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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage

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killer_clank

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Chinner said:
I'll make a new thread later on, but at the moment I feel my exam takes priority:lol .

Anyone have any suggestions on what they want to be included?
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Put all the ministerial jobs in the first post once we have all of them, and some of the main policies of the coalition.
 
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blazinglord

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Chinner said:
I'll make a new thread later on, but at the moment I feel my exam takes priority:lol .

Anyone have any suggestions on what they want to be included?
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I think a non-partisan title would be better than some of the suggestions made here. It's only fair to give the new government a chance, and it has the voting mandate of 59% of the electorate.
 
Jex

Jex

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blazinglord said:
I think a non-partisan title would be better than some of the suggestions made here. It's only fair to give the new government a chance, and it has the voting mandate of 59% of the electorate.
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Call it "Posh fucks team with two-faced, bleeding hearts - Let the disaster begin"
 
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blazinglord

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Jexhius said:
Call it "Posh fucks team with two faced-bleeding hearts"
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*sighs*

I think something like 'things can only get better...' would be better. A wry take on the end of New Labour while cautiously optimistic for the future.
 
Jex

Jex

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blazinglord said:
*sighs*

I think something like 'things can only get better...' would be better. A wry take on the end of New Labour while cautiously optimistic for the future.
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I just think it needs to accurately reflect the populist press.
 
Jex

Jex

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blazinglord said:
I thought Neogaf was more sophisticated than that.
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If we suppose that NeoGaf is a democracy (which it clearly isn't) then we could vote on a ridiculous title. If say, 59% of people agreed that is. Even if that was made up of two groups who agreed on very different titles, but then decided to work together for convenience.
 
dr_octagon

dr_octagon

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Indecent PRoposal accepted as Nick and Dave Con-Dem Country to coalition for make benefit glorious nation of UK

Something along the lines of Brokered Britain

How I Learned to Stop Voting and Love the Coalition
 
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Chinner

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Jexhius said:
If we suppose that NeoGaf is a democracy (which it clearly isn't) then we could vote on a ridiculous title. If say, 59% of people agreed that is. Even if that was made up of two groups who agreed on very different titles, but then decided to work together for convenience.
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We need a swing of 5% to get that kind of figure
 
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SmokyDave

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Chinner said:
I'll make a new thread later on, but at the moment I feel my exam takes priority:lol .

Anyone have any suggestions on what they want to be included?
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Shocking lack of commitment. Take your duties seriously.

I kid, Good Luck!

Edit: I'd go for the UK PoliGAF Thread of Everyone But Labour.
 
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I NEED SCISSORS

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Jexhius said:
If we suppose that NeoGaf is a democracy (which it clearly isn't) then we could vote on a ridiculous title. If say, 59% of people agreed that is.
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NeoGAF's democratic credo was secured when we voted out Denis Dyack.

Anyway, is it wrong to be slightly optimistic for a Lib-Con government after hearing about all the Conservative sacrifices and Clegg's speech? They say the silver tongue is the mark of a lier, but I dunno man... he painted a pretty rosey picture.
 
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Xavien

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Personally i'd go for a non-partisan title, something along the lines of:

UK PoliGAF thread of Conservative Democrat Future

or whatever.
 
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goomba

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These sort of coalitions can work for individual parties because when unpopular policies arise, they don't have to take full responsibility for them, they argue it was a compromise for the other party in power.
 
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J Tourettes

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iapetus said:
A fucking Tory was getting into number 10 anyway, owing to the fact that a coalition with Labour was unworkable (and unsustainable) and if the Lib Dems didn't actively support the Conservatives, they'd be forming a minority government now, and when the inevitable happened and another election was called, there's every chance they'd have ended up with a majority - largely through cannibalising the Lib Dem vote.

A strong Lib Dem coalition with the Conservatives allows them to temper the more ridiculous Tory policies - you can see a whole host of the ones they've already dropped in the news today. It also allows them to get Lib Dem policies in place, and likewise you can see a number of those in the news today. No increase in the inheritance tax level? A fully elected House of Lords with a true PR system? How the hell is that a bad thing?

It's also the only situation short of a Labour-Conservative coalition that gives a stable government at a time when having a stable government is probably the single most important thing we need. There are a whole load of tough and unpopular changes that need to be pushed through right now as a result of the state the country (and the world) is in, and though the Tories wouldn't be my first (or second) choice of parties to do it, I'd rather have them doing it than nobody.



A minority government would be a disaster for the country right now IMO, given how difficult the cuts we need to make are going to be. Both the Conservatives and the Lib Dems are taking hits politically by agreeing to things that a lot of their supporters may not like in order to get a stable government in place. Obviously they're gambling on being able to sort things out quickly enough that the electorate can see what they've accomplished when it comes to go to the polls in five years...
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Dambrosi

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UK PoliGAF Thread of NEVER VOTING LIB-DEM EVER AGAIN AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGH

OK, OK, I kid. How about:

UK PoliGAF Thread of Dave New World Getting A Clegg-Up

UK PoliGAF Thread of Vote For One Get One Free Sale

UK PoliGAF Thread of Heaven Or Hell? Let's Rock!

UK PoliGAF Thread of Westminstur's Gate: Dark Alliance

UK PoliGAF Thread of The Humble Lib-Con Fumble

UK PoliGAF Thread of An Alliance Forged In Hell, Rising To Heaven...?
 
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Parl

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travisbickle said:
UK PoliGAF Thread of another unelected PM in Downing Street and a two-faced shyster Deputy.
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UK PoliGAF Thread of the 76th Prime Minister we didn't vote for.

Empty said:
UK PoliGAF Thread of Dave and Nick agreeing
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UK PoliGAF Thread of Dave agrees with Nick.
 
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SmokyDave

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travisbickle said:
UK PoliGAF Thread of another unelected PM in Downing Street and a two-faced shyster Deputy.
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Yeah. Damned right. I voted Brian Blessed for PM and the woman at the polling station looked at me like I'd gone nuts. She told me I had to vote for a party. I'm down with corn snacks and carbonated soft drinks as much as the next man but this is election time. Time to choose a PM, not time to worry about parties!

I voted for a party in the end. I assume my invite will arrive in the mail now we've decided on the hosts.

Edit: Just noticed you're parroting the Sun. I think richisawesome has fucked with the calibration on my sarcasm detector.
 
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freethought

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iapetus said:
It's also the only situation short of a Labour-Conservative coalition that gives a stable government at a time when having a stable government is probably the single most important thing we need. There are a whole load of tough and unpopular changes that need to be pushed through right now as a result of the state the country (and the world) is in, and though the Tories wouldn't be my first (or second) choice of parties to do it, I'd rather have them doing it than nobody.
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What are these unpopular decisions you're talking about? Do you mean cuts? I didn't realise you voted Tory.
 
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iapetus

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freethought said:
What are these unpopular decisions you're talking about? Do you mean cuts? I didn't realise you voted Tory.
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Yes, I mean cuts. All parties agree that they need to be made. All parties understated their scope in campaigning, because they're electoral poison.

I didn't vote Tory - I voted Lib Dem. Given my choice, we'd have a majority Lib Dem government now. Given how the votes fell, a Lib Dem/Conservative coalition strikes me as the best option we've got right now as a country, though.
 
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Veidt

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UK PoliGAF Thread of Lib Dems just shot themselves in the foot. I don't know how much you know about British Culture (I'm an expert).
 
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PJV3

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1150We understand that under the new agreement for fixed-term parliaments, the only way to remove the government between elections would be a vote of no confidence with the support of 55% of MPs. At present, any no confidence vote requires only 50%, plus one MP.

This is an odd one, how could a government carry on if say 53% vote that way.
It changes the whole idea of the Prime minister having the support of the house.
 
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Parl

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Veidt said:
UK PoliGAF Thread of Lib Dems just shot themselves in the foot. I don't know how much you know about British Culture (I'm an expert).
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:D

UK PoliGAF Thread of the Sky is the limit for BBC shares.

UK PoliGAF Thread of SamCam pregnant! David getting Clegg over.
 
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iapetus

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So, a simple question for all the people bitching and whining about the Lib Dems teaming up with the Conservatives: what should they have done instead?

The obvious options are:

1) Put more work into creating a doomed minority coalition consisting of everyone except for the Conservatives, which wouldn't have worked because of how many Labour MPs were against it and wouldn't have gained them much (anything) in the way of policy concessions.

2) Force an immediate re-run of the election by refusing to side with anyone.

3) Push the Conservatives into a powerless and ineffectual minority government, possibly switching to plan 2 above at some point in the near future.

Which of these do you think is in the best interests of the country? I'm intrigued to hear your answer...
 
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iapetus

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PJV3 said:
1150We understand that under the new agreement for fixed-term parliaments, the only way to remove the government between elections would be a vote of no confidence with the support of 55% of MPs. At present, any no confidence vote requires only 50%, plus one MP.

This is an odd one, how could a government carry on if say 53% vote that way.
It changes the whole idea of the Prime minister having the support of the house.
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Yeah, that seems kind of fucked up. The PM could stay in power, but if the 50% plus one chose to vote against his government on everything, they couldn't actually govern.
 
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Veidt

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dr_octagon said:
UK PoliGAF Thread of you'll be deported soon.

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UK PoliGAF Thread of I have freedom of movement and work under the EEA Treaty. This would be a declaration of war!!!
 
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SmokyDave

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iapetus said:
So, a simple question for all the people bitching and whining about the Lib Dems teaming up with the Conservatives: what should they have done instead?

The obvious options are:

1) Put more work into creating a doomed minority coalition consisting of everyone except for the Conservatives, which wouldn't have worked because of how many Labour MPs were against it and wouldn't have gained them much (anything) in the way of policy concessions.

2) Force an immediate re-run of the election by refusing to side with anyone.

3) Push the Conservatives into a powerless and ineffectual minority government, possibly switching to plan 2 above at some point in the near future.

Which of these do you think is in the best interests of the country? I'm intrigued to hear your answer...
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Plans 2 & 3 would just result in a Conservative majority government anyway.

I'm quite happy with the alliance, I think having 'Liberals' and 'Conservatives' on the same side could be quite interesting and ultimately beneficial.
 
phisheep

phisheep

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PJV3 said:
1150We understand that under the new agreement for fixed-term parliaments, the only way to remove the government between elections would be a vote of no confidence with the support of 55% of MPs. At present, any no confidence vote requires only 50%, plus one MP.

This is an odd one, how could a government carry on if say 53% vote that way.
It changes the whole idea of the Prime minister having the support of the house.
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I'm not sure they can actually do this. It is all wrapped up in Parliamentary conventions and suchlike, but constitutionally whether someone commands the support of the Commons is (IIRC) a matter for the Queen.

I shall have to dig out my legal hat and have a little rummage.
 
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freethought

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iapetus said:
Yes, I mean cuts. All parties agree that they need to be made. All parties understated their scope in campaigning, because they're electoral poison.

I didn't vote Tory - I voted Lib Dem. Given my choice, we'd have a majority Lib Dem government now. Given how the votes fell, a Lib Dem/Conservative coalition strikes me as the best option we've got right now as a country, though.
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All parties did agree to cuts, but not this year as you're suggesting. That's why I asked if you voted Tory given your belief that cuts are necessary this year, they were the only party pledging them.

Scope=/=timing
 
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Walshicus

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iapetus said:
Yeah, that seems kind of fucked up. The PM could stay in power, but if the 50% plus one chose to vote against his government on everything, they couldn't actually govern.
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It's done quite well in Scotland.
 
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Veidt

Blasphemer who refuses to accept bagged milk as his personal savior
iapetus said:
So, a simple question for all the people bitching and whining about the Lib Dems teaming up with the Conservatives: what should they have done instead?

The obvious options are:

1) Put more work into creating a doomed minority coalition consisting of everyone except for the Conservatives, which wouldn't have worked because of how many Labour MPs were against it and wouldn't have gained them much (anything) in the way of policy concessions.

2) Force an immediate re-run of the election by refusing to side with anyone.

3) Push the Conservatives into a powerless and ineffectual minority government, possibly switching to plan 2 above at some point in the near future.

Which of these do you think is in the best interests of the country? I'm intrigued to hear your answer...
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This is honestly the best outcome we could have hoped for (second to a Lib Dem majority) considering the long term. Just waiting for Labour to get their shit together in time for the next election.
 
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mclem

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Parl said:
Is there going to be PMQs today?
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A thought: if the PM isn't available, isn't the role of answering PMQs given to the deputy PM?

In other words, will Nick Clegg at some point face PMQs himself? That'll test him!
 
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mclem

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Xavien said:
Oh god thats amazing, finally the unelected second house will end, though i cant see the lords there being happy. Lord Mandleson will never ever get voted in or Lord Ashcroft for that matter :lol
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Well, if it's using PR, then they *will*; *who* gets in is up to the whim of the party, not the electorate.

Mmm. 35 major donors, only 30 Lords seats. Who do you spurn? And will they no longer be a major donor after that?
 
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