city and you can definitely eat well there.
German traditional food IMO can be good but it's all hearty, stodgy stuff, a bit like the UK. However, germans do seem to think that their food is miles better than the UK.
I'd say they're at a similar level, mies behind Southern Europe.
The work culture you describe isn't necessarily German but maybe just the reality of school holidays etc. and that particular company, it wasn't my experience.
ecosse_011172
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Sadly it has very little chance, Scots are cowards and will get (well, already are) getting what we deserve.
nelsonroyale
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Democracy struggles with so much ignorance...Sad to see many people embracing selfish outlook on the world and following the Conservatives.
ecosse_011172: I think there is a chance, but yeah, still a lot of fear and selfishness in this country. Especially amongst the oldsters...Also, fuck if I deserve this. You can't take responsibility for all other people;s ignorance.
ecosse_011172: I think there is a chance, but yeah, still a lot of fear and selfishness in this country. Especially amongst the oldsters...Also, fuck if I deserve this. You can't take responsibility for all other people;s ignorance.
PJV3
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If it's over then I hope people return to labour and disarm the Tories using it as a wedge issue in England.
I know it doesn't change the maths, but it does change the optics.
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It's never going to happen with Corbyn at the helm.
Miles Quaritch
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Someone fucking gag her already. Fucking Christ.
PJV3
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Fuck me, being on the left is like solving a rubiks cube. Nuke it all and start again.
nelsonroyale
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He has no proof for what he says. It is far from over. Anecdotally, I only know of more people that support independence now, rather than less.
ecosse_011172
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Yeah, I know not everyone deserves it, I'm just pissed off as a Scot who's spent over 15 years living in Europe. I can't understand how on earth you can see the utter fucking state of the rUK and where it's going and not want to get the fuck out of it.
Little Old Man
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ecosse_011172
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I just can't see there even being a referendum, May will tell Sturgeon to get fucked and she can't do anything. We had the chance and didn't take it.
She is not helping matters AT ALL, between her and Corbyn, jesus......
Are you suggesting that if Theresa May had made such a 'joke' in the opposite direction then there wouldn't be uproar? The rhetoric is fucking awful on both sides, and comments like this 'joke' or not are not helping with the tensions.
How did she not learn from the other day!? She just went from 50 to 100. I honestly don't think she's well - I'd feel sorry for her in any other circumstance but she's Shadow Home Secretary! If she doesn't think she's up to the role then she should step down from it.
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Right, but the key word there is anecdotally. The polling average since Sturgeon announced her intention to seek another referendum has been 41% YES, 50% NO, 9% DK, or reallocating for DK... 45%/55%. I.e., things haven't really changed. Of course, that's a little misleading, since under the surface there's been a fair amount of movement, but what has happened is that pro-Remain Unionists have been switching at roughly the same rate as pro-Leave Nationalists, cancelling each other out.
That much change over the course of a campaign, but honestly, I doubt it. What's a campaign supposed to do at this point? Scotland had Indyref in 2014, a GE in 2015, Brexit in 2016, a GE in 2017. Everyone is as politicised as they can possibly get - every single political argument has been returned to a million times over. What could possibly cause the mass change in minds that would be needed?
With Scotland voting as it did in the EU referendum, I could see the SNP being able to make a convincing case for an IndyRef2 if the Brexit deal ends up as shit as can be expected.
For all the gains the Tories are making in Scotland, they're not making enough inroads to claim that a good GE performance means Scotland has rejected the need for any further referendum.
This is exactly why it shouldn't be an issue in local elections and the general election now though. We already know the can has been kicked down the road to 2019.
You can want to be ruled by the SNP without wanting to leave the union and crash your economy.
Kotetsu534
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I think Scottish independence still has a good chance of success in the medium term. Our population skews older, with the oldest are overwhelmingly against it, but the demographics will start to shift as the years pass. Men under 34 are regularly polled as being 2-1 (or even 70/30) in favour, with young women not too far behind. Through social media and Wings Over Scotland, the SNP are doing a good job of keeping their younger supporters energised. They also dominant national politics and therefore have considerable powers of patronage. Almost every young person I know who is serious about politics is an SNP member or vocal independence supporter (what ambitious 20-something would join Scottish Labour?). That said, I think they need to be careful not to overplay their hand - forcing another referendum in, say, 2019 and losing it by a bigger margin than 2014 would be greatly damaging.
Little Old Man
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Also, in unsuprising news:
I'll be interested to see a breakdown of first and second preferences.
I'll be interested to see a breakdown of first and second preferences.
Both sides aren't equal though. There would be uproar if May did that because the UK is in a much weaker position, and lots of people are pissed at the very decision to leave the EU in the first place
The UK has decided to leave, and wont agree to some of the fundamental rules the EU has on membership. There is no reason for the EU to be pacifying the UK anymore, so why should they?
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BBC are saying the turnout for Liverpool was only 25.9%, guessing Manchester will be broadly the same
ecosse_011172
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Why will the economy crash?
Even if there is a financial hit, wouldn't it be worth it to not have a government that fucks over the most vulnerable, is increasingly xenophobic and clueless in terms of foreign policy and that will fuck the NHS over big time. All while fucking the economy anyway, don't be fooled by UK figures, the only people doing ok are the ones at the top and that's to continue. Wait for more homelessness, more food banks etc.
QuicheFontaine
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I would march on City hall if this happened
DarthMasta
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There would be no uproar, since British jokes towards the EU are to be expected, they're business as usual. It's not the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs calling the EU Nazis, is it?
Besides, if this sort of joke is enough to get under British skin these days, buckle up, it's going to get much rougher once negotiations really start going...
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It's either bin collection reductions or people with dementia getting less care, bluntly put. Councils don't have much else of choice, blue or red (or yellow or pale yellow or purple or uh... Plaid are orange and green?). You need to march on Westminster if you want councils to have the budgets not to be shit.
Little Old Man
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I think Manchester was about 29%. But yeah, not great.
Also, per BBC reporter Andy Gill on Twitter:
FFS. Let's bring accountability and dedication to an office of power.....but I'll consider having that second job thanks.
Huw_Dawson
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I'll be more interested to see the region breakdown.
25% turnout is, obviously, a good indicator of how well our democracy is functioning right now.
Billy_Pilgrim
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Because the reality is, without the financial strength of England, Scotland cannot afford the welfare and social programs that currently exist.
ecosse_011172
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That remains very much to be seen, don't believe the 15BN "black hole" figures, they're not accurate.
Little Old Man
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I can't find them atm on BBC website, but here they are from that Twitter account:
And with specific numbers.
Billy_Pilgrim
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This is what we call wilful ignorance. It's a fact, Scotland would now be in an even worse position than it would've been in 2014.
The likes of Wings Over Scotland and the National were the original providers of fake news in Britain, it would appear that you've drank the kool aid.
Now if your position is that losing social programs, free tuition, NHS facilities and other things was worth it, that'd be a more adult conversation to have, but to have both is an impossibility. The SNP are failing in governance with a bigger budget than a post independent Scotland could ever muster.
So it's the SNP's fault that the only party of note to oppose them is the Tories?
The Tory upsurge is a direct consequence of the collapse of Labour and while Tories have had a strong showing in Scotland before, claiming that FPTP was the only thing holding them back is just plain factually inaccurate and can be easily proven by pointing to the Holyrood elections which aren't FPTP. While the Tories are the second largest party their position as such is only barely bigger then the next largest party (Labour) and significantly smaller than SNP.
The only delusional narrative here is people claiming that voters voting SNP is somehow helping the Tories (like the post I originally quoted.) What's helping the Tories is people not voting Labour. "Banging on about independence" would certainly be a factor for a slightly reduced SNP turnout (if that was a thing, the council numbers aren't showing any major decline...)
Audioboxer
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Of course, but if any country was to vote NO twice and celebrate Tory reign like the rUK it will be Scotland.
Economic bogeymen will be the downfall of Scotland. For all the natural resources and exports we have, coupled with a "small" population at 5m, voters panicking like Scotland would become a 3rd world nation without the mighty England will never be reached. Fear is the gift that will keep on giving. It used to only reach the old people and "not our pensions!". It seems to be seeping through to the middle-ages as well, now with immigration rhetoric and continued abuse hurled at the poor/sick/disabled. Basically, someone "below you" is always out to get your money! Panic! Band together and unify to fight the other!
If the choice is stay tied to the entity which put you in this state, or try something else. I'll have bit of something else please.
Bumping on about the Scottish deficit is the least convincing argument for the union.
31GhostsIV
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They trialled it in a few tiny rural areas and decided that somehow equates to it being applicable to towns. It's pretty disgraceful. It starts in September.
Of course recycling stays weekly. I'd prefer if getting rid of the smelly stuff was the priority.
ecosse_011172
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This isn't a joke anymore, is she mentally ill, drunk, lack of sleep from stress or something. You don't make comments like that if your level headed or an honest mistake.
Billy_Pilgrim
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It's nonsense and wishful thinking. Along very similar lines to 'Brexit won't impact the economy negatively, here's why'.
She can't even remember what she said 10 seconds ago, surely getting your figures right is a prerequisite of a shadow home secretary?
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