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UK PoliGAF |OT2| - We Blue Ourselves
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Would it?
(Only because I can't see any combination of "x vs x" on that list that I don't visibly recoil in horror from.)
When you consider Leadsom is basically running with the IDS leadership crew (the advisers and MP's who were close to IDS when he was leader) and that IDS would probably be her frontrunner for Chancellor (although I'd like to think IDS knows he's not up for that job and would take Foreign Secretary instead).
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
IDS is all ego. He isn't capable of being a cabinet let alone a cabinet minister.
JonathanEx
Member
I think we could go one further, for example
Yup that's about right.
I'm not saying Leadsom is okay. She's not.
But as opposed to a religious fundamentalist in Crabb? Someone corrupt in Fox? Gove???
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Leadsom has questionable finances (hints of corruption) and is highly religious!
Roberto Larcos
Member
I wish David Davis was running - one of the few in the party I wouldn't be ashamed to have as PM.
To be fair, the more I read of her blog the more I agree with you, she's batshit crazy beyond words... Wants every "website" to get rated via the BBFC (which apparently is easy because "they all get tested for viruses") and that science can reliably predict if babies will be criminals by the age of two.
I agree, but to be honest I suspect he's getting on a bit too much to want to do it now.
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Abstain vs Re-open Nominations?
lolwut? Do you have a link?
Link not working. So probably getting hammered.
Thanks.
Ah, no sources, just an unverifiable claim attributed to good old "Science!".
EDIT: In case people can't get at it:
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
I love that she is giving serious discussion to super nannies as a means of solving the country's problems.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
He isn't popular with party members and there's too many against him in the parliamentary party to viably stand. Say what you will about them, but Cameron and he were deeply committed to staying in. They actually stood for what they believed in and worked towards it.
He'll come back on a 'I told you so' message in 5 years after we've left.
there's about as much chance of the tory membership voting for osborne after his behaviour in the referendum as there is the labour membership voting for anyone who can win a general election
Roberto Larcos
Member
However, he'll be in a good position for the job in 4/9 years time. He's on the right side of Brexit (re: economy), and that toxicity surrounding him will die away in time. He'll get in even sooner if Leadsom becomes leader and fails to get a majority in 2020. The party would be quick to acknowledge that they need to shift back to the centre ground, and GO is definitely towards the centre-left of the party.
That said, the only chance of Labour getting in is to move to the centre without splitting party (unless they had an explicit agreement not to compete against each other and accept coalition, which I think would be an extremely interesting and tactful way out of the current mess).
Here is the result of the first round of MPs voting on the next Conservative leader:
May: 165
Leadsom: 66
Gove: 48
Crabb: 34
Fox: 16
Liam Fox is therefore eliminated. We dont yet know whether any other candidates intend to withdraw, or whether all four will proceed to the second round of voting on Thursday.
http://www.conservativehome.com/par...nd-as-may-tops-the-ballot-with-165-votes.html
May: 165
Leadsom: 66
Gove: 48
Crabb: 34
Fox: 16
Liam Fox is therefore eliminated. We dont yet know whether any other candidates intend to withdraw, or whether all four will proceed to the second round of voting on Thursday.
http://www.conservativehome.com/par...nd-as-may-tops-the-ballot-with-165-votes.html
Roberto Larcos
Member
Will be very interesting to see where Crabb's votes end up, given that he represents a decent share of the Remain MPs. That said, given May has won over 50% of the votes in the very first round, something will need to happen to bring even the most popular of the opposition into play.
In related news Stephen Crabb: 'I will not rush to trigger Article 50'
anonymous_abc
Member
Why have I never watched the Thick of It before?
Just binging it at season 3... such fun.
Just binging it at season 3... such fun.
Not as good as Yes Minsister though.
Jezbollah
Member
EVERYONE should watch The Thick Of It (and the spin off movie, In The Loop).
So it looks like the Junior Doctor's contract, agreed by the Government and the BMA is going to be imposed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36714792
I could see this coming TBH.
So it looks like the Junior Doctor's contract, agreed by the Government and the BMA is going to be imposed
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36714792
I could see this coming TBH.
Roberto Larcos
Member
Doctors should have voted for it. Now the precedent of imposing contracts is set...
JonathanEx
Member
Yes I was going to say, criticising there for not being enough planning of the effects afterwards? Who would have seen it coming.
Not to detract from the report itself and its findings so throwing it out here, who'll be placing bets on what Corbyn will say in PMQs? Will he call for Blair to be tried for War Crimes in the HOC?
When is the next PMQs? I have no doubt Corbyn will go hell to the leather on this - it massively excites his base, and he needs them right now to stay as leader. I still don't think it will do anything for the party in general, especially in terms of a general election - but Corbyn clearly doesn't give a shit about actually winning or being in power to do something.
CyclopsRock
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What can he really say, though? I mean, it's not like Blair's the PM and Labour had a massive majority at the time. This isn't like Syria where a big push by the opposition could have derailed the war even if they'd wanted to (which they didn't, obviously).
Roberto Larcos
Member
Interesting - 100,000 people have joined Labour since the EU referendum. I wonder how that compares to the 15,000 new Lib Dem members in regards to actual funding. I'd guess that the Labour voters generally donate lower amounts, but Lib Dems would need to be beating them significantly on that count to even stay close.
At any rate, it's great to see a wider interest in politics in the country. And Lord knows, both of these parties need te funding if they're to stay close to the budget of the Conservative Party.
At any rate, it's great to see a wider interest in politics in the country. And Lord knows, both of these parties need te funding if they're to stay close to the budget of the Conservative Party.
phisheep
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Now. We are 20 minutes into it.
People are joining labour not because of their stance on Europe, but to either vote to keep Corbyn or remove him. It's about a 60 / 40 split apparently - I know several left wingers who have never formally joined who now have just to vote against Corbyn, for example.
Yep, that's sort of my point. We know that Corbyn is determined to give a response on this, and grand stand a lot, but I don't see what that gets him. This isn't like Obama in 2008 where he can point to his superior judgement against his opponents. All it does is play to a small, very vocal base that is already wildly in favour of him.
I just don't see the big picture politically at all for him - it's just going to be rabble rousing for the same people who already back him. Are there really many working class votes who will switch from Tory to Labour based on this?
Coriolanus
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At best, Chilcot becomes a cultural touchstone, and less bloodthirsty politicians will refer to it as an example of the extreme planning and care needed before military action is taken.
At best.
By which i mean his path is to tie it to Syria and expand from there.
At best.
By which i mean his path is to tie it to Syria and expand from there.
JonathanEx
Member
Well, there were rumours that Corbyn was going to go for the nuclear option to distract from him by calling directly for Blair to be tried for war crimes - or even an apology on behalf of Labour, which was strongly expected. So that might be noteworthy that he didn't do that as part of his statement on Chilcot.
Angus Robertson's going in harsher on Blair.
Fernando Fernandez
Member
Heckler Ian Austin voted 3 times against an enquiry into the Iraq War. That's a disgrace there.
proper scum bag, corbyn gave a good statement too
anonymous_abc
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War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
The games they are trying to play to keep her off will only strengthen her position if she does get there, in my view. Dangerous play.
This is the text of a speech delivered by Andrea Leadsom to a rally at Millbank Tower this morning:
Thank you for coming along this morning.
Id like to begin by taking a moment to remember all those that died in the 7/7 bombings eleven years ago today.
Above all things, our thoughts and prayers are with their families on this day.
We should never forget how special our democracy is.
Over in the House of Commons, I and my colleagues are about exercise that democratic right to make an incredibly important decision.
We will be selecting two MPs to go forward to the country so that many of you can decide who will be our next Prime Minister.
That person will face enormous challenges and today I want to tell you why I want to lead the Party and this great country of ours.
You see, I am an optimist.
I truly believe we can be the greatest nation on earth.
As we show that the UK is once again open to the world and united in our new destiny, so we will expand our horizons.
Prosperity should be our goal, not austerity.
I want to spread prosperity to every corner of our country.
I want to help create more jobs.
Because, we need to hear and heed those millions of our fellow citizens who feel and fear that their countrys leaders dont worry about them.
Those people who think that chief executives of big businesses get telephone number salaries, that bear no relation to the performance of their companies.
I say to all of those people I am with you and I want you to share in the great future for this country.
I want to see better training, smarter working yes, and higher pay for the many.
I want to lead a nation where anyone who aims high can achieve their dreams.
Mark Carney, Bank of England Governor, was exactly right last week when he said:
The UK can handle change. It has one of the most flexible economies in the world and benefits from a deep reservoir of human capital, world class infrastructure and the rule of law. Its people are admired the world over for their strength under adversity. The question is not whether the UK will adjust but rather how quickly and how well.
He then goes on to say that a clear plan is needed. Hes absolutely right.
So today I want to speak to the markets as well as to the nation.
No one needs to fear our decision to leave the EU.
We will do so carefully, reassuring our European friends, and those businesses who are worrying about change
Trade must be the top priority: continued tariff free trade with the EU; continued free trade with those countries we have agreements with as a current member of the EU; and vitally, seizing the opportunity to take up new free trade deals with fast growing economies around the world.
Theres a big job to do.
But we also have to give certainty to different groups in our own country.
Certainty on migration. We want fair but controlled immigration fair to those who are already here; and fair to all the talents across the world.
So I tell you today I will not use peoples lives as bargaining chips in some negotiation. People need certainty and they will get it I say to all who are legally here that you will be welcome to stay.
Certainty for farmers, universities and others who currently receive EU money. To them I say the UK government, my government, will give you the same money when we leave, and we will work with you to make more targeted use of the subsidies.
Certainty for those who want to travel, study and collaborate with others on the continent I say to them, you will be absolutely free to do so.
But a key job of our new Prime Minister will be to ensure the continued success of the UK economy.
Already we can see that the forecasts of a disaster for sterling, for equities and for interest rates have not been proven correct.
The pound is weaker, partly as a result of the markets being wrong on the result of the referendum, and partly on the expectation of further interest rate easing. But lower sterling is good for exports and makes inward investment more attractive.
It means we may import less and buy more at home.
The FTSE 100 is trading higher, and outperforming other global stock markets.
The government cost of borrowing has dropped with private sector loans available at the same rates as before.
That means the price of our state borrowing has fallen by a remarkable 40 per cent with 10 year interest rates below 0.8 per cent versus 1.37 per cent on 23 rd June.
Our valuable financial services sector has been boosted by both Barclays and HSBC bosses saying their plans are to stick with the U.K.
I will work tirelessly to reassure investors that the UK is open for business and a great place to employ people.
When we come to see the post EU figures I expect to see continued growth.
I expect to see people buying goods, going about their normal business, buying their homes and yes, enjoying a pay rise.
I will expect high standards of company behaviour, recognising their obligations to their communities and to their employees.
Mine will be a realistic but optimistic voice.
I believe we have a great future ahead of us.
We need to unite, to be positive and to make the most of our enormous strengths:
We are one of the worlds biggest economies;
We speak the worlds international business language of English;
Our contract law and our judicial system are second to none, inspiring great investor confidence;
We are part of a Commonwealth of 2.3 billion consumers, many of whose economies are growing fast;
We have historic trading links across the world, and from tourism to software to financial services to manufacturing, we have a great deal to offer.
This is the country that gave the world the rule of law, parliamentary democracy, the right to own property, the English language and the free market.
We are a remarkable people and we have so much more to give.
That is why here today I say, let us unite, and together we will write another great chapter one of prosperity, tolerance and hope.
http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/07/leadsoms-rally-speech-full-text.html
Thank you for coming along this morning.
Id like to begin by taking a moment to remember all those that died in the 7/7 bombings eleven years ago today.
Above all things, our thoughts and prayers are with their families on this day.
We should never forget how special our democracy is.
Over in the House of Commons, I and my colleagues are about exercise that democratic right to make an incredibly important decision.
We will be selecting two MPs to go forward to the country so that many of you can decide who will be our next Prime Minister.
That person will face enormous challenges and today I want to tell you why I want to lead the Party and this great country of ours.
You see, I am an optimist.
I truly believe we can be the greatest nation on earth.
As we show that the UK is once again open to the world and united in our new destiny, so we will expand our horizons.
Prosperity should be our goal, not austerity.
I want to spread prosperity to every corner of our country.
I want to help create more jobs.
Because, we need to hear and heed those millions of our fellow citizens who feel and fear that their countrys leaders dont worry about them.
Those people who think that chief executives of big businesses get telephone number salaries, that bear no relation to the performance of their companies.
I say to all of those people I am with you and I want you to share in the great future for this country.
I want to see better training, smarter working yes, and higher pay for the many.
I want to lead a nation where anyone who aims high can achieve their dreams.
Mark Carney, Bank of England Governor, was exactly right last week when he said:
The UK can handle change. It has one of the most flexible economies in the world and benefits from a deep reservoir of human capital, world class infrastructure and the rule of law. Its people are admired the world over for their strength under adversity. The question is not whether the UK will adjust but rather how quickly and how well.
He then goes on to say that a clear plan is needed. Hes absolutely right.
So today I want to speak to the markets as well as to the nation.
No one needs to fear our decision to leave the EU.
We will do so carefully, reassuring our European friends, and those businesses who are worrying about change
Trade must be the top priority: continued tariff free trade with the EU; continued free trade with those countries we have agreements with as a current member of the EU; and vitally, seizing the opportunity to take up new free trade deals with fast growing economies around the world.
Theres a big job to do.
But we also have to give certainty to different groups in our own country.
Certainty on migration. We want fair but controlled immigration fair to those who are already here; and fair to all the talents across the world.
So I tell you today I will not use peoples lives as bargaining chips in some negotiation. People need certainty and they will get it I say to all who are legally here that you will be welcome to stay.
Certainty for farmers, universities and others who currently receive EU money. To them I say the UK government, my government, will give you the same money when we leave, and we will work with you to make more targeted use of the subsidies.
Certainty for those who want to travel, study and collaborate with others on the continent I say to them, you will be absolutely free to do so.
But a key job of our new Prime Minister will be to ensure the continued success of the UK economy.
Already we can see that the forecasts of a disaster for sterling, for equities and for interest rates have not been proven correct.
The pound is weaker, partly as a result of the markets being wrong on the result of the referendum, and partly on the expectation of further interest rate easing. But lower sterling is good for exports and makes inward investment more attractive.
It means we may import less and buy more at home.
The FTSE 100 is trading higher, and outperforming other global stock markets.
The government cost of borrowing has dropped with private sector loans available at the same rates as before.
That means the price of our state borrowing has fallen by a remarkable 40 per cent with 10 year interest rates below 0.8 per cent versus 1.37 per cent on 23 rd June.
Our valuable financial services sector has been boosted by both Barclays and HSBC bosses saying their plans are to stick with the U.K.
I will work tirelessly to reassure investors that the UK is open for business and a great place to employ people.
When we come to see the post EU figures I expect to see continued growth.
I expect to see people buying goods, going about their normal business, buying their homes and yes, enjoying a pay rise.
I will expect high standards of company behaviour, recognising their obligations to their communities and to their employees.
Mine will be a realistic but optimistic voice.
I believe we have a great future ahead of us.
We need to unite, to be positive and to make the most of our enormous strengths:
We are one of the worlds biggest economies;
We speak the worlds international business language of English;
Our contract law and our judicial system are second to none, inspiring great investor confidence;
We are part of a Commonwealth of 2.3 billion consumers, many of whose economies are growing fast;
We have historic trading links across the world, and from tourism to software to financial services to manufacturing, we have a great deal to offer.
This is the country that gave the world the rule of law, parliamentary democracy, the right to own property, the English language and the free market.
We are a remarkable people and we have so much more to give.
That is why here today I say, let us unite, and together we will write another great chapter one of prosperity, tolerance and hope.
http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/07/leadsoms-rally-speech-full-text.html
The BBC article on hard versus soft brexiters is remarkably bad. It arrives at the conclusion that even the lib Dems will 'hold their noses' and vote for a soft Brexit.
Have to say I'm really tired of the collective lunacy that has gripped this nation. Apparently it's heresy to wonder why we can't possibly, ever, even think of ignoring the 52% that voted leave but the 48% who voted remain are ignored at every opportunity. The media and political class seem to have decided that they have no agency or sponsibility, and that even though they know it's suicide we have to do this crazy thing because of the 52%. It's fucking nuts.
Have to say I'm really tired of the collective lunacy that has gripped this nation. Apparently it's heresy to wonder why we can't possibly, ever, even think of ignoring the 52% that voted leave but the 48% who voted remain are ignored at every opportunity. The media and political class seem to have decided that they have no agency or sponsibility, and that even though they know it's suicide we have to do this crazy thing because of the 52%. It's fucking nuts.
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