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UK PoliGAF |OT2| - We Blue Ourselves
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Sure. It won't get many responses. UK political news on Off Topic rarely does.
If you call him a republican socialist in the title you can bait a load of confused Americans.
Haha.
Masquerader
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Ah, alright. Thought so.
That's weird as hell, although from my perspective in NI, more likely to make progress on the subject than what's currently happening. But yeah, simply implementing it would be much smoother.
Huw_Dawson
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The country is: however the country keeps electing conservative MPs for both red and blue.
We still have bishops in the HoL ffs.
Weirder was the Purdah bill. LDs voted with the government to allow for government departments to put out stuff that could influence the vote. It failed anyway - Labour, the SNP and the anti-Europe Tories shot it down. Would have been nice to have, though. Having the foreign office dropping truthfacts every time Farage made something up would have been fun and it's have allowed local councils to remind voters about all the European Development Fund projects that they directly benefit from...
Jezbollah
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If this is the case, then they've been doing this for 20 years. Back then, in the last vote for Right To Die, 72% of MP voted against the bill, whereas this time around it was 74%...
Nicktendo86
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I've not seen it but apparently the debate in the chamber was very good, with a lot of emotion.
Edit: by the way, rumours doing the rounds that Corbyn will win on the first round with 53% and is too chicken shit to face Dave at pmq's every week so will delegate to other MPs.
Fernando Fernandez
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I read that he's raring to go and will be doing PMQ this week straight away.
Huw_Dawson
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Yup. Often the MPs's job getting elected was just to appeal to a local party's selection committee. They don't really care about the constituents - the local area elects the same-coloured rosette each time. So why should they care if the public supports something?
Labour is small-c conservative on social issues and always has been. As long as Labour and the Tories are the two largest parties, breakthrough human rights stuff is off the agenda.
phisheep
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That seems unduly pessimistic to me. After all, we've had in my lifetime the abolition of the death penalty, the legalisation of gay sex, legalisation of abortion, no-fault divorce. All of them breakthrough at the time, as obvious as they might seem in hindsight.
He has got it in the bag.
Jezbollah
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Emotion doesn't mean anything when you get people like the SNP health spokeswoman saying:
'What we need is better palliative care, so that everyone can journey to a beatiful death'.
My actual response to that shite is unprintable, but as the brother of someone with extremely aggressive MS, she can go fuck herself. The right over your own body is the most fundamental right of all and the notion that somehow this is morally wrong is repugnant to me.
All the emotion in the world doesn't change the fact that MPs voting against this are wrong and making decisions for people in the utmost awful circumstances that only make their lives worse.
Hmm, I'm coming over in December. Will the UK Labor fall into a heap like I've been reading if Jeremy wins? It's been getting pretty little press here, but what press there has been is rather dim on him.
Jezbollah
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I think December is a little too soon to see anything major happen, but you can be assured that the Conservatives have an effective plan in place to face a Corbyn Labour Party on the long-term leading up to 2020.
Jezbollah
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Sky News breaking that Corbyn has won in the first round.
EDIT:
Labour Party Deputy Leader Election results
Ben Bradshaw OUT Rd1,
Angela Eagle, OUT Rd2,
Caroline Flint, Rd3, 22.8%
Stella Creasy, Rd3 26.4%
Tom Watson, Rd3, 50.7%
Tom Watson MP is elected Deputy Leader of the Labour Party.
EDIT:
Labour Party Deputy Leader Election results
Ben Bradshaw OUT Rd1,
Angela Eagle, OUT Rd2,
Caroline Flint, Rd3, 22.8%
Stella Creasy, Rd3 26.4%
Tom Watson, Rd3, 50.7%
Tom Watson MP is elected Deputy Leader of the Labour Party.
Roberto Larcos
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Landslide.
Jezbollah
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Shadow health minister Jamie Reed has resigned.
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/642651877155467264
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/642651877155467264
Jezbollah
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I think the only ousting that may happen right now will be of the Blairite variety. - IMO Corbyn has a couple of years before any such plans to get rid of him may boil to the surface.
That was before we found out that Corbyn won almost half of registered members' votes. Like it or not, the rank and file of the party have spoken.
That's true. The scale of the proportion is hard to challenge.
Jezbollah
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Shadow secretary of state for work and pensions Rachel Reeves won't return to shadow cabinet when she returns from maternity leave
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/642667798737649664
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/642667798737649664
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why would you even offer odds on david miliband? he's not an MP, now he lost to Ed already, and he's a Blairite when the last Blairite candidate took 4.5%. he had a chance once (twice if you include the almost coup over Brown), and he fluffed it (both times), he has no serious career at this point. Similarly, like, why would you even have odds for Hunt and Cooper, a.k.a. Tristram 'wouldn't know working class if it hit him in the face' Hunt and Yvette 'lost to Corbyn and is probably a robot' Cooper, and not have odds for Eagle or Nandy? literally terrible, no wonder they gave Corbyn 100/1, they have no idea what is going on.
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i mean, just to make it clear, he won by a bigger margin than blair did in '94
people quitting the shadow cabinet are stupid. the labour cabinet have a surprising amount of power and influence. if you're a rightwing candidate, by far the best thing you can do right now fypov is to get in there and try and moderate the situation, not commit career suicide by going to the backbenches and drifting over time into some obscure backbencher. nobody will know who rachel reeves is in 2020.
Nicktendo86
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I've counted four labour MPs quitting the front bench already so far.
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Kendall, Cooper, Reeves, Reed, Umunna for five, I make it.
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Reeves is the only real loss out of that group.
CyclopsRock
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The scale of the victory is, IMO, irrelevant to the plans of the potential ousters - it's not the £3, signed-up-6-weeks-ago voters that they're worried about, it is the other 65 million.
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Yes and no. In Corbyn's current position of power, he could probably squeeze through mandated reselection if he wanted to - it'd go to a vote with the Labour membership, which he controls. The only people who will still rebel in the face of that are those who very highly suspect they'll lose their seats, which is not most of them because, being Labour bigwigs in their previous lives, they mostly have safe seats.
CyclopsRock
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But in this scenario, why wouldn't Corby wan't to reselect them anyway? That way he removes the threat from the PLP and if they're in safe seats, he doesn't need to worry about losing an MP anyway.
Watching the interviews with Conservatives on the BBC, there must have been some intensive work on making sure they knew what they were supposed to say, they all have the same speech prepared about how Labour are a threat to 'National Security', the economy, but the people most at risk are YOUR family, oh and of course the 'working class' should be petrified as Jeremy is coming for them!
Their rhetoric is hilariously alarmist, if I didn't know who they were actually talking about, you could convince me they were propagandising about ISIS.
Their rhetoric is hilariously alarmist, if I didn't know who they were actually talking about, you could convince me they were propagandising about ISIS.
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They'll make a big fuss if they're going to be killed off. It's not worth the trouble, provided they don't make too much of a fuss now (which is why they won't).
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