Brexit was supposed to make the country better off according to the proponents, so for a cabinet of Brexiteers to present a manifesto that paints the country as needing to cut back even more once we're out of the EU was always going to go down like a sack of shit.
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Brexit was supposed to make the country better off according to the proponents, so for a cabinet of Brexiteers to present a manifesto that paints the country as needing to cut back even more once we're out of the EU was always going to go down like a sack of shit.
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I was wondering how long it would be before that happened. I mean, in general I'm glad there are people selfless enough to give themselves to such unrewarding roles as what Kezia has had to do, but I'd be lying if I said I thought she'd been any good at it.
Bonen no Max'd
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Dugdale is a Blairite, right?
No. The number of blairites left in the labour party leadership can be counted on one hand. Just being centre left doesn't make someone a blairite.
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Brown sponsored Balls sponsored Cooper sponsored Dugdale, in terms of intra-party alliance-making and so on. Dugdale is a Brownite, not a Blairite. Maledict is right insofar as that there's almost no Blairites left in the Labour Party now - Blair wasn't very good at raising ideological successors (at least, not ones who were very successful - Purnell and Miliband the elder both collapsed quite quickly).
Bonen no Max'd
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is there a real ideological difference between Brown-ism and Blair-ism?
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Brownites felt the tiniest pangs of guilt tickling their consciences.
More seriously, it's a matter of degrees, but Brownites tended to be slightly more skeptical about market-logic reforms of public services, more concerned with growing inequality (Brown frequently clashed with Blair in private over this; Blair wasn't at all concerned that inequality by some metrics rose since the standard of living for the poorest was rising, Brown thought that inequality was in itself to some degree harmful), Blairites tended to be more internationalists and more strongly in favour of the EU/other international institutions whereas I think Brownites were very skeptical of it - not negative, I do literally mean skeptical, they tended to see it as utopianism.
It's a slim gap, and nothing at all compared to, say, the gap between Brownism and Corbynism (rather large), but there were differences.
Huw_Dawson
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Shamelessly stolen from Twitter:
The UK's Prime Minister May
Announced her intention to stay
But Tory MP's're
Advising Theresa
She might have to call it a day.
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Conference season is coming up! Hope the various political folk here enjoy their respective ones if they are going.
The UK's Prime Minister May
Announced her intention to stay
But Tory MP's're
Advising Theresa
She might have to call it a day.
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Conference season is coming up! Hope the various political folk here enjoy their respective ones if they are going.
CyclopsRock
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You know how people talk about how the Olympic village is just a giant fuck fest? Are the conferences a bit like that? I mean, lord knows no one can go for the speeches.
Asking for a friend.
Asking for a friend.
JonathanEx
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I remember hearing that all the gay apps light up at some of them though, particularly a lot of Tories on Grindr?
Linkstrikesback
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Yes, the Tory conference will be a giant fuck fest, but not the kind of fucking you're thinking of.
Psychotext
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glol
Bonen no Max'd
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nice
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Any bets for the contents of Mrs. May's Mystery Monologue on September 21st?
heard she's going to stand and sing God Save The Queen enthusiastically.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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She's going to pull a Yukio Mishima. i.e. attempt to rouse the people's patriotic spirit and then disembowel herself when she fails
It's something that would cause negotiations to be delayed, so it's obviously a release date for Half Life 3.
More realistically, I think she'll just reiterate her demands for a transition deal and say that she's willing to walk away.
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Plausible, plausible.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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I know right? We haven't had a decent political suicide since Stephen Milligan
Spuck-uk
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She's going to announce they're (temporarily) storming out of the Brexit negotiations (to try and look strong and stable). It will be a huge embarrassing waste of time.
Wasn't this leaked earlier in the year in the Times?
Maybe they just happen to be the best people for their rol-pffffha ha ha ha sorry I can't finish that sentence
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Labour's shadow cabinet is agreed on a whipped vote against the Repeal Bill.
Labour definitely seems to be shedding its strategy of confusion and helpful obfuscation on Brexit right now. Am guessing they also feel an election isn't coming anything soon therefore they want to be in the right side of things in the long run.
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That is my perception as well. Now the threat of an imminent general election has faded (if only because the Conservatives have realised they don't actually have anyone better than May...), Labour can prepare for the long game, and wants to be on the right side when things go tits up.
Seeing as Mogg is favorite. They are fucked.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
There isn't any new blood. Nobody is going to want to seize the leadership, especially if they are an up-and-comer, in such a situation.
Dirtyshubb
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Speaking of Mogg, did anyone see the interview on Novara media with the leader of the Activate UK account?
https://youtu.be/Y1byFK5uwcE
The guy basically comes across as someone with absolutely no political knowledge and his only ideas are to get Mogg in power because he represents conservative values and..... That's it.
Really fucking cringe worthy (and I hate that term) and he even manages to look suspect on his opinion of the alt right and them being the same.
Props to novara getting him on, he is 'the enemy' and he ruined any shred of credibility (lol) activate may have had left.
https://youtu.be/Y1byFK5uwcE
The guy basically comes across as someone with absolutely no political knowledge and his only ideas are to get Mogg in power because he represents conservative values and..... That's it.
Really fucking cringe worthy (and I hate that term) and he even manages to look suspect on his opinion of the alt right and them being the same.
Props to novara getting him on, he is 'the enemy' and he ruined any shred of credibility (lol) activate may have had left.
Well no one wants to right now, Once May falls on the Brexit sword they'll start popping up.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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Double Edit: my facts were straight all along!
That Novara interview with the supposed Activate founder is fake. The Activate facebook page is claiming that their twitter account which publicised the interview was hacked, another member of Activate has tweeted that it was fake, and the "founder" bears a startling resemblance to one of the Novara staff.
It's a joke, and not a very good one. But then self-publicising stunts are about all Bastani and the rest of the Novara wankers are good for these days
That Novara interview with the supposed Activate founder is fake. The Activate facebook page is claiming that their twitter account which publicised the interview was hacked, another member of Activate has tweeted that it was fake, and the "founder" bears a startling resemblance to one of the Novara staff.
It's a joke, and not a very good one. But then self-publicising stunts are about all Bastani and the rest of the Novara wankers are good for these days
TomWaitsForNoMan
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He's Boris Johnson with less baggage
Dirtyshubb
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The more you know.
I have enjoyed most of the stuff of theirs I have seen (not a lot to be fair) and agree with most stuff they say. I do disagree with Aaron on some stuff though.
If this is fake then that really is shitty and I'm not particularly happy about it.
If it was parody I could understand but it needs to be clearly labelled. Otherwise it just comes across as being disingenuous and lying.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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I'd like them more if:
a) Aaron wasn't such an opportunistic snake who jumps from one position to another based on what he thinks will be good for his career. Seriously, he's gone from Lib Dem to Green to Anarchist to Labour within a few years, not to mention that he spent months making what he claimed was a left wing case for Brexit before changing his mind on the eve of the vote
b) They didn't give platforms to rape apologists like George Galloway (and others who aren't as famous), and if a couple of their editors/collaborators weren't involved in wrecking an investigation into a sexual assault a few years back
c) They were capable of accepting comradely and constructive criticism in the spirit in which it's offered rather than being macho, bullying dickheads about anyone who questions anything they do
d) if their work was based on actual political principle rather than being a ham-fisted attempt at getting themselves media careers and/or becoming the new Spiked!
Sorry for the rant, I'd dearly love a socialist media org with their level of exposure/penetration, but Novara itself is run by a shower of utter utter bastards
Dirtyshubb
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I knew about the Galloway thing and saw their apology video and new rules were put in place but not of the other people.
Also saw the left wing brexit video in their playlist which was actually the thing that made me start to question Aaron. Didn't know about the other changes he has made too.
It's really shitty, I was on the look out for a progressive channel /platform to follow on UK politics since we seem to lack it compared to the US. To find out that they can be that shitty is rather disheartening.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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The hilarious thing is those new rules were originally promised years ago after another similar incident, but nothing ever came of it. It's only after people started boycotting them and pulling donations after the Galloway thing that they finally published them. They then went on to be braying dickheads about it so clearly they didn't actually learn anything
EDIT: I should mention that the boycott was in part started by the survivor of the assault I mentioned earlier, and in response both Aaron and James doubled down on the anonymous letter that was circulated years ago which effectively blamed her for her own assault. So fuck 'em
Dirtyshubb
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Really sad to hear, it just makes them as bad as the right wing. It's especially frustrating because the left have the factual and moral high ground to fight the right without having to resort to that sort of stuff.
CyclopsRock
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James Forsyth made the point that a PM is never more powerful than immediately before a reshuffle, and as such it might be in her interests to keep the timing of it... ambiguous. There's obviously an element of boy-who-cried-wolf about it, but she can just deploy it whenever she wants so I guess people affected by either the carrot (promotion) or stick (sacking) have to stay in line, almost indefinitely.
At least til the party conference, maybe.
At least til the party conference, maybe.
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