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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage

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Mad_Ban

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RedShift said:
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"I want you to know that if you ever change your mind, and I mean ever, my offer still stands."
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"Please don't shut us out of power for a lifetime."
 
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Wes

venison crêpe
Hague speaks out with details on today:

8.40pm: William Hague has just been briefing journalists at Westminster. He has given us some more details of what happened this afternoon.

• Until lunchtime today the Tories and the Lib Dems were negotiating on the basis that they would sign a "confidence and supply" agreement. Hague said the talks were very amicable. They were talking about a pact that would last for two parliamentary sessions, until autumn 2012.

• But this afternoon, after the meeting of Lib Dem MPs, Nick Clegg called David Cameron to say that he wanted to form a proper coalition with one side and that he would only do so with a partner offering AV.

• Cameron then decided he would be willing to "go the extra mile" and offer a referendum on AV. He called a second meeting of the shadow cabinet to ensure that his shadow ministers supported him. He then put it to the Conservative parliamentary party. Within the last hour, Cameron discussed his offer with Clegg in a phone call. Hague said that, on the issue of voting reform, the Tories had now reached their "bottom line".

• The Tories have not given the Lib Dems a deadline, but they think the Lib Dems need to make a choice urgently.

• The Tories would use the whip to get the legislation for a referendum through the Commons. But Tories would be free to campaign against AV in the referendum.
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Empty

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Varion said:
Wow, the Conservative MPs actually swallowed the AV referendum and applauded Cameron.
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well, once he explained that the tories could campaign against it, along with their allies in the press, i doubt they were that bothered.
 
G

Ghost

Chili Con Carnage!
wow huge gesture from the tories, i had a feeling they'd bend over backwards to get into power, after all, they've basically flip flopped constantly for 5 years to get votes, whats one more flip?

Want polls on AV vote now.
 
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Wes

venison crêpe
Lib Dems probably telling the Tories right now "Make AV legislation and David is PM tomorrow". Just one more stretch.
 
Acheteedo

Acheteedo

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BBC seemed to indicate that a coalition would last 4 years, would we not have another general election much sooner than that? Especially if the voting system is reformed.
 
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Xavien

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Wes said:
Lib Dems probably telling the Tories right now "Make AV legislation and David is PM tomorrow". Just one more stretch.
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Will never happen, the only reason the Tories are even contemplating this is because they think they can win the referendum, with that its a forgone conclusion and that would be something they would never support.

John Reid is an Idiot.
 
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avaya

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<3 Laws and Huhne.

Cons would have better time of it with Duncan and Clarke in there instead of the trio of muppets.

Big dick baby. Big dick.
 
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Varion

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Chinner said:
depends how fussy they are about PR - i imagine they are.
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Well if Hague's right then they chose to set AV as a minimum.

If I remember rightly Ming Campbell said something similar on Question Time a few weeks ago - they want PR, but they wouldn't necessarily say no to a step towards that, even if it wasn't going all the way.
 
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curls

Wake up Sheeple, your boring insistence that Obama is not a lizardman from Atlantis is wearing on my patience 💤
WTF is John Reid smoking. Comparing the low Lib Dem vote to what he thinks will be a low vote for PR. :lol
 
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RedShift

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John Reid is such a party pooper.

For a start Lib Dem share of the vote =/= share of support, not close. A lot of tactical voters aren't represented, myself included.
 
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Mr. Sam

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Varion said:
If I remember rightly Ming Campbell said something similar on Question Time a few weeks ago - they want PR, but they wouldn't necessarily say no to a step towards that, even if it wasn't going all the way.
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Historically, minor reforms have stalled future reforms more than anything. The principle of "reform so that you may preserve."
 
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mclem

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DECK'ARD said:
Under the FPTP rules, Brown should have had the first chance at forming a coalition. Clegg went against those rules to talk to the Tories first, keeping his word about the party winning the most seats and votes having the mandate to do so first.
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I'm not sure he did, strictly, go against those rules; Brown *needs* the LDs to get a coalition, so if they refused him point-blank automatically, that's his attempt used up and so Clegg's free to talk to the others.

In other words:

1. Election concludes. Brown gets first chance to form coalition.
2. Clegg refuses to form a coalition point blank, on the grounds that he wants to give the Tories a chance to do so.
3. The next chance goes to the Tories; Clegg talks to them.

That's entirely above-board, if slightly wonky-looking.
 
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DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
Gary Whitta said:
I was just thinking that, of the three leaders he's been pretty much invisible.
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Cameron's bitter tears are probably acidic, his face needs major reconstruction work before being seen in public again.
 
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firehawk12

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How do referendums work over there? It seems possible to rig a result if they make it so that every constituency in the country has to vote in favor for a referendum to pass or something similarly impossible.
 
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Mr. Sam

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I personally don't give a shit if Clegg went against convention to negotiate with the Conservatives first. He'd be going against his democratic principles if he didn't first try to work something out with the party with the largest mandate.
 
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killer_clank

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firehawk12 said:
How do referendums work over there? It seems possible to rig a result if they make it so that every constituency in the country has to vote in favor for a referendum to pass or something similarly impossible.
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It's just a straight vote.
 
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avaya

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firehawk12 said:
Ah nice. So as long as 50.1% of the people in the country vote for it, it'll pass? More likely to win with that anyway.
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That means it's literally EVERYONE against the Tories. It will win.
 
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gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
The Labour reach-out was definitely to get the Tories over the hump on vote reform.

Clegg saying 'lasting and stable government', I think means he wants to go in with the Tories on this longer term coalition...but he wants his vote reform compromise.

Now we'll have to see if Clegg will compromise on the referendum, if it'll be enough. My guess is he will agree to it. Unfortunately... (would prefer Lib-Lab, but oh wells).
 
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Souldriver

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God, you guys make the political talks sound so interesting, and the media coverage seems to be non stop too. In Belgium there's more of a "get back to us when you've reach a deal" mentality going on with the public and media. Maybe simplifying here a bit, but it's not at all as awesome to follow as the UKs coalition formation.


However, there is nothing that will top the fall of our government unexpectedly happen at a live broadcast from the Parliament. It happened because of the financial crisis, and it was so totally unexpected (it was supposed to be a quiet day in the Parliament), and everyone was basically running around screaming and looking at their phones with the media chasing them everywhere. Not even the highest politicians had a clue what was going on. To witness that on live television was awesome! :lol
 
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Koshiro

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This is amazing - the Lib Dems are just kicking back and having everything offered up to them. I always vote Lib Dem so this is pretty sweet from my point of view :D
 
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sohois

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avaya said:
That means it's literally EVERYONE against the Tories. It will win.
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You're gonna get plenty of labour against PR, they'll lose a significant chunk of seats as well and they would probably like to maintain the 2 party system just as much as the Tories.
 
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killer_clank

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Souldriver said:
God, you guys make the political talks sound so interesting, and the media coverage seems to be non stop too. In Belgium there's more of a "get back to us when you've reach a deal" mentality going on with the public and media. Maybe simplifying here a bit, but it's not at all as awesome to follow as the UKs coalition formation.


However, there is nothing that will top the fall of our government unexpectedly happen at a live broadcast from the Parliament. It happened because of the financial crisis, and it was so totally unexpected (it was supposed to be a quiet day in the Parliament), and everyone was basically running around screaming and looking at their phones with the media chasing them everywhere. Not even the highest politicians had a clue what was going on. To witness that on live television was awesome! :lol
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To be fair, this never usually happens here so it's just like a constant state of 'WTF!?>'
 
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