FlammableD
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Welp, off to work with 2 hours sleep and a massive sense of current and impending dread and fear.
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UK PoliGAF |OT2| - We Blue Ourselves
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Jezbollah
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08:15. David Cameron resigns.
PM leadership contest will be held before the Conservative Party Conference in October.
PM leadership contest will be held before the Conservative Party Conference in October.
CyclopsRock
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I'm getting a McDonald's breakfast on the way to work. This is how the world ends, not with a bang, but with a double sausage and egg mcmuffin.
Jezbollah
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09:00 - The London Economic ‏(@LondonEconomic)
"The UK is no longer the world's 5th largest economy. The £ has fallen so far that France has overtaken us. #EUref"
09:10 - Alex Wickham ‏(@WikiGuido)
"LABOUR: ShadCab ministers could tell Corbyn to resign or resign themselves. Rumours of no confidence letter. McDonnell potential successor."
"The UK is no longer the world's 5th largest economy. The £ has fallen so far that France has overtaken us. #EUref"
09:10 - Alex Wickham ‏(@WikiGuido)
"LABOUR: ShadCab ministers could tell Corbyn to resign or resign themselves. Rumours of no confidence letter. McDonnell potential successor."
There was some woman on the radio (I think Theresa Villiers) who was part of the leave campaign. She was asked when they should invoke article 50 and start the exit process, her reply was, "Well I don't think we should do it immediately, maybe not for a while, because as soon as you do, you're excluded from some important meetings and decisions."
NO SHIT! Isn't that like the whole fucking point?! Isn't that what you campaigned for?!
Congrats Engerland, you successfully closed the borders (you haven't), you got all that money back that was being wasted (you haven't) and you've ensured that we're a true democracy again (we aren't).
NO SHIT! Isn't that like the whole fucking point?! Isn't that what you campaigned for?!
Congrats Engerland, you successfully closed the borders (you haven't), you got all that money back that was being wasted (you haven't) and you've ensured that we're a true democracy again (we aren't).
JonathanEx
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Honestly Corbyn should just fuck off at this point. It'll be a big heavyweight Tory fight and possible election, we need there to be an actual opposition.
Jezbollah
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Sophy Ridge ‏(@SophyRidgeSky)
Labour MP Angela Smith tells me "We need a leader who is capable of meeting the challenges we face. Jeremy Corbyn should consider position"
(((Dan Hodges))) ‏(@DPJHodges)
Understand motion of no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn to be tabled at Monday's PLP.
What the shit is going on over there y'all?
Jezbollah
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I think a load of us have been asking the same thing for days now :/
Implies they have someone. Can't see Jarvis or Umunna backtracking quite so quickly, which rules out the two best candidates.
Fernando Fernandez
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As you can tell from my posts I'm a huge fan of Corbyn, the man and his policies. After yesterday's vote, for the first time I feel the public won't vote for him as PM. Which is saddening.
FlammableD
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This thread is pretty quiet, so I feel more comfortable putting this here than one of the active Brexit threads.
I honestly feel completely lost and exhausted. The right wing have taken over. Farage has gone from a joke to getting everything he ever wanted. The alt-right and MRA's are taking over everywhere else.
And I'm tired. And I feel like I can't do a fucking thing about it. It seems completely hopeless.
As a left wing "SJW" person who thinks being decent to people isn't such a bad idea, where do I go? Cause it clearly isn't here.
I honestly feel completely lost and exhausted. The right wing have taken over. Farage has gone from a joke to getting everything he ever wanted. The alt-right and MRA's are taking over everywhere else.
And I'm tired. And I feel like I can't do a fucking thing about it. It seems completely hopeless.
As a left wing "SJW" person who thinks being decent to people isn't such a bad idea, where do I go? Cause it clearly isn't here.
CyclopsRock
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I'm not sure this is accurate. The Remain vs Leave vote appears to be pretty split between urban and rural lines, not party political lines. There are huge swathes of "Labour heartland" that voted to Leave. Combine this with the rise of UKIP and the fact that Scotland voted so overwhelmingly for Remain with seemingly no reason (as in, their situation is not significantly different to that of the rest of the UK economically, so why such a huge difference) and to me it seems clear that it's not about right vs left but rather that there's a huge chunk of the country who feel utterly, utterly let down and un-appreciated by "the establishment". This explains basically everything, from UKIPs rise, from the non-party-political splits, to why Scotland's Remain vote was so much higher (because they feel that the SNP - whose rise is also supported by this wee hypothesis - actually represents them and their interests, whether they're right or not).
Jezbollah
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It looks like his own party members are starting to give up on Corbyn too:
Sophy Ridge ‏@SophyRidgeSky
Hearing Labour HQ receiving lots of calls from members who say they want to resign membership & Corbyn should go
EDIT: Nicola Sturgeon on Sky News now. I feel like she's giving the air of an imminent push for a new Referendum.
FlammableD
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After the campaign, and that word cloud, I can't see it any other way. I agree there's an air of fuck the establishment, but that seems to go right along with the rightwards shift.
Corbyn's base is not working class trade unionists. It's middle class liberals, primarily in London - people who overwhelmingly, in great numbers, wanted to remain.
He has badly misjudged things to be frank - he is now very vulnerable, and a decent leader could easily take him out at this point.
Fernando Fernandez
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There is no one strong enough in the party to replace him at the moment. Unless Jarvis changes his tune.
Fernando Fernandez
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You come at the king, you better not miss.
CyclopsRock
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I wonder who they have lined up?
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Jezbollah
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It's highly likely that the people who filed this motion will have enough votes for this motion to trigger a leadership election. ie Jeremy's getting booted out of his position as leader
Putting aside my favoritism of Jarvis to one side, he would appeal to both northern (Barnsley MP) and southern (ex military) voters. I'm not sure if Umunna will have that going for him.
And that if they don't, they're not going to be able to do it for a while.
Fernando Fernandez
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I'd say the majority of the voters who voted for Corbyn would vote for him again. If Labour want to dethrone him then they need to get the correct person. Mann has no chance.
Coriolanus
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A-yurp. Most likely gonna backfire.
Fernando Fernandez
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Seems like they knew this was coming.
I mean I'd imagine he had a briefing for both eventualities, just like Osborne.
I think the idea that voters used it to kick the government isn't quite the "gotcha" he thinks it is, though. His stance that "you can't trust the Tories" may be morally correct but it seems to have worked rather too well here.
I think the idea that voters used it to kick the government isn't quite the "gotcha" he thinks it is, though. His stance that "you can't trust the Tories" may be morally correct but it seems to have worked rather too well here.
JonathanEx
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At this stage, where we all know Corybn doesn't hugely want to be leader or Prime Minister, he should just use this as a graceful out.
Though if he does stand again in case of a challenge, I'd consider joining the party to vote for someone else. Depending on who it is obviously but there needs to be a damn change.
Though if he does stand again in case of a challenge, I'd consider joining the party to vote for someone else. Depending on who it is obviously but there needs to be a damn change.
Coriolanus
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how...did you determine that?
JonathanEx
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Well, it's a bit of an exaggeration. He'd like there to be change, but I don't think he's really gunning for the PM role as others have. Particularly how it came around - he always seems to suggest leading Labour is a duty given to him, rather than his ambition. This is a bit on that theory: http://uk.businessinsider.com/theor...want-to-be-leader-of-the-labour-party-2015-11
Maybe he wants to be leader now. But I don't hugely think he wants to be PM, and there was a good gag in the Vice film about that.
Coriolanus
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That article's writer is legit surprised that a dude that has a decades-spanning history of Doing His Own Thing continued to Do His Own Thing once he got the position.
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fwiw, if he didnt want it, he wouldnt have rushed to mention article 50, which is exactly what someone looking to capitalize on The bold new political factor would do.
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_/¯fwiw, if he didnt want it, he wouldnt have rushed to mention article 50, which is exactly what someone looking to capitalize on The bold new political factor would do.
Coriolanus
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Nope. Losing a referendum this important is unforgivable. Especially when he put in the most half-arsed campaign imaginable.
My local labour party is doing the same - already motions to deselect Kate Hoey and remove Corbyn.
If you can't rely on the party to fight for Europe, then why be a member?
Coriolanus
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Jezbollah
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Just wanted to link-dump today's developments for prosperity:
Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
The UK votes to leave the European Union
Brexit Leave Campaign backtracks on £350m/wk extra to NHS used as part of campaign
The British Pound is now trading at its third lowest value to USD since 1791
137bn wiped off UK stocks within minutes after the Brexit Leave win
David Cameron will step down as UK PM by October
Sinn Féin calls for poll on Irish unity after NI votes Remain
Nicola Sturgeon: 2nd Independence Referendum IS on the table - supported by manifesto
MPs submit Corbyn no confidence motion(UK)
Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
The UK votes to leave the European Union
Brexit Leave Campaign backtracks on £350m/wk extra to NHS used as part of campaign
The British Pound is now trading at its third lowest value to USD since 1791
137bn wiped off UK stocks within minutes after the Brexit Leave win
David Cameron will step down as UK PM by October
Sinn Féin calls for poll on Irish unity after NI votes Remain
Nicola Sturgeon: 2nd Independence Referendum IS on the table - supported by manifesto
MPs submit Corbyn no confidence motion(UK)
This whole thing makes me really appreciate what many others perhaps already understood but now I truly get it.
If we ignore the struggles of those in society that are worst off, that are struggling for work, are unable to pay their way, unable to get the education they need or deprived of opportunities then the whole of society will pay. Nothing exemplifies that more than the London/rEngland split.
We ignore those at the bottom at our peril and if we do then they will rise up and make us pay. I'll definitely be much more mindful of that going forward.
If we ignore the struggles of those in society that are worst off, that are struggling for work, are unable to pay their way, unable to get the education they need or deprived of opportunities then the whole of society will pay. Nothing exemplifies that more than the London/rEngland split.
We ignore those at the bottom at our peril and if we do then they will rise up and make us pay. I'll definitely be much more mindful of that going forward.
Fernando Fernandez
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I thought this was good from Paul Mason about this.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-eu-working-class-culture-hijacked-help-elite
Corbyn was a disaster in this referendum and I put a lot of the blame for this on him. But today I thought about it and none of the other leadership candidates could have appealed the working class voters who voted Leave anyway so I dunno.. It's more of a problem with the party as a whole being totally out of touch tbh.
Like, holy fucking moley to all of that.
Corbyn messed up massively. I guess he didn't participate much because he'd make Remain look disjointed by directly attacking the Dave and George for the state of the nation. But I still mostly blame the newspapers for this fine mess; they're the ones who choose what to report and distort.
Fernando Fernandez
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Think it's really unfair to put all the blame on Corbyn. Cameron was the one who put this referendum up to try and win voters last year. Cameron was the guy that went against a lot of his mandate that got him elected last year. Whose going to believe him over anything? Then there's Osborne - a man whose failed with his budget, missing his own targets for the past 5 years. Whose going to trust his financial warnings?
Jezbollah
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I think the results are more down to the negative fear tactics (and certain billboards/posters) portraying all the problems as coming from immigrants mainly. It struck a nerve with core Labour voters that no one on the Remain side could help overturn.
I honestly think Corbyn was already a soft target as it stands - all this is months of internal rumblings within the PLP coming to a head. Labour need to re-invent themselves, to unify and to take the challenge to a Conservative party who themselves are in a state of disarray.
FlammableD
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We've proved a xenophobic campaign works. I can't see Labor going in any other direction.
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