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God Tier
Phoenix Wright

High Tier
Hsien-Ko

Assist Tier
Zero

 

["God's Beard!"]

I forgot about Zero completely.

 

[Professor Beef]

I got perfected online. That's fine, no big deal. I then get disconnected at the PERFECT flash.

Way to make me look like a jackass, router. Thanks a bunch.

 

[smurfx]

I got perfected online. That's fine, no big deal. I then get disconnected at the PERFECT flash.

Way to make me look like a jackass, router. Thanks a bunch.

suuuure beef we believe it was your router.

 

[Anth0ny]

Until the day I die, I will never understand why they took away Wright's invincible assist. In comparison to all the other broken stuff in the game, it wasn't even a blip on the radar.

Exactly. He could have been a fun gimmick character for the Kusorus of the world.

Just goes to show Capcpom has no fucking idea how to balance shit post release.

 

[Bizazedo]

Exactly. He could have been a fun gimmick character for the Kusorus of the world.

Just goes to show Capcpom has no fucking idea how to balance shit post release.

I give thanks every day he was nerfed. Fuck invincible assists. He wouldn't have been a gimmick character, he would've been EVERYWHERE on tournament teams.

**

Great games as usual, Killer Sasa. I loved the added modification of utilizing X-23 like I do Nova with the threat of DHC'ng into her.

We also had some craaaaaaaazy stuff happen in some of those matches, definite wtf lol worthy.

I think my favorite thing fighting your team is how great of a practice it is blocking / dodging / general movement against it.

 

[Anth0ny]

I give thanks every day he was nerfed. Fuck invincible assists. He wouldn't have been a gimmick character, he would've been EVERYWHERE on tournament teams.

 

[smurfx]

I give thanks every day he was nerfed. Fuck invincible assists. He wouldn't have been a gimmick character, he would've been EVERYWHERE on tournament teams.

**

i'd rather see him and get more variety than the usual top 5 characters.

 

[Bizazedo]

i'd rather see him and get more variety than the usual top 5 characters.

He'd smother variety. At best he'd just shuffle the top 5 by one, himself. At worst there'd be even less variety.

 

[smurfx]

He'd smother variety.

its still a gamble to use him though and that will stop people from using him.

 

[Red Arremer]

I don't think his invincible assist would've made him be everywhere. Only pretty popular; about Tron/Haggar level of popularity in vanilla. So he would be on every other team, but I really doubt he would've been able to "smother variety".
Not to mention variety isn't really what tournaments are going for, anyway. =P

 

[Grecco]

Its incredibly silly to think everybody would pick Wright if his assist wasnt nerfed.

It was still pretty annoying to get him to that point. Compare how easy it is to get Hsienko to gold armor state and very few use her.

 

[LakeEarth]

You kinda have to base your entire team on Wright. Then you have to get lucky with your evidence pickup. Then you gotta get the "objection" hit. It's fun to do online, but in a tournament setting it's too much.

Once he's got it though, hang on to your butts.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I got perfected online. That's fine, no big deal. I then get disconnected at the PERFECT flash.

Way to make me look like a jackass, router. Thanks a bunch.

Suuuuuuure. We know how much you love to piss people off.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

I thought it was a generally accepted opinion that assists that need to be powered-up aren't worth using if the character isn't good on point.

 

[Red Arremer]

I thought it was a generally accepted opinion that assists that need to be powered-up aren't worth using if the character isn't good on point.

Well, there's only one precedence for that other than Wright, and that's Hsien-Ko, but her assist isn't invincible.

 

[DR2K]

Firebrand god tier. . . ok. . .

 

[Red Arremer]

Firebrand god tier. . . ok. . .

Sarcasm or sincerity?

 

[Azure J]

I feel dirty for liking Zero now that I bit the bullet and mapped a trigger to L. Holy shit, lightning carries are nasty looking.

I thought it was a generally accepted opinion that assists that need to be powered-up aren't worth using if the character isn't good on point.

Same here.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

I mean, Hsien-ko is even better than Wright on point to begin with. She at least has normals that you have to respect. And isn't dependent on random evidence draws.

I seriously would have mained Wright in this game had my first experience with him not been 5 bad evidence draws in a row.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Well, there's only one precedence for that other than Wright, and that's Hsien-Ko, but her assist isn't invincible.

Arthur and Phoenix also have notably improved power-up assists.

 

[Dahbomb]

Yipes and FChamp posted their tier lists/top 5s:

Yipes' Top 5:
Spencer
Vergil
Wesker
Zero
Phoenix

FChamp's tier list is solid. People have gotten back to saying that Vergil is godlike in this game. About time.

 

["God's Beard!"]

I love that list. Just goes to show that people aren't just character specialists, they all legitimately think they're tier whoring ^_^

Either that, or spending more time with a character naturally makes you see more tech than with other characters.

 

[Nyoro SF]

Phoenix Wright's bad evidence should be put on a rotation elimination system. If you pick up bad evidence once, you shouldn't pick up the same bad evidence again. Pulling out four plungers in a row during a match is enough to make anyone quit him.

 

[Bizazedo]

Phoenix Wright's bad evidence should be put on a rotation elimination system. If you pick up bad evidence once, you shouldn't pick up the same bad evidence again. Pulling out four plungers in a row during a match is enough to make anyone quit him.

Agree on this.

**

I think the main difference with Wright and, say, Hsien-Ko, is that if Wright powers up, before he could be tagged out for an invincible and assist and if he was popped back in, those fingers butchered almost anyone.

Especially if x-factored.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

I love that list. Just goes to show that people aren't just character specialists, they all legitimately think they're tier whoring ^_^

Either that, or spending more time with a character naturally makes you see more tech than with other characters.

I think people are more prone to believing that their characters are strong in Marvel due to the team-creation aspect of the game. They're not just picking a single character with very static tools that can be pigeon-holed in numerous 1v1 match-ups; they're building something that they want to be proud of.

Street Fighter players love to argue that they're carrying their characters and not the other way around. Marvel players take pride in building an oppressive team.

 

[Bizazedo]

Street Fighter players love to argue that they're carrying their characters and not the other way around. Marvel players take pride in building an oppressive team.

Excellent observation. Part of the reason, too, that I think this game makes some people worse fighters overall. Too much autopilot.

 

[USD]

Don't want to pimp something I posted myself, but check out the comments section of the article, Taitsu wrote a bunch of profiles for some of the players he's familiar with that will be featured at KVOxGODS.

http://shoryuken.com/2012/04/22/kvoxgodsgarden-fan-vote-opens/#disqus_thread

 

[Onemic]

I'm giving up on learning zero for now. Dude is far too execution heavy for me to be effective with him. Same goes with Dante. Spencer/Taskmaster/Vergil is now in training mode.

 

[Grecco]

Yipes top 5 are reasonable, except having Jean there.


I have more issues with FChamps list. Especially having Taskmaster so low.

 

[Solune]

Yipes and FChamp posted their tier lists/top 5s:

Yipes' Top 5:
Spencer
Vergil
Wesker
Zero
Phoenix

FChamp's tier list is solid. People have gotten back to saying that Vergil is godlike in this game. About time.

Fchamps list is pretty good at first glance, don't agree with Spiderman being that low at all though. Also don't agree with Spencer being top 5 on either list. Wesker still doing work.

 

[Grecco]

http://www.mmcafe.com/tiermaker/umv...f9w4xii88c051oe85cu358sf8mi87c58b5nk99x6e-bkf


Honzo Gonzos tier list.

 

[Azure J]

I'm giving up on learning zero for now. Dude is far too execution heavy for me to be effective with him. Same goes with Dante. Spencer/Taskmaster/Vergil is now in training mode.

Just keep the two in rotation and dabble with whatever when you have the off time. My beginner team was Dante/Felicia/Strider, and that by no means was an easy team to get thanks to their execution barrier. Little by little though, through tons of time spent learning portions of what made them tick, things started to fall into place even as I was exploring other team setups. (Dante/Amaterasu/Strider at current)

Now I'm confident enough in the basics to try and weave more advanced things into my game. This is all with about a month or so of actual play.

 

[LakeEarth]

Yeah, when it comes to "akward" characters, you just can't give up on them. I still remember when being down to Doom meant I was dead, unless I got a lucky x-factor cancel into level 3. Now he's my best character.

 

[Onemic]

Yeah, when it comes to "akward" characters, you just can't give up on them. I still remember when being down to Doom meant I was dead, unless I got a lucky x-factor cancel into level 3. Now he's my best character.

I haven't completely given up on them, they've just been donwgraded to my secondary team instead, so I can actually play matches without getting perfected every time. -___-

 

[Professor Beef]

Suuuuuuure. We know how much you love to piss people off.

Well yeah, I like pissing people off intentionally. But this router business isn't intentional, and I've never been a rage-quitter to begin with. If anything, it's pissing ME off.

 

[LakeEarth]

I haven't completely given up on them, they've just been donwgraded to my secondary team instead, so I can actually play matches without getting perfected every time. -___-

Oh I understand. I'm sure it was way easier for me to take the time to learn characters back when the game was still a few months old. I'm just saying eventually awkward characters start to click.

 

[Azure J]

This might be my scrubbiest question ever, but please bear with me. How does the THC system work? I assumed it was hyper of current point character + character next up in rotation, but every time I initate one, the designated anchor character comes out in a 2 bar THC.

 

[Professor Beef]

This might be my scrubbiest question ever, but please bear with me. How does the THC system work? I assumed it was hyper of current point character + character next up in rotation, but every time I initate one, the designated anchor character comes out in a 2 bar THC.

Did you use an assist before the THC? Because a character that was recently used as an assist won't come out, I believe.

 

[LakeEarth]

This might be my scrubbiest question ever, but please bear with me. How does the THC system work? I assumed it was hyper of current point character + character next up in rotation, but every time I initate one, the designated anchor character comes out in a 2 bar THC.

Misread. What Professor Beef said.

 

["God's Beard!"]

I hate that Spencer has one of the best assists in the game, but he's so good that there's almost no reason not to use him on point.

 

[Azure J]

Did you use an assist before the THC? Because a character that was recently used as an assist won't come out, I believe.

Hmm, I don't know about what I did (just training mode, haven't started using them in matches yet), but I'll be more attentive to this, thanks.

 

[kirblar]

I hate that Spencer has one of the best assists in the game, but he's so good that there's almost no reason not to use him on point.

Does he really need 2 assists? I see a lot of people running him as the secondary.

 

[Grecco]

I hate that Spencer has one of the best assists in the game, but he's so good that there's almost no reason not to use him on point.

Slant shot? Its ok

 

["God's Beard!"]

Slant shot? Its ok

It's the only assist in the game that leaves the opponent in standing state, it gives you a guaranteed number of hitstun frames, and it's only one hit for minimal hitstun scaling. You can use it to switch sides in the middle of a combo, it drags the opponent to you like Hyper Grav and it's the perfect angle to mixup incoming characters. It's literally the best assist in the game for resets if you have a high/low, left/right or command grab mixup. On top of all that, it's very quick and Spencer has well above average health, making it one of the least vulnerable assists in the game when used for mixups.

 

[Grecco]

It's the only assist in the game that leaves the opponent in standing state, it gives you a guaranteed number of hitstun frames, and it's only one hit for minimal hitstun scaling. You can use it to switch sides in the middle of a combo, it drags the opponent to you like Hyper Grav and it's the perfect angle to mixup incoming characters. It's literally the best assist in the game for resets if you have a high/low, left/right or command grab mixup. On top of all that, it's very quick and Spencer has well above average health, making it one of the least vulnerable assists in the game when used for mixups.

This i agree with.

 

[Onemic]

Oh I understand. I'm sure it was way easier for me to take the time to learn characters back when the game was still a few months old. I'm just saying eventually awkward characters start to click.

I'm thinking it will take a month or so before zero can begin to click with me. Started training with spencer and I got the hang of using him almost immediately.(At least much faster than zero with ten times less the amount of time spent) I should be up to speed with his basics in about a week or so. Hoping taskmaster is as easy to get up to speed with.

 

[Dahbomb]

I love that list. Just goes to show that people aren't just character specialists, they all legitimately think they're tier whoring ^_^

Either that, or spending more time with a character naturally makes you see more tech than with other characters.

Yeah player picks in Marvel 3 generally dictate their own tier list. Abegen listed his entire team in High tier. Justin thinks Wolverine is top 5 and that Tatsu is best assist in the game. Noel Brown thinks Frank is top tier (when leveled up) that's why he picks him. ChrisG/Dieminion think Morrigan is top 5. All the Phoenix players still think she is a top character.

I think it's a combination of both. People play with a character so much and optimize it to the point where the character becomes cheap to someone who isn't used to it. Some people actually believe the characters that they are playing are tippity top tier and that they can't possibly make a cheaper team.

 

[mr. puppy]

anybody ever run slant shot with firebrand during the incoming mixups?

 

[Onemic]

Yeah player picks in Marvel 3 generally dictate their own tier list. Abegen listed his entire team in High tier. Justin thinks Wolverine is top 5 and that Tatsu is best assist in the game. Noel Brown thinks Frank is top tier (when leveled up) that's why he picks him. ChrisG/Dieminion think Morrigan is top 5. All the Phoenix players still think she is a top character.

I think it's a combination of both. People play with a character so much and optimize it to the point where the character becomes cheap to someone who isn't used to it. Some people actually believe the characters that they are playing are tippity top tier and that they can't possibly make a cheaper team.

So potentially Hsien-ko can be top tier if in the right hands???