hell yeah he is. play killa and tell me spiderman isn't really good.
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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT2| New Age of Zeroes
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Professor Beef
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THAT GODDAMN SPIDER IS A MENACE
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
He only got a couple of nerfs but got way more legit buffs. He is overall a better character now and is a huge problem when played properly. A tier character.
Yipes playing the Sons of Sparda featuring Magneto. Like he should've been playing since day 1. A DMC fan like Yipes plus the guy who is known for playing Magnus as his TRADEMARK shouldn't be playing anything else when these 3 go together so well.
His other team Spencer team is mad scary too but this team is more certified Yipes.
http://www.own3d.tv/nycfurby
Yipes use of Dante's Crystal assist on that team is exquisite. A true player of the Sons of Sparda.
biosnake20
Member
Oh god yes that is the team I've wanted him to play since day one.
Oh maaan, what have I missed out on... Watching now.
Killa Sasa
Member
DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE HE'S JUST A CRUMMY SPENCER
:3
Honestly, without his changes in Ultimate, he'd be so much worse. His neutral game would've been so yuck that you'd deserve to get web throw'd to death if he could manage to hit you.
Webface is da bess now. Which makes me fear Capcpom will screw him up in the next version should there be one.
scytheavatar
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He hasn't really moved up or down in UMvC3, he does less damage now but he got a lot of good buffs (especially cancellable web ball). However, the fundamental problem of him having some of the worst normals in this game, not having a lot of ways to open people up and it being very difficult to hit confirm with him still remains. Until those problems are fixed he's annoying but never really dangerous.
As long as Spider Man stays under the radar and doesn't win anything substantial he is safe .
Only reason why his Web Throw thing got fixed was because people were spamming the shit out of it in videos on SRK. I pretty much saw a Spider Man TOD on SRK almost every week.
Only reason why his Web Throw thing got fixed was because people were spamming the shit out of it in videos on SRK. I pretty much saw a Spider Man TOD on SRK almost every week.
What?
Yipes' Dante is still the best. His Wesker is also very legit, compared to so many other Weskers I see.
I'd rather face the army of Spencers than the army of Spider-Mans. At least I can hit Spencer.
hahahahhahaahahaha
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
Welp. My brother learned how to use Crown Swords properly. *throws controller in the air*
Oh my @ the Spidey talk
Oh my @ the Spidey talk
SolarKnight
Member
I'd rather face an army of ANYTHING than one of Spider-Mans. Zero, the trench coats, Morrigan, Doom, Phoenix, Spencer? Bring it on. Spider-Man? Hell fucking no get him away from me!
Professor Beef
Banned
It's scytheavatar, guys. I thought everyone learned to ignore his advice long ago.
http://www.twitch.tv/live_oratory
Marlin is playing Abegen.
I have no idea how Abegen makes that shit work. Tron/Thor/SheHulk? 3 pretty shitty characters overall? Hes still doing well
Marlin is playing Abegen.
I have no idea how Abegen makes that shit work. Tron/Thor/SheHulk? 3 pretty shitty characters overall? Hes still doing well
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Only played like 3 games 
@Oldschoolgamer: I "taught" my brother how much bullshit Spiral Sword formations are when I counter picked his Team Anime with a Vergil with Doom Missiles and Morrigan meter assist. Now he's subconsciously trained to blow up Morrigan or Verg before I get any momentum going.
Crown Swords is fucking godlike and any team composition that allows you to use it multiple times in a match is not to be underestimated.
@Frantic: I remember saying the same thing about Yipes' Dante, but a few folks sword by everything that Rich Nyguen was better. Honestly, they're both the tops but take things in different directions. It's like Marn and Flocker's Zero. One goes for styling and max damage but can have the entire match decided against themselves for a flubbed part of the combo while the other one maximizes on the "harassment" style of play, going in only when a very blatant mistake has been made.
@scythe: Seriously man, what? Are you competing with DR2K for best troll posts?
@Dahbomb: At this point, I think I'm responsible for the lion's share of the better Zero memes (the one you posted included). This shit is too easy for me. :lol
Crown Swords is fucking godlike and any team composition that allows you to use it multiple times in a match is not to be underestimated.
@Frantic: I remember saying the same thing about Yipes' Dante, but a few folks sword by everything that Rich Nyguen was better. Honestly, they're both the tops but take things in different directions. It's like Marn and Flocker's Zero. One goes for styling and max damage but can have the entire match decided against themselves for a flubbed part of the combo while the other one maximizes on the "harassment" style of play, going in only when a very blatant mistake has been made.
@scythe: Seriously man, what? Are you competing with DR2K for best troll posts?
@Dahbomb: At this point, I think I'm responsible for the lion's share of the better Zero memes (the one you posted included). This shit is too easy for me. :lol
SolarKnight
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lol, I was trying to get "God of Destruction tier" in there somehow but couldn't think of a good way to do it, maybe you could find one
He has team synergy on that team for basically any way the team is ordered. Any touch on his team is a kill. The problem with that team (aside from being pretty free to keep away) is She Hulk on anchor when she can serve much better with Thor under Mighty Spark. But he even makes anchor She Hulk work like fucking Wesker.
Most characters duck under the beam but She Hulk can just run up and grab them. It's mad cheap.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Richard Ngyuen was just playing a Vergil/Wolverine/Akuma team on the runback. Don't know if it's something he's keeping or not, he did lose with it.
I don't think Spider Man and Wesker compete for the same play style at all. It's really Spider Man and Spencer, who has a shit ton of derp and easy mode fat hit stun j.H plus easy air throw combos. Spider Man has more intricate tools to play around with and a superior runaway game. It's really the whole X-23 vs Wolverine thing.
Also apparently X-23 is like top tier at Netherlands. All their good players use X-23 and they are damn good with her. Different meta games are always interesting, hell we have different meta games even in the US.
Maybe there is a country where Iron Man is top tier...
Also apparently X-23 is like top tier at Netherlands. All their good players use X-23 and they are damn good with her. Different meta games are always interesting, hell we have different meta games even in the US.
Maybe there is a country where Iron Man is top tier...
Professor Beef
Banned
I'm thinking about making another new team. Maybe Nemesis/Wesker/Arthur (just because I like anchor Arthur). I like the zoning team I made, but I'm SO BAD with Hawkeye since i can never remember the inputs for his flippy arrows.
In case I end up dropping Arthur, who else works well with Nemesis and Wesker? Actually, who works with Nemesis, Wesker and Arthur in general?
I'm currently considering changing my team order somewhat to get the optimal mileage out of it. Right now, it's Dante (Jam Session)/Ammy (Cold Shots)/Strder (Vajira) and it's worked in a few areas, most notably DHC synergies (especially from Ammy to Strider) and beneficial neutral assists. I'm wondering though if maybe I'll handle Strider play better if I'm backed with Cold Shots. Amaterasu is a great anchor herself too.
What say you Mahvel-GAF?
What say you Mahvel-GAF?
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I should put Wesker on the wallbounce assist like that guy in that video. I just put him on otg assist out of habit.
DR2K
Banned
I think she's way underutilized, freaking amazing character. She builds no damn meter though, for whatever reason I NEVER have meter with her, lol.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
You going to start playing Nemesis? Somebody call
I think Nemesis and Wesker work well together. I think it was Unknown that uses the otg assist to set up resets with Nemesis.
The Runback: http://www.twitch.tv/leveluplive
You probably want some assists for combo extenders and use the Talon -> Crescent cancel a lot for combos (good damage/meter gain). Of course it's best to save the meter for the reset and oki game as X-23 has IMO the best oki game in Marvel. Of course if you have her down the order a bit, you can build a lot of meter from XF kills and then do Dirt Nap for the cheap stuff.
You probably want some assists for combo extenders and use the Talon -> Crescent cancel a lot for combos (good damage/meter gain). Of course it's best to save the meter for the reset and oki game as X-23 has IMO the best oki game in Marvel. Of course if you have her down the order a bit, you can build a lot of meter from XF kills and then do Dirt Nap for the cheap stuff.
Professor Beef
Banned
I've been using Team Armor to troll people and some friends online for quite a while now. It's fun stuff.
I think I know what resets you're talking about. They involve Nemesis' air command throws, right?
Oh man Fanatiq with the pop off. Justin Marvelous Wong vs Dios X now.
I really can't get behind Felicia on point on Justin's team. He has two ways of getting Frank to LVL4-5 without having to spend 3 bars or TAC.
Start Nova -> DHC into Frank
Start Nova -> DHC into Felicia Kitty Helper -> Raw Tag Frank
Either Nova/Felicia/Frank or Nova/Frank/Felicia. I would take the 2nd one due to derp Felicia LVL3 XF.
Edit: Royal Flush vs DiosX up now
OK... We now have the most GODLIKE THOR COMEBACK IN HISTORY OF MARVEL!!!! Shit was godlike hype! It was pretty much entirely without XF against 3 characters that are zoning specialists.
I really can't get behind Felicia on point on Justin's team. He has two ways of getting Frank to LVL4-5 without having to spend 3 bars or TAC.
Start Nova -> DHC into Frank
Start Nova -> DHC into Felicia Kitty Helper -> Raw Tag Frank
Either Nova/Felicia/Frank or Nova/Frank/Felicia. I would take the 2nd one due to derp Felicia LVL3 XF.
Edit: Royal Flush vs DiosX up now
OK... We now have the most GODLIKE THOR COMEBACK IN HISTORY OF MARVEL!!!! Shit was godlike hype! It was pretty much entirely without XF against 3 characters that are zoning specialists.
Tron was the best character in Vanilla with those TOD combos with half a bar starting, ez. Worked anywhere on screen, and all you needed was Sent Drones/OTG.
That's a terrible team of all point characters. Word of advice, troll his ass Firebrand and Iron Man Repulsor Blast. Spam fireballs and go for random "Kidnaps". Then start snapping in his Vergil for mix ups under Repulsor Blast. Repulsor is one of the best anti teleport assists in the game along with being very good against Zero. Alternatively you can try out Log Trap.
Vergil IS the premiere anti-XF/comeback character in the game.
Wow that was a great set. Royal Flush edges it out with Joe at the end.
LLND vs Noel Brown right now... LLND going IN!
Professor Beef
Banned
Like i said in the other thread, Royal Flush is a lucky motherfucker.
I love X-23, her sheer speed, self-OTG, crossup potential, DHC synergy and XF3 capabilities make her easily A-tier. Unfortunately her lack of health and the fact that it takes all 99 Mahvel seconds just to build a single bar with her means she isn't quite S-tier. I still play her and Dormammu though, I just need to find a good third character. I used to use Wesker but it just feels... wrong using Wesker.
Professor Beef
Banned
Someone sent me hate mail because I was shooting his Hulk with Wesker.
Professor Beef
Banned
There's something oddly funny about beating someone twice in Ranked, only to have Arthur say "I didn't even have to beat you twice!"
Why is this not on the archives!
Truth of the matter is that I need to sit the fuck down and just grind for a few weeks, just master the dirtiest shit possible with my team and maybe get a moderate understanding of the other characters I've taken a liking to. When I'm losing not because I don't know what to do but because I can't apply it consistently I feel fucking robbed. It's even worse when I can see just how bad/cobbled together his teams can be (seriously, he plays more like they're three characters in a row rather than maximizing how they work as a group) and yet I fall for the dumbest things. (Lack of Wesker experience really got me when he started messing with him; the jump loop does an absurd level of damage for just H-S and that's one of his only approaches with the character. Problem is, if I eat even a handful of that while I'm trying to zone his ass out with Air Play/Hysterics, I'm the one winding up bleeding out while he hasn't taken anywhere near normal damage. Also WTF is up with Wesker's air grab? Shit is some fucking vortex shit, I swear. :lol)
The worst part about it is that I always have "bursts" of decent play where everything clicks and it's a literal nightmare for my bro. Apparently the character my brother hates the most genuinely when I play is my Dante because I love me some resets and gully mixup/unblockable setups.
sixteen-bit
Member
What's this about Hsienko can throw Spencer out of Bionic arm?
Gold Armor, son! It don't give a F!
Do you have any youtube videos?
The thing is that he has the PR Balrog mentality of picking 3 easy to play, easy to win with characters and turn the game into 3 1v1s. It sort of works because it minimizes happy birthdays and he saves the X factor at the end for the most powerful anchor. Even if you run a train through his first time, he's got the best one at the back that can run through your team even faster.
At lower levels this works because people don't have good spacing, blocking or fundamentals meaning they can't keep out a teleporting character or air throw on reaction, they usually get hit by a standard Teleport H into BnB. If you play a complex character you are too busy trying to control your character and figuring out which tool to use when (especially difficult with characters like Dante/Ammy who have so many tools) whereas he isn't playing the character, he is fighting you as a player. Lower level zoning is also not that effective unless you have a top assist like Drones/Missiles.
You need to be worrying less about what tech you can master in the lab and focus more on reading him as a player. Pick up on tendencies and restrict his options. Fight him on a fundamental level, once you can match him on a fundamental level then you can apply additional tools to dominate the match. Does he up/back a lot? Go for dash under anti-airs or air throws. Does he go for air throws a lot? Bait the j.H then go for an air throw or punish of your own. Does he advance guard a lot? Bait it by staggering strings. Does he like to press a lot of buttons? Frame trap him with stuff like Crystal. Does he teleport a lot? Read the teleport and air throw/punish it. Does he down/back a lot? IAD j.M cross up. Which directions does he tech in the air and on the ground? Develop mix ups that hit him on his more desired tech options. Does he ALWAYS use LVL3XF for his final character? Snap him in first or save your XF until he burns his so you can blow up his Vergil sword attacks with an XFC of your own.
If all else fails... put Firebrand on your team of Dante + Ammy and start going for Dive kicks, Kidnaps, instant overheads and Unblockables all day long with the two lockdown assists of Jam Session and Cold Shots (one for aerial lock down/incoming mix ups the other for ground/oki mix ups). Firebrand can do whatever the hell he wants against characters like Weskers if he doesn't have an assist to back him up. As long as he wants to play Wesker without Strider, your Firebrand or other aerial characters are going to rule over him. You want to make life hell for him, grief him into changing his tactics that's the only way he will get less scrubby at team compositions.
Yeah, you're right Dah. I am a bit lacking in fundamentals although I do try to play and get an understanding of that much. At this point, it's a weird situation where I have to pick between reading and feeling him out or making the most of what I know of my team. I can't handle both at the same time yet, but I feel like I'm getting closer to the goal every day.
For the most part, Of the things you've mentioned, its a lot of up back combined with dealing with hit and run that blows me up. I get overzealous that one time thinking I should convert into max damage on that instance and something whiffs or I flub an input and the fun doesn't stop on his end. I also need to get better at things like Guard Cancel X-Factor counters and (quite literally) pressing buttons. I hate when I telegraph an assist-teleport setup because I can't down-down or RDP while calling the assist more discreetly.
That being said, I was thinking about messing around with Firebrand recently. I want to play a character with some good air mobility and he fits the bill pretty well. Kidnapping unblockables (shoutouts to Armshouse, this is the best term ever coined for a move in Marvel) sound like extra icing on the cake.
Damn, this post really makes me want to play Marvel-GAF though just for the critiques and tips. I need to get some Live asap.
For the most part, Of the things you've mentioned, its a lot of up back combined with dealing with hit and run that blows me up. I get overzealous that one time thinking I should convert into max damage on that instance and something whiffs or I flub an input and the fun doesn't stop on his end. I also need to get better at things like Guard Cancel X-Factor counters and (quite literally) pressing buttons. I hate when I telegraph an assist-teleport setup because I can't down-down or RDP while calling the assist more discreetly.
That being said, I was thinking about messing around with Firebrand recently. I want to play a character with some good air mobility and he fits the bill pretty well. Kidnapping unblockables (shoutouts to Armshouse, this is the best term ever coined for a move in Marvel) sound like extra icing on the cake.
Damn, this post really makes me want to play Marvel-GAF though just for the critiques and tips. I need to get some Live asap.
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