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[Mindwipe]

Not sure if I perhaps should post a separate thread, but what the actual fuck is wrong with your newspapers?

And that's The Sunday Times, not just a scum tabloid.

Sure they fired him now, but how the fuck did that make it to print? Actually how the fuck is he still employed after denying the fucking holocaust?

These are all good questions. Also how the fuck is anyone editorial who allowed these things to go to print still employed.

Though maybe the Irish Sunday Times isn't technically "our" newspaper (It is really, given it's the UK Times with a few changes).

 

[oilvomer]

So the High Court has ruled the no private prosecution can proceed of Tony Blair, I feel the UK needs him to be charged with something, to ever put the Iraq war to bed.The ruling makes it sounds like he can not be prosecuted because parliament has not made the law ' Act of Aggression' so there is no likely hood of success. I would dispute that. I fully expect if he ever got put in front of a Jury he would be up the creek without a paddle.

 

[CCS]

So the High Court has ruled the no private prosecution can proceed of Tony Blair, I feel the UK needs him to be charged with something, to ever put the Iraq war to bed.The ruling makes it sounds like he can not be prosecuted because parliament has not made the law ' Act of Aggression' so there is no likely hood of success. I would dispute that. I fully expect if he ever got put in front of a Jury he would be up the creek without a paddle.

Apart from anything else, you'd have a hell of a time finding a jury for that trial.

 

[CyclopsRock]

These are all good questions. Also how the fuck is anyone editorial who allowed these things to go to print still employed.

Though maybe the Irish Sunday Times isn't technically "our" newspaper (It is really, given it's the UK Times with a few changes).

Tbf though, when one of those few changes is printing this dude's stuff, I'd say that - on this specific issue - it's a distinction that's pretty relevant!

 

[JonathanEx]

Tbf though, when one of those few changes is printing this dude's stuff, I'd say that - on this specific issue - it's a distinction that's pretty relevant!

Really goes to show the considerations for 'editions' and licensing the brand in the digital age. Doesn't matter if internally it's different, as a reader I'd have seen it on the Sunday Times website. It's their brand, they have to own it.

It still amuses me that publishers think 'oh no that wasn't the Mail on Sunday, it was the Mail' is an argument that readers give a shit about. I don't care about your editorial processes and internal structure, MailOnline, Mail on Sunday, Daily Mail, they're all the Mail.


*I as a geek do care about those things and the difference but that's not my point.


The other thing on this story - others have criticised it a lot better so I won't bother, but I will link to this piece on pub bore journalism as it calls it, and the cycle of 'oh it's fine they're controversial, oh no, too controversial', that always happens. The Milkshake Controversialist, if you will. Everyone loves reading the Milkshake Controversialist, they say things others are scared to in order to make you think! I regret to inform you the milkshake controversialist has defended pedos/denied the holocaust/called for a final solution

 

[berzeli]

These are all good questions. Also how the fuck is anyone editorial who allowed these things to go to print still employed.

Though maybe the Irish Sunday Times isn't technically "our" newspaper (It is really, given it's the UK Times with a few changes).

True.

England born writer, Irish edition based in London until June this year (if I understood it correctly), no Irish poligaf thread afaik, and I wasn't able to fit all the necessary profanity into a thread title. Hence the decision to post it here. It was the least worst place for it.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Wasn't sure which of the two threads to post this in, but decided to post here anyway:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40630242

Basically a study of how votes from the Referendum transitioned into votes in the election. Affirms what many suspected: The UKIP vote completely fell apart, most of it going to the Conservatives and some to Labour. This helped to shore up what Labour lost from Leave voters going to the Conservatives, while they gained from Remain voters of most political affiliations.

 

[Hazzuh]

Gonna crosspost this from the EU referendum thread:

Article here.

 

[TimmmV]

The Tories are still pushing their whole "break encryption" thing

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...e-chat-apps-messaging-encrypted-a7870401.html

"Real people" aren't really interested in security features that stop the government and criminals reading their messages, according to Home Secretary Amber Rudd.

Most people won't be concerned about that because they primarily use apps like WhatsApp and iMessage for their "features", she writes, and not because of the technology they incorporate to keep messages safe.

Technology companies say that such a system is impossible. End-to-end encryption works by ensuring that only the sender and recipient of a message can read it – meaning it would not be possible for tech firms to give government access to specific messages, even if they wanted to.

Ms Rudd took on that argument and said that might be true "in theory" but that "the reality is very different". She did not make clear what reality she was referring to, or how she intended to get around that central problem of encrypted communications.

"I know some will argue that it's impossible to have both – that if a system is end-to-end encrypted then it's impossible ever to access the communication," she wrote in a piece for The Daily Telegraph. "That might be true in theory. But the reality is very different."

She went on to write that people didn't really want encrypted messaging apps anyway, and that they would prefer to use software with more features.

"Real people often prefer ease of use and a multitude of features to perfect, unbreakable security. So this is not about asking the companies to break encryption and create so called 'back doors'," she wrote.

"Who uses WhatsApp because it is end-to-end encrypted, rather than because it is an incredibly user-friendly and cheap way of staying in touch with friends and family?"

The sad thing is that she is probably right that most people don't care that much about end to end encryption, that doesn't make this any less awful and stupid though.

 

[*Splinter]

She did not make clear what reality she was referring to,

Lol

 

[Coriolanus]

"Real people" aren't really interested in security features that stop the government and criminals reading their messages, according to Home Secretary Amber Rudd.

o_ô

like

duct tape: apply directly to mouth.

 

[Mr. Sam]

FAKE PEOPLE. SAD.

 

[Oriel]

True.

England born writer, Irish edition based in London until June this year (if I understood it correctly), no Irish poligaf thread afaik, and I wasn't able to fit all the necessary profanity into a thread title. Hence the decision to post it here. It was the least worst place for it.

Kevin Myers has made a name for himself as an anti-Irish cunt. It didn't seem to matter before when he was writing hate-filled shite about Irish people (particularily Northern Irish Catholics). Glad to see he's finally been seen for the abusive little shit that he is.

Spoiler

He'll probably get a column with the Mail soon.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

The sad thing is that she is probably right that most people don't care that much about end to end encryption, that doesn't make this any less awful and stupid though.

Most people would struggle to tell you the benefits of keeping their shoelaces tied. That doesn't mean you then legislate that shoes can only be sold without laces and that anyone wearing laces is a criminal.

Bloody Tories.

 

[Uzzy]

Drunk Brits abroad, smh.

Theresa May reportedly belted out the national anthem in the piano bar of a luxury Italian hotel while on holiday.

The Prime Minister and husband Philip were enjoying an escape from 'just about managing' Britain at the five-star Villa Cortine Palace Hotel, on the banks of Lake Garda.

And one night resident pianist Davide Foroni says he couldn't resist playing God Save The Queen when Mrs May entered the lavish bar.

He told the Sun: "As soon as the first notes started she was on her feet with her husband proudly singing along. Everyone stood."

No confirmation if she demanded Mr Brightside afterwards, sadly.

 

[Spuck-uk]

Drunk Brits abroad, smh.



No confirmation if she demanded Mr Brightside afterwards, sadly.

*Then everyone stood up and applauded*


We really need a better national anthem. Since the USSR aren't using theirs any more, I suggest we adopt it.

 

[tuxfool]

posted this in the brexit thread, but I suppose it applies here too

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...0?shareToken=292a4f04e5d4f668385561e80efc1dbf

Recruitment consultants have been paid more than a million pounds in a year as part of Liam Fox’s drive to find international trade specialists to work for the UK after Brexit.

Whitehall sources said that the department of international trade (DIT) had “thrown money” at headhunters to attract the best negotiators. So far ministers have only confirmed one senior appointment and refused to say how many officials with “substantial experience” have been hired.

“It is common knowledge around Whitehall that DIT have only managed to recruit a tiny number of experienced trade negotiators despite all this money on headhunters,” Lord Adonis said. “There is a small pool of international trade negotiators and hardly any of them want to ruin their reputation by becoming trade negotiators for a British government that is unlikely to be able to achieve its objectives.”

 

[CyclopsRock]

What kind of headhunters get paid before providing a successful candidate?

 

[JonathanEx]

What kind of headhunters get paid before providing a successful candidate?

Those dealing with the Brexit Bulldog, Master Negotiator! They told me that I'd only pay for them once they'd found someone, and I said no! That's not how we do it round here. So I paid them one million pounds and am without a full team.

 

[sammex]

latest poll

 

[Mr. Sam]

The response to those last two questions doesn't seem to mesh but maybe it just speaks to the lack of confidence people have in Labour negotiating Brexit.

 

[*Splinter]

The response to those last two questions doesn't seem to mesh but maybe it just speaks to the lack of confidence people have in Labour negotiating Brexit.

It's not that far out. 25% think we're doing well, 29% think this is the best we have. Some of that 4% difference will be the "this Brexit isn't hard enough!" nutters.

 

[Walshicus]

If we keep cross-posting content between here and the Brexit thread... does that not invalidate the reason for keeping both alive?

 

[Mr. Sam]

It's a slow news week, let us cling on to whatever flotsam floats our way.

 

[sammex]

If we keep cross-posting content between here and the Brexit thread... does that not invalidate the reason for keeping both alive?

Maybe merge the brexit thread into this one and any substantial brexit stories (like eu-centric) could get their own off topic thread instead as needed?

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Britain Elects‏
@britainelects

Marine (Worthing) result:

LAB: 47.4% (+27.8)
CON: 38.8% (-6.4)
LDEM: 11.3% (+1.1)
GRN: 2.5% (-6.2)

No UKIP as previous.

not British but replies to this are saying this is a huge deal?

 

[Bony Manifesto]

not British but replies to this are saying this is a huge deal?

It is and it isn't. It's a huge swing to Labour, but it's only one council by-election; the stakes are pretty low, and could have been affected by any number of factors.

 

[Beefy]

🤔

 

[Moosichu]

🤔

Is that an official account though?

 

[Beefy]

Is that an official account though?

People have found out it is linked to the Harrow Tories apparently

https://skwawkbox.org/2017/08/04/ha...-attack-on-abbott-hides-account-too-late/amp/

 

[Mr. Sam]

I'd trust Skwakbox as far as I could throw it. And it's a website, so I can't throw it at all.

 

[Jackpot]

The wayback machine only has archives from yesterday and today. Anyone got a working link?

 

[twofoldd]

Quoting statistics that 64% of over-65s voted for Brexit - compared with 71% of under-25s who voted Remain - Sir Vince said he was "struck by the heavily Remain sentiment in colleges and schools, and the heavily Brexit mood of church-hall meetings packed with retired people" during the referendum campaign.

He claimed that austerity measures had largely affected the working population, with pensioners suffering "relatively little" after the financial crisis.

Young people, he said, have the added problems of "prohibitive housing costs, growing job insecurity and limited career progression".

"The old have comprehensively shafted the young," added Sir Vince. "And the old have had the last word about Brexit, imposing a world view coloured by nostalgia for an imperial past on a younger generation much more comfortable with modern Europe."

Vince Cable: Young 'shafted' over Brexit

Full editorial here - http://archive.is/TNQHR#

 

[JonnyDBrit]

My only hope is that the sentiment lasts long enough, and we remain forever rankled by the removal of our rights as Europeans, to fight for them another day.

 

[jelly]

Vince Cable: Young 'shafted' over Brexit

Full editorial here - http://archive.is/TNQHR#

Nicely put. My mum is totally blinded by the rosy nostalgia and why can't we do it ourselves reasoning. Think she needs the reality to bite before changing her tune.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

not British but replies to this are saying this is a huge deal?

It's neat insofar as no Labour councillor has ever been elected there before, but it's incredibly insignificant. It's the British equivalent of, say, the Democrats winning a position on a township board in Kansas or something - at the end of the day that's not really a big position.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

It's neat insofar as no Labour councillor has ever been elected there before, but it's incredibly insignificant. It's the British equivalent of, say, the Democrats winning a position on a township board in Kansas or something - at the end of the day that's not really a big position.

is there any sort of correlation between winning council seats before winning seats in Parliament in an area?

 

[Roberto Larcos]

is there any sort of correlation between winning council seats before winning seats in Parliament in an area?

Not from a sample size of 1. Local elections are usually extremely reactionary (against the government of the day), and will have local popularity issues that aren't easily accounted for in 140 characters.

 

[Uzzy]

is there any sort of correlation between winning council seats before winning seats in Parliament in an area?

Not sure about specific seats, but the UK had local council elections a month before the general election, and the Tories won those quite heavily, taking 38% of the vote to Labour's 27%. Those figures weren't at all reflected in the general election.

 

[f0rk]

Not sure about specific seats, but the UK had local council elections a month before the general election, and the Tories won those quite heavily, taking 38% of the vote to Labour's 27%. Those figures weren't at all reflected in the general election.

If we had the election a month earlier that probably would have been the result though tbf

 

[Audioboxer]

🤔

Shocked.

Tbh I expected that to read Leave.EU twitter account.

I don't read this website so with that out the way in advance, http://evolvepolitics.com/official-...tweets-disgusting-racist-attack-diane-abbott/

Was listed highly on Google search.

Edit: I think it's just repeating what you posted https://skwawkbox.org/2017/08/04/ha...-attack-on-abbott-hides-account-too-late/amp/

 

[Deleted member 231381]

is there any sort of correlation between winning council seats before winning seats in Parliament in an area?

Not really, no. Council elections are normally at the same time as the election, so they can't predict anything. That doesn't apply to snap elections, so there's been a few elections when they've been disjunct, but in those years, they've had incredibly weak predictive value.

 

[mid83]

I have a quick question for those of you who live in the U.K. Ever since the Brexit vote last year, I've found myself wanting to keep up more with the consequences of Brexit, and as a result of that interest I'm now looking to keep up to date with UK and European politics. Most US based media sources don't put much time into reporting on these topics outside of major events like the recent U.K. election. The NY Times has the best US based international coverage, but it still only scratches the surface. I also read The Economist but I'd like to supplement that with more daily news.

With that said, I'm curious what sources would be good for an American who is interested in keeping with these issues. Would getting a digital sub to a newspaper like The Times of London would be a good option. It's very affordable as an iTunes subscription, but I want to be sure it's a reliable source before proceeding. I really liked the content of the Financial Times when I picked up a copy waiting for my flight home from Heathrow when I visited London earlier, but the subscription is a bit too pricy for me (around $36 a month) given I already have a couple subscriptions.

Any suggestions/advice would be much appreciated.

 

[Pixieking]

I have a quick question for those of you who live in the U.K. Ever since the Brexit vote last year, I've found myself wanting to keep up more with the consequences of Brexit, and as a result of that interest I'm now looking to keep up to date with UK and European politics. Most US based media sources don't put much time into reporting on these topics outside of major events like the recent U.K. election. The NY Times has the best US based international coverage, but it still only scratches the surface. I also read The Economist but I'd like to supplement that with more daily news.

With that said, I'm curious what sources would be good for an American who is interested in keeping with these issues. Would getting a digital sub to a newspaper like The Times of London would be a good option. It's very affordable as an iTunes subscription, but I want to be sure it's a reliable source before proceeding. I really liked the content of the Financial Times when I picked up a copy waiting for my flight home from Heathrow when I visited London earlier, but the subscription is a bit too pricy for me (around $36 a month) given I already have a couple subscriptions.

Any suggestions/advice would be much appreciated.

This is difficult to answer, as the media in the UK has taken an obvious down-turn in the past 3 or so years. I'm not sure if there is even a UK equivalent of a WaPo for the UK - something that's balanced, but centre/centre-left (sorry, I don't think much of the NYT, and canceled my subscription with them a few months ago ).

The Times is Murdoch owned, and so has a right-wing bias.
The Independent is trashy verging on clickbait rubbish since they turned digital-only a year or two ago.
The Guardian has lost its way since Rusbridger left/was pushed out a few years back. Though it's probably the best for politics, avoid/ignore everything that's an Opinion/Op-Ed piece, and prepare to read very critically. It's not what it once was - and is unexpectdly right-wing at times - but will do the job. The Observer is the Sundays-only partner of The Guardian, btw.
The Telegraph is right-wing, but without the Murdoch influence. Used to have one of the best Business sections in UK media, not sure if it still does. It's the only paper that might be worth considering instead of The Guardian.

Burn in a fire: Daily Express, Daily Mail, The Sun, The Star.

Edit: My personal reading habits are glance at the front page of The Independent and Telegraph, and read the foreign news section of The Washington Post.

 

[Roberto Larcos]

I have a quick question for those of you who live in the U.K. Ever since the Brexit vote last year, I've found myself wanting to keep up more with the consequences of Brexit, and as a result of that interest I'm now looking to keep up to date with UK and European politics. Most US based media sources don't put much time into reporting on these topics outside of major events like the recent U.K. election. The NY Times has the best US based international coverage, but it still only scratches the surface. I also read The Economist but I'd like to supplement that with more daily news.

With that said, I'm curious what sources would be good for an American who is interested in keeping with these issues. Would getting a digital sub to a newspaper like The Times of London would be a good option. It's very affordable as an iTunes subscription, but I want to be sure it's a reliable source before proceeding. I really liked the content of the Financial Times when I picked up a copy waiting for my flight home from Heathrow when I visited London earlier, but the subscription is a bit too pricy for me (around $36 a month) given I already have a couple subscriptions.

Any suggestions/advice would be much appreciated.

I would give The New European a try. It's very pro-EU, but facts are facts, and it's covering Brexit pretty comprehensively. You can get a digital subscription for relatively little - give it a go, I'd say.

 

[Camp Freddie]

Unfortunately, digital news doesn't pay the bills so the Independent is now a clickbait trash paper and the Guardian might be slowly heading that way.

Because only old people buy newspapers, they are generally reflect that conservative, old-fashioned mindset that opposes anything new or foreign. The Times and Telegraph are for people who think they are serious. The Mail and Express are for racist grandads who'd burn the country to the ground if it meant they don't have to hear Polish voices in the supermarket. Oh, and they all fap over Diana for some morbid reason (note that they hated her when she was alive). And the Sun is for tits. Literally and metaphorically.

Basically, read the British press very critically and understand they are all desperate to avoid going bankrupt, or owned as a vanity project by a wealthy oligarch (generally Murdoch).

The FT is probably the best for serious news about Brexit.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Yeah, even though it's the priciest, the Financial Times is probably the best for a foreigner looking in. Neither The Times nor The Guardian are bad shouts, but I really wouldn't recommend The Telegraph or The New European. You might even consider a subscription to either of the main current affairs magazines - The Spectator (right wing) or The New Statesman (left wing). I think the United States has a better selection of newspapers, whereas their broadcast media never gets above absolute garbage level.

 

[TimmmV]

This is difficult to answer, as the media in the UK has taken an obvious down-turn in the past 3 or so years. I'm not sure if there is even a UK equivalent of a WaPo for the UK - something that's balanced, but centre/centre-left (sorry, I don't think much of the NYT, and canceled my subscription with them a few months ago ).

The Times is Murdoch owned, and so has a right-wing bias.
The Independent is trashy verging on clickbait rubbish since they turned digital-only a year or two ago.
The Guardian has lost its way since Rusbridger left/was pushed out a few years back. Though it's probably the best for politics, avoid/ignore everything that's an Opinion/Op-Ed piece, and prepare to read very critically. It's not what it once was - and is unexpectdly right-wing at times - but will do the job. The Observer is the Sundays-only partner of The Guardian, btw.
The Telegraph is right-wing, but without the Murdoch influence. Used to have one of the best Business sections in UK media, not sure if it still does. It's the only paper that might be worth considering instead of The Guardian.

Burn in a fire: Daily Express, Daily Mail, The Sun, The Star.

Edit: My personal reading habits are glance at the front page of The Independent and Telegraph, and read the foreign news section of The Washington Post.

The Telegraph seems to have degraded into absolute trash in the last few years, I don't think this is really true anymore.

Some of their Brexit coverage has been absolutely woeful. I wouldn't really recommend them to someone new who doesn't know where to start

 

[Maledict]

Yeah, the Times is clearly better reading than the Telegraph at this stage. The Telegraph is the paper Daily Mail readers pick up when they start to develop dementia. It's truly terrible.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

The trouble with the Times is that you're funding Murdoch, which is on net probably greater damage to the world since at least the Barclay brothers have more limited reach.

The Guardian's reportage is still very good, I think the best of the main newspapers (and not because of its left winged-ness but because the Telegraph has absolutely collapsed). Just... treat CiF very skeptically.