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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage
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UnblessedSoul
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Hopefully the Lib-Lab talks are positive and they come to a deal sooner rather then later
APZonerunner
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We just ought to get this over with and activate the queen.
killer_clank
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Serious talking, I might actually feel slightly uncomfortable if Labour actually offer a change in the political system without a referendum. I'd say yes obviously in a referendum, but I'd rather it goes to the people than political parties trying to one up each other.
CrunchinJelly
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I've seen the Adam Boulton Vs Alastair Campbell video from today... what happened with Nick Robinson?
I heard he was almost in tears when he heard Labour were talking to the Lib Dems too. Bless his little blue cotton socks. :lol
I heard he was almost in tears when he heard Labour were talking to the Lib Dems too. Bless his little blue cotton socks. :lol
Gary Whitta
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Yeah it was Cameron, a lame duck.Veidt said:
killer_clank
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Sage00 said:
I guess.
Gary Whitta
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avaya said:
NekoFever
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Well today got interesting :lol
I've already had my mum on the phone saying how terrible and undemocratic it is that we'll get an unelected Labour PM - as opposed to an unelected Tory PM, presumably. I swear the number of people saying this makes me think we should stop pretending that we vote for our MPs and move to a presidential system.
I've also just seen a column on the Telegraph complaining about how unfair AV would be because it disadvantages the Tories. As if getting a go at the wheel is a right...
I've already had my mum on the phone saying how terrible and undemocratic it is that we'll get an unelected Labour PM - as opposed to an unelected Tory PM, presumably. I swear the number of people saying this makes me think we should stop pretending that we vote for our MPs and move to a presidential system.
I've also just seen a column on the Telegraph complaining about how unfair AV would be because it disadvantages the Tories. As if getting a go at the wheel is a right...
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like AV would benefit the Lib Dems to a degree (because a lot of people would put them as their second choice). Which would possibly lead to more hung parliaments, and therefore better chance later down the line for PR.Wes said:
On the other hand, if this opportunity is lost and we don't get any voting reform, then we're just back where we started.
Varion said:
A labour-liberal-nationalist coalition would be extremely precarious, and not necessarily any better for libdems than the Tory offer would be. I'd imagine the libdems long term strategy would be to let the Tories run a minority government with the guarantee of an electoral reform referendum, thus allowing the Tories to take action to cut the deficit, while also avoiding a lot of the negativity that will come from the cuts. At the next election they would find their position significantly improved if some form of pr passes and they can avoid being seen as past of the cutting government.
If the Conservatives put it to a referendum they'll get their entire party and press support behind voting "No", since it'll lead to more "unstable governments" etc. The whole thing they've been doing in this campaign, and I think they might win by putting the fear in people.Varion said:
killer_clank
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If a rainbow coalition is to go ahead, the SNP are going be complete bastards about getting what they want. They'll ask for absolutely no cuts towards scotland whatsoever, I'm guessing.
Gary Whitta
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I don't know why Boulton thought he'd get anywhere by puffing his chest up and trying to get in Campbell's face. Campbell is one of the most intimidating men in politics, he's hardly going to get fazed by a little turd like Boulton.avaya said:
killer_clank
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Gary Whitta said:
It was hilarious. He almost looked as if he was about to punch him.
Mecha_Infantry
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Thanks guys, I was on my phone so I couldn't really check, shitty 3G signal
phisheep
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Puts Clegg in a very powerful position, as whichever way he goes, he will have to explain his decision on principled grounds. That will be probably one of the most important political speeches in the last 50 years, as it has the potential to utterly destroy either Labour or the Conservatives - or at least to put them to sleep for a long while.
it's worth considering the sticking points.
For the Conservative deal the sticking points are:
- something to do with education
- electoral reform
- taxation policy
For the Labour deal I think the sticking points are likely to be:
- strength and stability of the coalition
- credibility of economic plans
- fairness of budget cuts (if large chunks are ringfenced in Scotland etc and by public service unions)
- perhaps civil liberties
And central to the whole lot is whether the parties are patently negotiating in good faith and in the national interest.
It isn't an easy choice.
I have half a mind to nip down to Parliament Square with a banner saying 'Does Clegg support Civil Liberties?' - for which I will get arrested on camera. That should be fun.
The long-term future of the LibDems would arguable be better served by shafting Labour.
it's worth considering the sticking points.
For the Conservative deal the sticking points are:
- something to do with education
- electoral reform
- taxation policy
For the Labour deal I think the sticking points are likely to be:
- strength and stability of the coalition
- credibility of economic plans
- fairness of budget cuts (if large chunks are ringfenced in Scotland etc and by public service unions)
- perhaps civil liberties
And central to the whole lot is whether the parties are patently negotiating in good faith and in the national interest.
It isn't an easy choice.
I have half a mind to nip down to Parliament Square with a banner saying 'Does Clegg support Civil Liberties?' - for which I will get arrested on camera. That should be fun.
The long-term future of the LibDems would arguable be better served by shafting Labour.
killer_clank
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The guys at Sony, MS and Nintendo need to be watching this shit to learn how to drop a MEGATON. A++ for today's ones.
killer_clank
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Wes said:
Yeah, behind closed doors they're gonna be scheming like fuck.
Gary Whitta
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ORDON BROWN TO RESIGN!
Nice one BBC News.
Nice one BBC News.
killer_clank
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"ORDON BROWN TO RESIGN"
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