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(UK) Theresa May to praise Donald Trump: "Britain and US can lead together again"
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Nope, the Britain I love is gone. Even the Britain of 5-6 years ago seems like a distant memory. We're never going back either, the next 2-3 years (by the way they're going) will be irreparable and I'm looking for every opportunity off this island and on to the continent, the fascists and close-minded bigots can have it.
Are we shocked by this? It's like a bedrock of the Home Counties Little Englander national self-image that the British Empire was great stuff and we've really gone downhill as a nation now that we don't go around invading other countries and plundering their resources. See also Gove rallying against 'Marxist' academics for arguing that the Empire might not have been the wonderful, benign civilising mission it was portrayed as.
Whatever your view of the British Empire, the absolute last thing you should be shocked by is a Tory MP referring to it with rosy nostalgic language.
John Dunbar
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would you like to see britannia rule again, my friend?
thehypocrite
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Lol. Nah May. The only leading you'll do will be to Doom, Despair and Destruction.
ReplacementPelican
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Yeah, I know. I'm much more happy with something negative being borne out of repercussions of idiocy than out of actively voting for someone as despicable as Trump.
Small thing, I know. Plus, its hardly like the Tories would do anything but suck up to America. Bright side is, most people dislike Trump and feeding his ego seems to get you whatever you want so he may be easy enough to manipulate on the international stage, it seems to have worked out so far for Putin.
SporeCrawler
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great last time blair and bush have brought us the iraq invasion which has destabilized the region immensely. cant wait for trump and may to wreck havok everywhere (but this time under the influence of russia).
UK is US lapdog but US are now Russias lapdog.....so are we going to Ukraine, Israel, Syria or will we be obvious and hit up Iraq again?
Hamster Plugin
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This is what they want. This is not actually about sovereignty, it's about conservative values. That is why Trump being in bed with Russia does not matter, because Russia has extremely conservative values and is a good ally to the US Republicans and UK Tories.
If France elects Le Pen, you will see US, UK and Russia ally with them as well. But if they elect a lefty, they won't. Any country that gets a far-right government will be a potential ally.
SprachBrooks
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Britain (England specifically) are still the only people proud of their colonial past and feudalism. It's so bizarre nationalism of this kind is why nationalism gets a bad rep. They need to stop with the nostalgia and realise UK isn't what they think it is.
SprachBrooks
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Your reaction to this is exactly what they want. It's a process of homogenisation, and anyone with heterogeneous sympathies will feel unwanted. I mean, you gotta give it to them, it's working...but it'll only end up being to their detriment.
By the way, I'm with you on looking for opportunities to leave but we must remember, this is a Europe-wide change of consciousness. France, Netherlands, Italy are all adopting similarly imperialist homogenous stances.
SprachBrooks
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Gotta miss a liar and a war criminal eh!
Another dangerous reaction to all of this is accepting terrible human beings as being better than what we have now.
Let's not say things we can't take back.
Things might be bad but they're not that bad.
The woman sucking up to an American president has you missing the guy who sucked up to an American president then launched a possibly illegal war in Iraq?
Seems like a rather bizarre sentiment to me.
I'm also an Australian citizen. My family are still out there as I came back to the UK in 2011. I'm constantly thinking about returning Down Under and my family would be thrilled if I did which makes it all the more tempting.
But then, thinking about it, if I bail out and leave right when shit hits the fan here, I'm also bailing on every single vulnerable person here in Britain who does not have the same options as me and will be hit far harder by Brexit and Trump than I will be.
I feel like I have a duty to finally stand up and do something about all this. The problem is, I need to overcome my social shyness and general fear of conflict if I'm going to do it and I worry I'm too weak to.
But I need to start fighting for the values that I believe in and I think there are many others like me here too.
She's going over there to offer him the family silver in the vain hope he offers her a something she can come home with and say
"See we are a global player ! America <3's UK !"
PJV3
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blazinglord
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I wouldn't say proud per se, and don't get get me wrong, I know the consequences of colonialism are still felt to this day. But I think that a lot of people believe that on the whole, Britain, while obviously motivated by self-interest, was a force for good. I think the world would look very different and far less globalised if the British Empire hadn't existed. Or worst, perhaps the vacuum would have been filled by an even worse imperial power.
QuicheFontaine
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Oh what rubbish! Sure, the referendum was "advisory" but you can't ignore the political reality of the situation. If she didn't follow through with Brexit she'd just be pushed out and replaced with someone who would.
And they would be wrong. Also, they could have also been filled by a much better imperial power. Britain was particularly horrific in its empire building.
By orchestrating govern overthrows, installing your own puppet regimes while milking resources of said countries dry. If they do not agree, put sanctions on them until their people get on the streets to revolt. You then go to the UN and start a peace keeping mission. Calling for all parties to come on board, respect human rights and set a date for peaceful elections.
You then send retired parliamentarians over to said country to see for a peaceful transition of power.
No, I understand. But I've always had a small amount of family in Britain (despite being of British heritage) so as time goes on, less and less holds me here and at point in time, where the facts are so loud (amplification of the Internet etc.) but nobody's listening then there's little impact I can make here than if I went and lived somewhere else. I'm aware that the repercussions of these events will affect Europe and the wider world too.
There is rarely any thought to political reality in threads such as these.
There was still less determination to stay. And sadly in the end that is what counts.
Huw_Dawson
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If you want to do something about May, you can sign up to a political party and help defeat her and her party at the coming elections. If you're not a British national, you can still get involved, too!
Campaigning is a lot of fun. You spend a lot of time on your feet, delivering leaflets and talking to voters, and you'll meet plenty of people who share a desire to fix our country.
My pitch would be for folks to join the Lib Dems. We're run the best campaigns and we're the clearest opposition party to May. But getting involved at all is what is important.
Campaigning is a lot of fun. You spend a lot of time on your feet, delivering leaflets and talking to voters, and you'll meet plenty of people who share a desire to fix our country.
My pitch would be for folks to join the Lib Dems. We're run the best campaigns and we're the clearest opposition party to May. But getting involved at all is what is important.
SymbiantXenos
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Soon as Scotland gain independence im moving.
Just wanted to second this. While you will meet the occasional wanker, it's generally a worthwhile activity. I had a lot of fun out campaigning for Sadik Khan in the mayoral elections.
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Like it or not, that was an option she had.
No one expected her to ignore it, she could, but no one would expect her to. But no one sure as hell asked her to ignore the other half of the voters who didn't want to leave at all. She used the referendum to make it as though the british people have all voted for full-on break from the European Union, and is using it to advance her own political gain at the cost of the country's wellbeing.
You yourself are admitting her decision was politically motivated. She has always had the choice to leave the EU in a rational way that respected the outcome of the election (Soft-brexit), but didn't make this choice.
Frankfurter
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The world seems to get crazier by the day. Trump and May... fuck this shit.
What's the point when you've got papers like the daily mail shaping the views of large parts of the country. DM's reach and influence is unparalleled and it is allowed to freely put out bullshit. It's the most read online newspaper. Throw in social media's viral effect and you've got something that's very difficult to go up against.
Audioboxer
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NeloAnjelo
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Disgusting... Some think the British Empire still exists, and will come into existence once again. All hail Trump... hope she doesn't forget to bow and kiss his ring. Oh and Trump will "Grab her by the pussy" before signing any Trade deals...
-Plasma Reus-
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Sturgeon should wait a few years. See how this May and Trump adventure fairs, then use it.
The majority of people want to remain in the single market, but she has no intentions of respecting that mandate.
Increasingly irrelevant.
From "getting special treatment by superpower EU" to "Hello? Anyone? Please?"
And that just within one election. And people think their vote doesn't matter.
Huw_Dawson
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It's hard to go up against sometimes, but that's why you actively campaign!
By delivering leaflets and talking to voters, you can present reality to voters who otherwise would only get their information from the Mail or whatever.
You also start small. This year is a great time to get into campaigning, because there is a smattering of local elections and mayoral elections happening now, but everyone is now beginning to think about the plan for 2020.
Lots of people have got involved. Obviously the Labour Party's membership has surged thanks to Momentum, but the LDs are also reporting all-time high numbers of members.
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