WesternHeretic
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I would put RDK's Trish over Jago or at least on the same level.
Phoenix Wright should be GX
Hulk maybe Artola? Or some other Japanese Hulk.
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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT2| New Age of Zeroes
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I would put RDK's Trish over Jago or at least on the same level.
Phoenix Wright should be GX
Hulk maybe Artola? Or some other Japanese Hulk.
Yipes is the answer. I believe ever since that showing he had at live oratory last week. Also, nice to see more people realize that Derpgil is the anti-character specialist. He's basically a cosmic fuck you as an anchor.
has noel realized that frank has an anti air super yet, or is he still playing training mode frank?
Professor Beef
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He knows. He was trolling people with it + Wesker's gunshot assist a while back.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I should probably be stealing things from Abegen...
crimsonspider89
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On other news, MvC3 outsold SFxT by a shit ton. Yeah, a lot.
ANNNNNDDDDD at Chicago comic con, Marvel hinted at a GoTG movie and Ant Man and Strange. Go Rocket.
MvC3 sold about a million by the end of the first month, SFxT only 500k. So UMvC3 did better than it.
ANNNNNDDDDD at Chicago comic con, Marvel hinted at a GoTG movie and Ant Man and Strange. Go Rocket.
MvC3 sold about a million by the end of the first month, SFxT only 500k. So UMvC3 did better than it.
With a smaller budget/advertisment to boot.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Should have put all that PAYPUH towards a MVC3 reality show.
DeadPhoenix9065
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never mind...again
never mind...again
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Karsticles
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Darkstalkers by Christmas IMO.
It'll be a rush project.
Personally, I rarely use Liberations for flare, and I prefer to keep them for pure utility. Do you know what 2D1C beats when you Liberate it in the air above someone? Pretty much everything, and it has huge frame advantage to boot. It's my #1 defense against Wesker players. That, and liberating 0D2C from the air, which CAN be stopped, but the player has to pretty much time his attack perfectly to stop it.
Yeah, I read that conversation and I have to disagree. The fact is that Dormammu pretty much only has the possibility of a teleport mix-up going for him, while Vergil has that and his general rushdown pressure. If Dormammu uses Dark Matter, Vergil teleports, which Dormammu has to respond to by teleporting, which leaves him in a far more awkward situation than Vergil and he has the possibility of getting his inputs reversed to throw out Purification M.
IMO, most of the cast has an answer to Stalking Flare, and I say that as something of a "Stalking Flare specialist". Ghost Rider can just dash forward and do f.H - it goes right through the Flare. Wesker superjumps into gunshot, etc. Characters who seem to have no response at all include Doom and Trish (plus all the obvious characters like Haggar). I've yet to meet a Hawkeye that didn't assume Gimlet just goes through Stalking Flare, and just dies as a result, though.
Sure, but if both teams are constructed well, I think it's in Vergil's favor.
Most of SRK ranks just above stream monster. As a member of GAF, SRK, and GFAQs, I don't think any of the websites understands fighters any better than the other, though certainly all three websites have particular individuals that I respect the opinion of.
I know he's not the best Dante, but Nguyen (sp?) always felt like the guy who "understood" Dante the most. He's the only guy that seems to respect that the character should be about style.
Wesker should definitely be down there, but if you're putting Dormammu at 900K I want Flame Carpet to stay when he gets hit again.
I'm just going to comment on the ones I don't like/understand:
[*]X-factor no longer gives stat boosts, instead unique abilities like Dark Force
There's way too much potential for certain characters to get screwed over, and it would take a lot of development time. I get where you're coming from, but I think the actuality would be far from the fantasy.
[*]X-factor can be used as a Burst during Hitstun, but ends immediately, can't be comboed
I see where you are going with this, but I think it defeats the point of X-Factor as a comeback mechanic. It already has a lot of things built into it, and I don't think it benefits from having more.
[*]Using X-factor as a guard cancel ends it immediately
Why? X-Factor guard cancels aren't even dangerous. Or at least they wouldn't be if people shaped the fuck up and started snapping it back on reaction. It was PAINFUL to see Morrigan get XF guard canceled by Wesker. It has been known for so long that if a character has a command normal f.H, you can throw your opponent out of the XF guard cancel because he is not in hit/blockstun. Morrigan just took it, though. I think the game already has answers to this that people just aren't respecting.
[*]Characters always face their opponents in the air
This would be a ridiculously big buff to air dashes.
[*]Flight can be activated multiple times for a combined total # of frames per jump
I don't understand what you are conveying here.
[*]ceiling height lowered slightly
Explain this.
[*]Crossover Counters have 45 frames of invincibility
The end of all blockstrings?
[*]EX versions of most/all special moves, hypers done with 3 buttons
I need some convincing on this one. Tell me what would make EX Soul Fist worth a bar of meter.
[*]Air tags can't be countered, air tags don't steal/build meter, air tags end combo
I think TACs should be reworked as follows:
1) Do not reset hitstun scaling.
2) Cannot be countered.
3) Cost 1 meter.
4) Can be done off of any aerial attack, not just launched ones.
[*]Snap Backs cost 1/2 bar
Why? They're already so good.
[*]Taunting removes 1 bar from both players after completion
Why?
Do you have a link for that? I'm not doubting you, I'd just like to see where all the numbers stand.
crimsonspider89
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Got 6th. Was expected to sell more than Vanilla Marvel.
RE: ORC sold 528k at #2. So yeah. Up on EventHubs. Numbers not out yet. They expected to sell 2 million, soo quite a big flop.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/...ekken-6th-best-seller-video-games-march-2012/
RE: ORC sold 528k at #2. So yeah. Up on EventHubs. Numbers not out yet. They expected to sell 2 million, soo quite a big flop.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/...ekken-6th-best-seller-video-games-march-2012/
IF you nerf Weskers health more (It was nerfed already with Ultimate), he at least needs his rhino charge super in vanilla levels and not the shitty ultimate version. His gun shot is already nerfed which hurts his longer ranged game, and his close range game sucks vs top tier melle characters like Zero and Wolverine.
SolarPowered
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Why nerf Dormammu's health? The guy has a big hitbox like Sent and he isn't nearly as bullshit as Wesker. The only nerfs he needs are related to system wide X-Factor Speed and Damage(emphasis on the damage) nerfs.
It'll be scheduled for a 2013 April release, but gets rushed a couple of months like Mahvel to January because Capcom's numbers don't look so hot after SFxT and ORC's precipitous drop in sales post first month. The game will ship with sixteen characters. Someone at Capcom forgot to toss in lobbies and the only new character will be Amingo. The intro cutscene will place Dante and Vergil at the center of the story/conflict implying they are DLC like Guy and Cody. When the game finally launches we find out they are disc locked DLC along with Ruby Hear(whose name is spelled incorrectly to boot), Anak and Pyron for a summer release. Also, they will rename gems to crystals.
Yeah
Capcom should have treated the Marvel vs Capcom series better. It had way more potential than Cross.
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Rush by Christmas? Let's do this right...
It'll be scheduled for a 2013 April release, but gets rushed a couple of months like Mahvel to January because Capcom's numbers don't look so hot after SFxT and ORC's precipitous drop in sales post first month. The game will ship with sixteen characters. Someone at Capcom forgot to toss in lobbies and the only new character will be Amingo. The intro cutscene will place Dante and Vergil at the center of the story/conflict implying they are DLC like Guy and Cody. When the game finally launches we find out they are disc locked DLC along with Ruby Hear(whose name is spelled incorrectly to boot), Anak and Pyron for a summer release. Also, they will rename gems to crystals.
Yeah
Dark force is an awesome concept, but this is exactly the thing that scares me the most about it with modern day Capcom. The best thing about Darkstalkers DF in a sequel is that their powers are already categorized. It'll be harder for them to fuck it up since they have an established baseline from the old games. I don't want to imagine what they'd think up in MvC.
Yeah... I don't think this is a good idea unless X-Factor has some sort of backlash effect. BB's burst drains your guard meter(can't remember exact name) which brings you closer to getting guard broken. That is way fairer than a straight reset where the opponent is stronger. I do think MvC needs some sort of burst mechanic though. Kudos to him on that much...
Make it soul drain and multi hit like her EX Soul fist in VSav. Maybe make it OTG if you want to go crazy. :3
Capcom won't give us numbers. Estimates probably range from 231k to maybe 400k if they get extremely lucky. The game had a full month's worth of tracking to boot. It's funny that they don't post the numbers for all the games.
Capcom should have treated the Marvel vs Capcom series better. It had way more potential than Cross.
This scares me. I had to scroll past it quick as hell.
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Professor Beef
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Remove glasses mechanic
Tone down XF bonuses slightly (since the glasses mechanic is gone)
Invincible Rhino Charge
This is how Wesker should be retooled.
shaowebb
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No MODOK? I think you should add Royal Flush and MODOK to this as well. Also LOL at the bolded.
Karsticles
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Rhino Charge is the only thing Wesker has that takes brains to use. I'm all for returning it to its Vanilla state.
This is why I can't play Super-Skrull. It leads me to doing dp.L for full-screen Purifications. -_-
I'm just setting my expectations low. Ono is 0/2 for making an advanced fighting game in my book.
Too optimistic IMO. ;-)
I think a lot depends right now on how Capcom execs are reading the SFxT failure. If they are smart and realize they need to stop the bullshit, it will be good for Darkstalkers. If they are stupid and think it's fighting game oversaturation, it will be bad for Darkstalkers. Personally, I'd buy a MvC3 update every 6 months at $40 a pop with 10 new characters, no matter who those new characters were.
Why would someone spend a whole bar to steal 1/3 of a bar unless you're fighting Phoenix?
I think that's a good start, but I still think a command dash on a teleporter is just fundamentally stupid.
"God's Beard!"
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Give Wesker an 8-way air Gun.
Karsticles
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Give Dormammu anti-air Dark Matter. :-D
Professor Beef
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Give Joe a global Slowdown for no meter.
Karsticles
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I actually think he should be able to trigger it at will for meter consumption like in the games. ;-)
Professor Beef
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My suggestion was more in-line with GB's wackadoo suggestion, but I would love to have this and his current Slow hyper as well.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Make Hsien-Ko greyed out so no one can play her. Therefore buffing all Hsien-Ko teams.
Karsticles
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XF2 available from the start? Aw yeah!
TheThunder
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I like FChamp's Magneto and JWong's Wolverine over anyone.
Killa Sasa
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Dorm is awesome and he is in my top 5 but that's when he's played extremely well and/or backed by solid assists (lol who doesn't this apply to), he's so good both ways. He ain't derp though and can be blown up, I just like how versatile he is and a lot of the properties on his moves. Dat damage too.
Just like Vanilla, I think he's the best example of the level every character would be at in a perfect Marvel.
That said, my top 5 (or even my top 1) isn't so far above everyone that they're untouchable or even considerably better. It's more of a push comes to shove list this character somewhere thing. Besides, there's so many good characters, and each character plays so drastically different depending on their assists. Dante goes from defensive control guy to auto mixup just by adding a good projectile assist. I hope people eventually tier by setup/concept, since that's what the game encourages anyway.
Unique powers: Joe wins flawless victory with dat time control?
My list:
Also, <3 you guys for saying I have the best Parker. Gonna keep grinding to prove you
right. Whenever XBL heads wanna play, just send me an invite.
Just like Vanilla, I think he's the best example of the level every character would be at in a perfect Marvel.
That said, my top 5 (or even my top 1) isn't so far above everyone that they're untouchable or even considerably better. It's more of a push comes to shove list this character somewhere thing. Besides, there's so many good characters, and each character plays so drastically different depending on their assists. Dante goes from defensive control guy to auto mixup just by adding a good projectile assist. I hope people eventually tier by setup/concept, since that's what the game encourages anyway.
Unique powers: Joe wins flawless victory with dat time control?
My list:
Also, <3 you guys for saying I have the best Parker. Gonna keep grinding to prove you
and secretly, me
Holy shit. Finally caught up with those Japanese Strange matches. What impressed me more than even that Godlike strange was how broken She-Hulk anti-air Grab/Thor Ground Hyper grab setup is. OMG that's a dead character guaranteed.
But isn't that just US though?
I mean Mahvel is the US game, so its a given that Mahvel sells a shit ton there, but I think SFxT outsold MvC in non-US territories. All my friends in Dubai and India who don't play Mahvel are playing it.
I mean, I friggin' hope MvC3/UMvC3 outsold it worldwide, because I don't like SFxT, but I don't want to celebrate prematurely.
But isn't that just US though?
I mean Mahvel is the US game, so its a given that Mahvel sells a shit ton there, but I think SFxT outsold MvC in non-US territories. All my friends in Dubai and India who don't play Mahvel are playing it.
I mean, I friggin' hope MvC3/UMvC3 outsold it worldwide, because I don't like SFxT, but I don't want to celebrate prematurely.
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WesternHeretic
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I saw him a few weeks ago on Bum's stream running a train on Ray Ray. Shit was like 10 - 1.
You know, I'm here messing around with my team order in training mode and I still find myself loving just how much I can pull from it all. Strider with Jam Session and Cold Shots is scary as fuck, why haven't I been messing around with optimal ways to shuffle the characters around? Also, I need to use Team supers more. Dante gets so much mileage out of Okami Shuffle for mixups or a hard knockdown if they ate the attack raw.
Super jump Round Trip, super jump air throw or super jump Helm Breaker. Unless it's Morrigan or Brand + Hidden Missiles, most combinations of zoners Vergil can either get under or get behind from which he can initiate mix up or hit confirm.
If it's Morrigan + Missiles, then Vergil has to find the right moment to Spiral Swords and get in to apply pressure. During the time that Spiral Swords is active he has to open up Morrigan or at least get Doom in the combo/juggle. This is a better option than what 90% of the cast has as Spiral Swords negate fireballs from both sides (but not hidden missiles coming directly from the top).
I listed Chou as best Strider although Clockwork has stepped up his Strider game too with incorporation of much more Formation B tech.
Sounds like NPD only numbers and UMVC3 did 600K+ WW I believe so we should be using SFxT WW numbers for comparison. But I think it's for sure suffice to say that MVC3 did better than SFxTekken with a less budget for development and marketing.
I wouldn't be surprised at DMC characters in Darkstalkers. They gotta get the paypah some how.
LMAO @ renaming Gems to Crystals. This is vintage Capcom right here.
Yes, of course.
You mean I can't have my 200+ hits 2 minute long Vergil/Dante combos? Fuck dat!
I was going to comment on the health being tripled and then I read the timer change. This might work out but I have to see the rest of the mechancis.
Great idea but this is just another way to increase the gap between characters balance wise. Like the concept but I am scared of the implementation.
I don't know why you even need a Burst for a Marvel game with triple the health, longer timer and shorter combos. Although I personally would be fine with it.
Judging by the effects of X Factor as Burst and Guard cancel, Dark Force abilities can't be too strong at all or else people would just save X Factor for Dark Force.
Ok I guess although it would make Viper much less special.
Or you could just make it like TvC where TACs cost a bar but can't be countered.
From BOTH players? LOL troll.
This reasoning seems solid. I mean, I still think it's extremely unlikely, but I want to believe.
"God's Beard!"
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Professor Beef
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Sneakers and jorts. It's like John Cena went anime.
I think Yipes suffers from tournament jitters or lacks matchup experience or something. His tourney performance is really polarizing. Everyone loves watching him play, not just because he's Yipes, but once he gets going he can run a train on people.
SFxTK (probably; in one region) underselling UMvC3 in a first month comparison is a shocker. SFxTK is 40$ everywhere now anyways. I think across regions SFxTK may have the edge over time but damn.. I couldn't have predicted that. I wonder what precedent that sets for the future, and if Capcom is going to begin accounting for PR mishaps now, or if they're going to reevaluate their FG plan. Seems like SFxTK was more of a risk than everyone anticipated.
However, I do not feel as if they're only option left is UMvC3 DLC, especially if they have a rumored DS game, Alpha game, and JoJos XBLA/PSN on their plate. That's a lot to bide the time until next gen. When Sven says they have a robust FG roadmap for the future, I'm pretty sure it's something everyone will believe coming out of his mouth. Only time will tell, I'm excited though.
"God's Beard!"
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I've been telling people for like 8 months that I heard Sven say in person there was a Darkstalkers coming, but it takes rumors for people to believe. He straight up said last year, news on a new darkstalkers next summer.
Plus jaundice.
Plus jaundice.
Oh we know it's coming. Shit you don't tease it at a panel without any sort of good reason (unless your the MML3 team, but they took it further). Just when it's coming is debatable. I say spring 2013 for current consoles, but they could put it on the back burner and push other projects up. The only thing we have to work off of is a shoddy 4chan leak.
Professor Beef
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That's cute that you believe him. The man would rather climb a tree and lie than stay on the ground and tell the truth.
Jeff Stephen
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Curious to know if it's common for the 360 drive to be spinning while playing UMvC3 off the hard drive even past the 2-minute verification on start up?
Killa Sasa
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Excellent games, Sasa. I still think my Nova is turning into my best guy.
Query, did you mistime it or did I find out how to escape the UWT reset with Zero?
Awesome set, I ate so many lightning sandwiches though T_T Nova is still the one I'm gunning for though, hahaha.
I think you found a way out of the reset, harder to get much more max distance than I was since Zero is a little tiny. Gonna have to do the Hawkeye one or just actually DHC since I can kill with a full combo anyway
tried to conserve more meter -- shoulda just killed him. Will be looking for the TAC reset against him too since you found a pretty consistent way out of that one...or maybe just a regular web throw/ L spider sting to eat up the j.S once you air reset. Gotta keep trying more stuff I guess.My X-F, er, X-23 was the only thing keeping it from being a pretty handy set for you lol. Gotta get more games against you again.
Karsticles
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Awesome set, I ate so many lightning sandwiches though T_T Nova is still the one I'm gunning for though, hahaha.
I think you found a way out of the reset, harder to get much more max distance than I was since Zero is a little tiny. Gonna have to do the Hawkeye one or just actually DHC since I can kill with a full combo anyway
My X-F, er, X-23 was the only thing keeping it from being a pretty handy set for you lol. Gotta get more games against you again.
Haha, yeah, I didn't know whether to snap her in or what. I didn't want to face any of those characters with XF 3, so I figured I'd just eat it.
I need to look up Spidey's HP. I did the TAC to Nova successfully a few times and Spidey didn't die! I am hoping Wesker just missed a few hits
.And I can't really complain about your XF 3 23. It's not like Wesker didn't perform a few times for me.
I think the funniest thing is that Spider Sting...I'm like, is he going for a mixup?! Then I overthink it and eat a simple Spider Sting
. I was desperately trying to keep Nova alive every time, though, and you kept gunning for him.Also, wtf, is Spidey's throw range as good as Nova's?!
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