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UK PoliGAF: General election thread of LibCon Coalitionage

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Kowak

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Dark Machine said:
Boris is awesome, I don't care what anyone says or thinks, he's a really great guy. And I say that as a Tory-hating Northerner. :D

everyone loves him, I think its because he has that "guy you would like to hang out with" quality. There are not many politicians you can say that about.
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
Kowak said:
everyone loves him, I think its because he has that "guy you would like to hang out with" quality. There are not many politicians you can say that about.

I think the word you are looking for is 'human' ;)
 
Kowak said:
everyone loves him, I think its because he has that "guy you would like to hang out with" quality. There are not many politicians you can say that about.

I like him because after he insulted us Scousers over Hillsborough in a throwaway interview comment, he had the bollocks to come up to Liverpool, meet the Hillsborough Families and Support Group and issue an unconditional apology, which was accepted and gave the matter closure. And I applauded him for that, as did the local papers, because he actually did it, rather than just ignore it or offer platitudes from London until the matter was forgotten.

In that way I understood that he's a genuinely nice person, a bit rough and silly, but a nice person. I think so at least.
 
I NEED SCISSORS said:
I did after looking into it more.

The Germans are a prosperous and highly efficient people. They pulled out of the post-war depression and went on to become a very successful country, simply because that is their nature.
This is ignorant stereotyping.
 

Mr. Sam

Member
Mr Clegg is temporarily distracted by rows of bare-breasted Pirelli calendar models staring from the wall of the restaurant.

I'm sorry, what?

Interesting little fact that I read in The Independent yesterday - The Daily Mail has the most Liberal Democrat-supporting readers of any newspaper.
 

SmokyDave

Member
Mr. Sam said:
I'm sorry, what?

Interesting little fact that I read in The Independent yesterday - The Daily Mail has the most Liberal Democrat-supporting readers of any newspaper.
I read that and found myself a wee bit skeptical. Does that mean that the Mail don't know their market or that they do know their market and enjoy winding them up?
 
SmokyDave said:
I read that and found myself a wee bit skeptical. Does that mean that the Mail don't know their market or that they do know their market and enjoy winding them up?

Or that most of the Mail's readers see the paper as a form of satire? I've got to be honest, the Daily Mail have managed to crack me up a fair few times during this election so maybe they're the smart ones afterall! :lol
 
SmokyDave said:
I read that and found myself a wee bit skeptical. Does that mean that the Mail don't know their market or that they do know their market and enjoy winding them up?

A little from column A and a little from column B :D
 
Anyone been to their local count before? My local LD candidate has asked me to go, wondering what to expect. My constituency usually are the first to announce their result so there'll be plenty of cameras and whatnot.
 
brain_stew said:
Anyone been to their local count before? My local LD candidate has asked me to go, wondering what to expect. My constituency usually are the first to announce their result so there'll be plenty of cameras and whatnot.

It's like WrestleMania! Take a carboard sign saying 'NeoGAF got the Lib Dems into office!' and hold it up when they win there. :D
 
Dark Machine said:
It's like WrestleMania! Take a carboard sign saying 'NeoGAF got the Lib Dems into office!' and hold it up when they win there. :D

:lol

Well the Lib Dems won't be winning this seat (its hardcore Labour territory) but if they can beat the Tories into second place I'll be happy. I was actually considering doing some sly tip off to NeoGAF if I go. Like I say, Sunderland usually declare their result first so the cameras will be there around 10PM and if you guys see someone holding a yellow "Lib Dems: Believe" poster up, you know its me! :lol
 

Empty

Member
Mr. Sam said:
I'm sorry, what?

Interesting little fact that I read in The Independent yesterday - The Daily Mail has the most Liberal Democrat-supporting readers of any newspaper.

It has long been my theory that Fox News partially has such high viewership because loads of liberals watch it looking to be annoyed - maybe the same effect is taking place here, or it could be that many people read the Mail for sport or fashion or whatever other non-newsy stuff they do.
 

Chinner

Banned
SmokyDave said:
I read that and found myself a wee bit skeptical. Does that mean that the Mail don't know their market or that they do know their market and enjoy winding them up?
how did you get that tag bro?
 
Empty said:
It has long been my theory that Fox News partially has such high viewership because loads of liberals watch it looking to be annoyed - maybe the same effect is taking place here, or it could be that many people read the Mail for sport or fashion or whatever other non-newsy stuff they do.

I personally used to do both. Nothing like a healthy dose of rage to get the day started. I had to stop when I nearly had a rage stroke after reading one too many of Simon Heffer's column though.
 

iapetus

Scary Euro Man
Kowak said:
everyone loves him, I think its because he has that "guy you would like to hang out with" quality. There are not many politicians you can say that about.

It's almost exactly what they said about Bush, and that worked well.
 
Empty said:
It has long been my theory that Fox News partially has such high viewership because loads of liberals watch it looking to be annoyed - maybe the same effect is taking place here, or it could be that many people read the Mail for sport or fashion or whatever other non-newsy stuff they do.

My parents are as liberal as they come, but they buy the Mail every weekend without fail mainly because of their "Weekend" TV supplement (which admittedly, is quite good).

I've tried to make them stop buying it / funding them, but they can't seem to resist.
 

Dambrosi

Banned
iapetus said:
It's almost exactly what they said about Bush, and that worked well.
Oh come on, that's a bit insulting to Boris, isn't it? He's not stupid :lol Wait, he's a Tory, but that doesn't make him stupid, just soulless :lol

Still, as mentioned above, Boris actually has balls.
 

SmokyDave

Member
Empty said:
It has long been my theory that Fox News partially has such high viewership because loads of liberals watch it looking to be annoyed - maybe the same effect is taking place here, or it could be that many people read the Mail for sport or fashion or whatever other non-newsy stuff they do.
You might be on to something there. It's the first paper I check in the morning because it's by far the most entertaining. I'm not looking to be annoyed but I am hoping to be amused.

Chinner said:
how did you get that tag bro?
I have no idea. Didn't notice it last night but it was there this morning. Love a bit of Python so it's cool by me :D
 

Chinner

Banned
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Met my Lib Dem PPC last night, nice guy and did well in the interview. Mentioned the digital economy act, which was good to hear about.

Tonight get to meet the Conservative guy... should be interesting. He's got a fair shot of winning Lincoln, it's flipped lab/con with whichever government it is for the last 46 years or so. I suspect he'll have a good grilling.

Looking forward to the Labour one most, as she's the outgoing MP, paid back £6k after expenses, and voted for the DEB.
 

Chinner

Banned
Christian Party manifesto lol
* a proposed referendum on the reinstitution of the death penalty for severe crimes, where two or three witnesses were present at the crime scene and forensic science confirms involvement.
* legislation to ban abortion.
* increased taxation on alcohol and tobacco.
* initiatives to bring personal responsibility to bear upon "self-inflicted disease" (such as alcoholism).
* Zero tolerance on drug possession.
* curfews for under 11 year olds, with mandatory intervention of child protection agencies in relation to any child 10 years or younger that is found unaccompanied on the street after 9:00pm.
* the reintroduction of the right of teachers to use corporal punishment in extreme circumstances.
* greater observance of a weekly day of rest (Sunday).
* limits around coastlines to preserve stocks of fish and sand eels.
* promotion in school of chastity before marriage.
* re-instatement of Section 2A (also known as Section 28), a law to guard against the promotion of homosexuality.
* the re-introduction of corporate readings from the Bible in all Scottish state schools.
* provision of Christian religious education on a mandatory basis, with no obligation to promote other faiths, regardless of the wishes of those being instructed or their parents. There currently exists a level of compulsory Christian observance in all British schools[7],[8][9] so these policies are calling for this to be increased.
* a science curriculum which should "reflect the evidence of creation/design" in the universe (see Creation-evolution controversy).
* public health campaigns to discourage homosexuality alongside excessive drinking and the use of addictive substances, whilst maintaining "God loves and we should love" such individuals.
* the restoration of the right for parents to smack their children (as with prayer, this currently exists and the policy is a call for an increase).
* "Mind Pollution Levy" on 18 Certificate Films, DVDs, CDs, Video Games and Top Shelf magazines.
* a re-establishment of the principle of the innocent party in a divorce being acknowledged in any divorce settlement.
* discouragement of the practice of addressing women as Ms..
* opposition of the practice of altering birth certificates to reflect gender confirmation surgery.
* promotion of Biblical alternatives to the current criminal justice system, including emphasis on the role of witnesses over forensic evidence.
* that Mechanical Copyright Protection enjoyed by songwriters should be extended to featured recording artists and record producers.
* that a minimum royalty percentage (the level of which should be decided through consultation with the music industry) should be paid to featured recording artists and producers on exactly the same basis as is currently paid to songwriters.
* Total privatisation of public assets, including the NHS and the public schools. Job cuts in the public health sector. All immigrants will be required to be covered by private health insurance.

And their General Election 2010 Party broadcast:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...stian_Party_General_Election_2010_21_04_2010/
i fear that smokeydave will agree with them...
 

SmokyDave

Member
I actually do agree with them on these....

* a proposed referendum on the reinstitution of the death penalty for severe crimes, where two or three witnesses were present at the crime scene and forensic science confirms involvement.
* curfews for under 11 year olds, with mandatory intervention of child protection agencies in relation to any child 10 years or younger that is found unaccompanied on the street after 9:00pm.
* the reintroduction of the right of teachers to use corporal punishment in extreme circumstances.
* greater observance of a weekly day of rest (Sunday).
* limits around coastlines to preserve stocks of fish and sand eels.
* the restoration of the right for parents to smack their children (as with prayer, this currently exists and the policy is a call for an increase).

And I love this idea, but purely for the absurdity...

* promotion of Biblical alternatives to the current criminal justice system, including emphasis on the role of witnesses over forensic evidence.
 

Shanadeus

Banned
Chinner said:
*a proposed referendum on the reinstitution of the death penalty for severe crimes, where two or three witnesses were present at the crime scene and forensic science confirms involvement.
* legislation to ban abortion.
* increased taxation on alcohol and tobacco.

* initiatives to bring personal responsibility to bear upon "self-inflicted disease" (such as alcoholism).
* Zero tolerance on drug possession.
* curfews for under 11 year olds, with mandatory intervention of child protection agencies in relation to any child 10 years or younger that is found unaccompanied on the street after 9:00pm.
* the reintroduction of the right of teachers to use corporal punishment in extreme circumstances.
* greater observance of a weekly day of rest (Sunday).
* limits around coastlines to preserve stocks of fish and sand eels.
* promotion in school of chastity before marriage.
* re-instatement of Section 2A (also known as Section 28), a law to guard against the promotion of homosexuality.
* the re-introduction of corporate readings from the Bible in all Scottish state schools.
* provision of Christian religious education on a mandatory basis, with no obligation to promote other faiths, regardless of the wishes of those being instructed or their parents. There currently exists a level of compulsory Christian observance in all British schools[7],[8][9] so these policies are calling for this to be increased.
* a science curriculum which should "reflect the evidence of creation/design" in the universe (see Creation-evolution controversy).
* public health campaigns to discourage homosexuality alongside excessive drinking and the use of addictive substances, whilst maintaining "God loves and we should love" such individuals.
* the restoration of the right for parents to smack their children (as with prayer, this currently exists and the policy is a call for an increase).
* "Mind Pollution Levy" on 18 Certificate Films, DVDs, CDs, Video Games and Top Shelf magazines.
* a re-establishment of the principle of the innocent party in a divorce being acknowledged in any divorce settlement.
* discouragement of the practice of addressing women as Ms..
* opposition of the practice of altering birth certificates to reflect gender confirmation surgery.
* promotion of Biblical alternatives to the current criminal justice system, including emphasis on the role of witnesses over forensic evidence.
* that Mechanical Copyright Protection enjoyed by songwriters should be extended to featured recording artists and record producers.
* that a minimum royalty percentage (the level of which should be decided through consultation with the music industry) should be paid to featured recording artists and producers on exactly the same basis as is currently paid to songwriters.
* Total privatisation of public assets, including the NHS and the public schools. Job cuts in the public health sector. All immigrants will be required to be covered by private health insurance.
I was going to bold the parts I found objectionable first but it all sound horrible.
The bolded part is the only thing I miiiight get behind.
EDIT: added coastline protection too.
 

Chinner

Banned
SmokyDave said:
I actually do agree with them on these....

* a proposed referendum on the reinstitution of the death penalty for severe crimes, where two or three witnesses were present at the crime scene and forensic science confirms involvement.
* curfews for under 11 year olds, with mandatory intervention of child protection agencies in relation to any child 10 years or younger that is found unaccompanied on the street after 9:00pm.
* the reintroduction of the right of teachers to use corporal punishment in extreme circumstances.
* greater observance of a weekly day of rest (Sunday).
* limits around coastlines to preserve stocks of fish and sand eels.
* the restoration of the right for parents to smack their children (as with prayer, this currently exists and the policy is a call for an increase).

And I love this idea, but purely for the absurdity...

* promotion of Biblical alternatives to the current criminal justice system, including emphasis on the role of witnesses over forensic evidence.
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SmokyDave

Member
Chinner said:
Sorry dude, I'm all about the discipline.

I love these two side by side...

* a proposed referendum on the reinstitution of the death penalty for severe crimes, where two or three witnesses were present at the crime scene and forensic science confirms involvement.

* promotion of Biblical alternatives to the current criminal justice system, including emphasis on the role of witnesses over forensic evidence.

There's nothing technically wrong there but even so.
 

jorma

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* increased taxation on alcohol and tobacco.

* Zero tolerance on drug possession.

Lol. "We are not going to tolerate it, but we'll tax it all the same"
 

jorma

is now taking requests
Sir Fragula said:
Death penalty doesn't seem very Christian...

It's christian enough, though they'd need a toddler present at all executions so that someone could cast the first stone.
 

Enosh

Member
* a proposed referendum on the reinstitution of the death penalty for severe crimes, where two or three witnesses were present at the crime scene and forensic science confirms involvement.
* increased taxation on alcohol and tobacco.
* the reintroduction of the right of teachers to use corporal punishment in extreme circumstances.

yeah, I would agree with the first 2 and as a future teacher the third one sounds tempting :lol
 

Dambrosi

Banned
NekoFever said:
Read the Old Testament.
Old Testament doesn't count anymore since Jesus allegedly died, does it? Wasn't that the whole point of his "ultimate sacrifice" in the first place?
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it is just a myth, so none of it really matters :D

Speaking of which, I'm pretty sure Jesus would have opposed these guys on principle. Dude seemed pretty socialist, while these guys...hmm. :lol
 

Shanadeus

Banned
SmokyDave said:
Sorry dude, I'm all about the discipline.

I love these two side by side...

* a proposed referendum on the reinstitution of the death penalty for severe crimes, where two or three witnesses were present at the crime scene and forensic science confirms involvement.

* promotion of Biblical alternatives to the current criminal justice system, including emphasis on the role of witnesses over forensic evidence.

There's nothing technically wrong there but even so.
You mean aside from witnesses being unreliable as hell?
 

Chinner

Banned
IFS has released a pretty strong statement, with some pretty strong comparisons:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/apr/27/thinktank-spending-cuts-election
"Over the next four years starting next year (2011-12), Labour and the Liberal Democrats would need to deliver the deepest sustained cuts to spending on public services since the late 1970s", said Robert Chote, the IFS director. "While starting this year, the Conservatives would need to deliver cuts to public spending on public services that have not been delivered over any five-year period since the Second World War."
Holy shit. Tougher than Thatcher indeed.
The IFS said after taking into account pledges to ring-fence parts of public spending such as the NHS and overseas aid, the Conservatives would need to axe the budgets of unprotected Whitehall departments by £63.7bn in inflation-adjusted terms by 2014-15. Of these, only 17.7% had so far been specified.
I'm pretty sure the Tories can accomplish this with efficiency cuts, right Linkified?
Similarly, Labour had announced measures totalling just 13.3% of what it would need to slash spending by £50.8bn and the Liberal Democrats 25.9% of the £46.5bn they would need to save in order to meet their deficit reduction goals.
Even the Lib Dems aint perfect, but at least they're more detailed than the other two.
The IFS said that all parties were committed to a fiscal tightening worth £71bn in today's terms, or 4.8% of fiscal output. Labour planned to do so with a ratio of 2:1 between spending cuts and tax increases, the Lib Dems 2.5:1 and the Conservatives 4:1.
Lib Dems in the middle, Tories out in the distance somewhere.
 

Enosh

Member
Dambrosi said:
Old Testament doesn't count anymore since Jesus allegedly died, does it? Wasn't that the whole point of his "ultimate sacrifice" in the first place?
depends who you ask
 
I NEED SCISSORS said:
But... to offer a more simple explanation of why I didn't like the article: I felt that it was an inappropriate article to make in today's day and age.

It's a perfect article for the 21st century. Shows how at least some politicians are living in the present, and not in the past.
 

Kowak

Banned
Christian party had my vote until

* "Mind Pollution Levy" on 18 Certificate Films, DVDs, CDs, Video Games and Top Shelf magazines.

as the majority of media I buy is over 18, that will crush my wallet.
 

Raydeen

Member
Empty said:
linkified's dream government :

Massive tax breaks for the gaming industry
Queen to step in and appoint a UKIP/Lib-dem coalition, with Farage as leader.
Taxation relief to help protect the games industry
Leave the EU, because of those damn unelected bureaucrats inflicting policy on us
Hand over complete control of the economy to unelected bureaucrats in the Bank of England
Get rid of immigrants to protect our essential culture, such as the unique design of our banknotes
Pro-active steps to support the gaming industry, such as using tax breaks
All young (attractive) women sized 6-10 to be forced to wear short skirts and black/white hold ups or stockings during warm weather

do i have that right?

Yep
 
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