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[CyclopsRock]

That doesn't make sense - the threshold is determined by the percentage of MPs for an open contest (20%) and the percentage of [MPs + MEPs] for a challenge (15%). If the number of MPs is reduced, the number of MPs required for a nomination is reduced.

Sure, but it all goes down proportionally. We know that a bunch of the MPs that backed Corbyn initially only did so to bolster their credentials, not because they actually thought or wanted him to become leader. Perhaps I'm being optimistic in assuming they'll have learnt their lesson, but I think the point is that the same proportion of MPs wouldn't make the same mistake twice.

 

[Jezbollah]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-nutter-theresa-may-lightweight-a7427676.html

He's baaaaaack...

 

[anonymous_abc]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-nutter-theresa-may-lightweight-a7427676.html

He's baaaaaack...

I can think of worse things to happen in UK politics these days...


Well that video in the I is rather pointless....

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Sure, but it all goes down proportionally. We know that a bunch of the MPs that backed Corbyn initially only did so to bolster their credentials, not because they actually thought or wanted him to become leader. Perhaps I'm being optimistic in assuming they'll have learnt their lesson, but I think the point is that the same proportion of MPs wouldn't make the same mistake twice.

That's true regardless of how many Labour MPs there are, though. Which is why I think the article is wrong - Corbynites as leaders is now almost immune to the party's successes or failures, at least for the PLP. Depends on how Labour members react to those successes or failures now.

 

[CyclopsRock]

That's true regardless of how many Labour MPs there are, though. Which is why I think the article is wrong - Corbynites as leaders is now almost immune to the party's successes or failures, at least for the PLP. Depends on how Labour members react to those successes or failures now.

But that doesn't help them function as an opposition. Yeah they're in the leadership positions but if there's a snap election, Corbyn retires and we get a Smith'ite (hohohoho) leading a mostly non-Corbynite PLP, that's clearly not good for the Corbynites even if they do still control the NEC.

 

[Jezbollah]

The UKIP saga continues, Diane James quits the party.

 

[Empty]

"Ask me my three main priorities for government, and I tell you: education, education, education."

vs

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/800779565119336449

 

[CyclopsRock]

"Ask me my three main priorities for government, and I tell you: education, education, education."

vs



https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/800779565119336449

I love big data.

 

[Maledict]

My favourite was:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxy6pLwWQAAlr19.jpg:large

"Labour is setting out the paths to a better alternative that's about good intervention. In fact, it's intervention for the common good"

What the holy fuck does that mean?

 

[CyclopsRock]

I think it means he's gonna shock and awe the NHS black hole deficit.

 

[RedShift]

"Ask me my three main priorities for government, and I tell you: education, education, education."

vs



https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/800779565119336449

*screams internally*

 

[Jezbollah]

Thomas Mair has been found guilty of the murder of MP Jo Cox.

 

[Zaph]

[BBC] Proof of ID may be needed for NHS care, says health chief

Patients may have to show two forms of identification to get some NHS care, the senior civil servant at the Department of Health has said.

Chris Wormald told a Commons committee it was a controversial move but already happened in some NHS trusts.

The NHS has "a lot further to go" in reclaiming money for treating foreign visitors, he said.

Committee chairwoman Meg Hillier raised concerns that some British residents might not have passports or other ID.

Head of the BMA council Dr Mark Porter said the discussions were a distraction given that so-called health tourism was "such a small problem" for the NHS.

NHS Trusts in England are legally obliged to check whether patients are eligible for free non-emergency NHS treatment and to recover any costs from overseas patients.

But this does not always happen.

Looks like they found another way to stick it to the poor under the guise of cracking down on the bloody foreigners milking our great nation for all its worth.

 

[Jezbollah]

I don't see the issue with this on principle, but practically it needs further thought. Passports shouldn't be used - many don't have one, and if this is used then there's nothing stopping British nationals from overseas from receiving treatment.

Every citizen of this country, plus those who nationalise here are given national insurance numbers, this is probably a better option along with proof of ID/address. Given that you need this to buy a TV, then it shouldn't be an issue for healthcare.

Additionally, saying "such a small problem" doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed, given NHS funding as it currently stands IMO.

 

[AntiFacebook]

Thomas Mair has been found guilty of the murder of MP Jo Cox.

I hope that as soon as UK leaves the european union, death punishment would be reinstated, and he will get it.
I'm usually opposed to death punishment, but this would be poetic justice, as the european union forbids it, and he commited the murder in the name of the brexit.

 

[*Splinter]

I don't see the issue with this on principle, but practically it needs further thought. Passports shouldn't be used - many don't have one, and if this is used then there's nothing stopping British nationals from overseas from receiving treatment.

Every citizen of this country, plus those who nationalise here are given national insurance numbers, this is probably a better option along with proof of ID/address. Given that you need this to buy a TV, then it shouldn't be an issue for healthcare.

Additionally, saying "such a small problem" doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed, given NHS funding as it currently stands IMO.

I would argue that healthcare is somewhat more important than being able to buy a TV...

 

[FlammableD]

I hope that as soon as UK leaves the european union, death punishment would be reinstated, and he will get it.
I'm usually opposed to death punishment, but this would be poetic justice, as the european union forbids it, and he commited the murder in the name of the brexit.

yeah let's not

 

[Moosichu]

I hope that as soon as UK leaves the european union, death punishment would be reinstated, and he will get it.
I'm usually opposed to death punishment, but this would be poetic justice, as the european union forbids it, and he commited the murder in the name of the brexit.

How 'bout no.

In other news, the country's debt is expected to increase by 220 billion pounds by the end of parliament according to the OBR.

The only reason it isn't way bigger, is because the OBR isn't expecting immigration levels to decrease much. So yeah, we really are a country that is playing itself.

 

[anonymous_abc]

I hope that as soon as UK leaves the european union, death punishment would be reinstated, and he will get it.
I'm usually opposed to death punishment, but this would be poetic justice, as the european union forbids it, and he commited the murder in the name of the brexit.

Better to not make exceptions to civil liberties...

 

[CyclopsRock]

I would argue that healthcare is somewhat more important than being able to buy a TV...

Right, but is it considered an overburdensome requirement? I mean, this is for non emergency stuff.

Anyone know how they calculate the level of health tourism? I mean, in theory it shouldn't happened so how do they know when it is, without stopping it?

 

[Moosichu]

I don't see the issue with this on principle, but practically it needs further thought. Passports shouldn't be used - many don't have one, and if this is used then there's nothing stopping British nationals from overseas from receiving treatment.

Every citizen of this country, plus those who nationalise here are given national insurance numbers, this is probably a better option along with proof of ID/address. Given that you need this to buy a TV, then it shouldn't be an issue for healthcare.

Additionally, saying "such a small problem" doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed, given NHS funding as it currently stands IMO.

"Health Tourism" is not why the NHS failing, and is barely having an impact on it at all. It does have a net positive effect on the economy though so there is not reason to burden people with having to present proof of ID.

 

[Coriolanus]

Well, finally some teeth in pmq's. Wonder if he'll keep that up, borderline irrelevant though it may be.

 

[Jezbollah]

"Health Tourism" is not why the NHS failing, and is barely having an impact on it at all. It does have a net positive effect on the economy though so there is not reason to burden people with having to present proof of ID.

Personally speaking, I'd like to see some hard stats on the impact of the current situation, because I don't personally believe people come from far and wide to use our health services.

My spidey senses are that there is some kind of traction in all this - the fact it's being talked about and that members of the opposition are not jumping up and coming out against speaks volumes. That could also be due to the other bigger issues (messes).

 

[Mr. Sam]

I don't even know what the opposition does jump up and down about these days. Even Labour's far left, i.e. its leadership, seems to pick things at almost random, though I suppose that's hardly surprising.

 

[Jezbollah]

I don't even know what the opposition does jump up and down about these days. Even Labour's far left, i.e. its leadership, seems to pick things at almost random, though I suppose that's hardly surprising.

I think they are largely an ineffective entity, sadly. Certainly when it comes to Labour.

 

[31GhostsIV]

Just leaving this here:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/173199

This surveillance shit has got to go.

The lack of media coverage for this is quite frankly disturbing.

 

[Coriolanus]

given how all-encompassing the surveillance is, and how many agencies will have access to the info, that thing will last for about as long as it takes for someone to leak some representative's tastes in porn.

 

[Moosichu]

given how all-encompassing the surveillance is, and how many agencies will have access to the info, that thing will last for about as long as it takes for someone to leak some representative's tastes in porn.

iirc, MPs are exempt from snooping.

 

[31GhostsIV]

iirc, MPs are exempt from snooping.

Of course they are.

 

[nekkid]

Just leaving this here:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/173199

This surveillance shit has got to go.

The lack of media coverage for this is quite frankly disturbing.

Signed. Will share this out.

 

[Roberto Larcos]

iirc, MPs are exempt from snooping.

But not before they become MPs...

How many of the potential opposition politicians will have their careers ended before they begin, through tactical 'leaks' of porn habits to major newspapers? We're losing freedom of thought and expression, and it's utterly terrifying that no-one gives a shit. I hate this country.

 

[Mindwipe]

Every citizen of this country, plus those who nationalise here are given national insurance numbers, this is probably a better option along with proof of ID/address. Given that you need this to buy a TV, then it shouldn't be an issue for healthcare.

You were never required to give NI to buy a TV, not proof of address. You were required to tell a shop your name and address for TV licensing, but you could make it up.

More importantly that requirement was scrapped three years ago, because it cost far more to implement than any revenue it got back.

 

[Xun]

I've honestly given up on Labour at this point.

I admire Corbyn and where he stands, but he can't properly lead the party. They've also clearly not changed enough when it comes to civil liberties.

What a fucking joke.

 

[31GhostsIV]

I've honestly given up on Labour at this point.

I admire Corbyn and where he stands, but he can't properly lead the party. They've also clearly not changed enough when it comes to civil liberties.

What a fucking joke.

But don't worry, Tony Blair is coming back to save politics! /s

 

[gutter_trash]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-nutter-theresa-may-lightweight-a7427676.html

He's baaaaaack...

good, Corbyn would award May a decade of Tory rule

 

[Moosichu]

I've honestly given up on Labour at this point.

I admire Corbyn and where he stands, but he can't properly lead the party. They've also clearly not changed enough when it comes to civil liberties.

What a fucking joke.

Agreed.

Spoiler

What about cyber physical systems and smart factories? /s

 

[Royal_Phalanx]

Going to join the Lib Dems, not expecting any positive political change however so one day I will try to leave the country. Not now though. Nowhere near ready. Until that day comes I will fight for a better life for everyone here. Pretty clear that the dominant values of this country don't fit my own, however, so I feel this is one of the several good reasons to leave in my view. Hopefully I can get a job in the EU within the next 2 years, though I very much doubt that.

 

[Roberto Larcos]

Going to join the Lib Dems, not expecting any positive political change however so one day I will try to leave the country. Not now though. Nowhere near ready. Until that day comes I will fight for a better life for everyone here. Pretty clear that the dominant values of this country don't fit my own, however, so I feel this is one of the several good reasons to leave in my view. Hopefully I can get a job in the EU within the next 2 years, though I very much doubt that.

One of us, one of us....

And a job in Ireland really isn't that farfetched.

 

[linkandzelda]

I've honestly given up on Labour at this point.

I admire Corbyn and where he stands, but he can't properly lead the party. They've also clearly not changed enough when it comes to civil liberties.

What a fucking joke.

Completely agreed.

 

[Jezbollah]

You were never required to give NI to buy a TV, not proof of address. You were required to tell a shop your name and address for TV licensing, but you could make it up.

More importantly that requirement was scrapped three years ago, because it cost far more to implement than any revenue it got back.

Hi MW, sorry for the late reply. Didnt realise the TV buying procedure wasnt something that was either not used anymore or not essentially used in any measure. Cheers for pointing this out.

 

[Maledict]

I've honestly given up on Labour at this point.

I admire Corbyn and where he stands, but he can't properly lead the party. They've also clearly not changed enough when it comes to civil liberties.

What a fucking joke.

If anything the far left strand is going to more keen on government oversight and knowledge than the moderates. Civil liberties such as opposition to ID cards and surveillance has never been a core part of left wing philosophy, particularly old school members.

 

[f0rk]

Good to see Corbyn in the news again

 

[Coriolanus]

one half step forward, a somersault back

 

[Camp Freddie]

If anything the far left strand is going to more keen on government oversight and knowledge than the moderates. Civil liberties such as opposition to ID cards and surveillance has never been a core part of left wing philosophy, particularly old school members.

Given the Corbynites fawning over the death of Castro, they'd want the snoopers charter to allow imprisonment without trial of anyone googling gay porn, big black cocks or magna carta.

 

[Empty]

corbyn talking on the news about castro. idiot.

a minute of hagiography then "yes there are problems of excesses by all regimes"

 

[HazySaiyan]

corbyn talking on the news about castro. idiot.

a minute of hagiography then "yes there are problems of excesses by all regimes"

He's doing himself absolutely no favours is he?

 

[Jezbollah]

Paul Nuttall elected UKIP leader..

 

[sasliquid]

Far right party chooses far right, anti NHS, anti science, anti pc candidate.

Hilariously goes on triads against "cultural Marxism" and not being allowed to be politically incorrect/racist but also wants to ban an inconvenient truth.

 

[dapperbandit]

Seems like the logical choice. Been a face in the party for a long time as a trusted #2 during happier times for UKIP, also in the best position of any of the candidates to chase Northern Labour votes.

 

[ultratruman]

He's doing himself absolutely no favours is he?

I'm not even sure you can talk in terms of 'doing favours' or 'optics' with Jeremy Corbyn. The man does not have the goals or convictions of a normal democratic party leader. I don't really know what he wants to achieve, but becoming prime minister is clearly not top of his agenda.