Yeah, and though Marvel had some good moments, it was sullied by the fact that the majority of the best teams were two characters (out of the top six or so) backed by either Tron or Haggar.
This year should be SO HYPE.
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Yeah, and though Marvel had some good moments, it was sullied by the fact that the majority of the best teams were two characters (out of the top six or so) backed by either Tron or Haggar.
This year should be SO HYPE.
It's not a huge loss but yes, disappointing.
Yes I meant within range of Shield Skills, I think I've said it before but I'm bad at reading opponents and reacting to punishable situations. I feel like I always get beat out by it so I'm kind of forced into a neutral game with him on the offensive. And I agree that Taskmaster has a hard time opening people up, but I seem to always get thrown at some point during his pressure, just annoying overall.
I don't think it's that weird, zoning characters in general benefit from advancing guard like Chris. Everytime someone pushblocks a grenade or gunfire M, or any gunfire for that matter, it puts him in prime position to continue volleying. The same for Morrigan but we all know that already.
The 2nd last teleport attempt actually is a crossup hammer... Maybe it was an accident?
Well if there was a way to combo Demon Missiles more effectively thats 100k! As for SRK people...I think people don't understand the value of a 2 meter death... I mean, that's what the DHC glitch in Vanilla IS. But when you have Spencer killing for one meter I guess people get their priorities mixed up, like myself and don't value the setups more than the damage.
Sure, when I get around to actually learning full combos with that team, it's basically Wesker and then me losing if Wesker dies :lol.
Hmm I was attempting that last night while recording and Dark Hole would always appear too faraway (So much for being a good combo extender! haha =p), How do you fet a Hell Fire after the Divekick to link into S.H? It seemed like it had too much recovery to me, you'll have to have someone post a vid.
If I'm not mistaken you should be able to call Morrigan during the last S.H. And yah I'm very aware of pushing the opponent mid-screen, it's why the third combo in my video is not optimized at all, but I think i found a way to combo more after the divekick if it involves a launcher.
I did say it was... inconsistent! I should've said difficult though haha. Good to see you're expanding on the combo options. I like to do that if you can't tell =p. I've been recording team combos today, should have the video later up tonight after the tourney if I'm not playing FF5.
Have you considered putting Skrull back in? I don't know Dormammu's BFFs :lol, but it seems like he would make a good pick plus anchor Skrull is pretty stupid. Of course you probably don't want to but Magneto is probably a good pick too.
Karsticles
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Could someone toss me a PM when Marvel top 32 comes on CEO?
Mr. Bubble
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Edit: whoops, posted in wrong topic.
Mr. Bubble
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Unfortunately, my execution is not good. If they're execution/timing intensive, I probably can't do it. :/
Zak Bennett does have a twitter, btw: https://twitter.com/#!/fgzak
Someone did tweet the video to him and he did comment on your discovery:
https://twitter.com/FGZak/status/213588032585072641
https://twitter.com/FGZak/status/213589132159619073
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Ok, so I saw this post here which provides info on how to make Soul Drain hit after a TAC: http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/soul-drain-setups.160763/#post-7002518
And as a Morrigan player, I think tech like this should be more widely known so I made a video for it as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MC6c5m-kFs
Karsticles
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You're my favorite person. I tweeted him back.
Great! I started a Soul Drain thread on SRK that I need to update. I'll keep this for it.
I think your execution is great, personally. If you want to see bad execution, watch me play. I struggle to do Magneto's basic air dash flight combos.
If you happen to feel like doing more videos, here's some stuff I'd love to have recorded:
A video of 3D0C, Dark Hole (XFC), Mass Change H into a full combo, and Chaotic Flame (XFC), Dark Matter, Mass Change M into a full combo.
There are more, but they're rather execution-heavy. I could probably give you a massive list of just Dormammu combos I need recorded, hahaha.
I love little details like this myself. Another one is a distinct audio cue for each DHC you do. What makes this interesting is you can actually tell what kind of hyper is being used between Lvl. 1 and Lvl. 3s from it.
Karsticles
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What hypers would you not be willing to give up for Spiral Swords in a trade? I was thinking about it, and I'd give up any hyper on Firebrand, Dormammu, or Morrigan for Spiral Swords, easy.
"God's Beard!"
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I wouldn't give up Bionic Arm.
Killa Sasa
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Out of people going to EVO, probably Hyperdrive X (if he's going) or iNerd imo. Hopefully these dudes finish their combos, because that's what's separating good from great in this game it seems. Spider-Man players are allergic to finishing their combos *raises hand as somewhat guilty party*
:lol This combo is actually pretty hard on mid-size or smaller characters, I can do it but yeah. I'll try next time I get on a stream if I end up with anchor Spider-Man for whatever reason :3
Lulz I was wondering why I got a random tweet at me from Karsticles, thought you had some crazy ass Google Alerts set up.
Spiral Swords are only really useful on a character who has a teleport or some crazy way to get in. If you can create sort of a wall of projectiles for the other person to get through, then Spiral Swords loses most of its usability. The fact that you can teleport with those things on means you don't have to lose most of its durability on the way in and can pressure them once in. Hell if you see a non teleporter turn on Spiral Swords, just super jump and do some air actions, by the time you come down they will be finished.
I wouldn't trade any of Akuma's hypers for the Spiral Swords. He has a projectile invincible hyper (sort of), he can link hypers together, he has a full screen beam hyper, a safe on block hyper and a boss LVL3 hyper plus his Tatsu already works as a pseudo Spiral Sword in terms of projectile negation. He teleport is no conducive to abuse Spiral Swords. I would totally trade Iron Man's DP Proton Cannon for Spiral Swords because he would at least have a safe DHC option.
Oh and the Helm Breaker from heaven made into a gif (for those that missed the Momochi vs Dieminion match):
I wouldn't trade any of Akuma's hypers for the Spiral Swords. He has a projectile invincible hyper (sort of), he can link hypers together, he has a full screen beam hyper, a safe on block hyper and a boss LVL3 hyper plus his Tatsu already works as a pseudo Spiral Sword in terms of projectile negation. He teleport is no conducive to abuse Spiral Swords. I would totally trade Iron Man's DP Proton Cannon for Spiral Swords because he would at least have a safe DHC option.
Oh and the Helm Breaker from heaven made into a gif (for those that missed the Momochi vs Dieminion match):
Karsticles
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Iiiiiiiinteresting. I think we all assume something is going to be announced soon, we just don't know what (I assume DS4 or TvC2).
Damn it. Dahbomb, what was your avatar bet about this, again?
I disagree. I think it would be worthwhile to sacrifice any of Akuma's hypers for Spiral Swords. He has an amazing wavedash that would make it near-instant pressure, and he has standing overheads to make the pin really nasty. On one hand, I can see how Spiral Swords isn't great for Iron Man, but his hypers are so terrible that it might still be an upgrade, haha.Spiral Swords are only really useful on a character who has a teleport or some crazy way to get in. If you can create sort of a wall of projectiles for the other person to get through, then Spiral Swords loses most of its usability. The fact that you can teleport with those things on means you don't have to lose most of its durability on the way in and can pressure them once in. Hell if you see a non teleporter turn on Spiral Swords, just super jump and do some air actions, by the time you come down they will be finished.
I wouldn't trade any of Akuma's hypers for the Spiral Swords. He has a projectile invincible hyper (sort of), he can link hypers together, he has a full screen beam hyper, a safe on block hyper and a boss LVL3 hyper plus his Tatsu already works as a pseudo Spiral Sword in terms of projectile negation. He teleport is no conducive to abuse Spiral Swords. I would totally trade Iron Man's DP Proton Cannon for Spiral Swords because he would at least have a safe DHC option.
Oh and the Helm Breaker from heaven made into a gif (for those that missed the Momochi vs Dieminion match):
Also, I asked this same question on GFAQs, and I've been called "salty" and "a whiny baby" by like 5 people, even though it's not a complaint. It reminds me of Vanilla Dark Phoenix and Double Lariat users - so defensive and easily upset when anyone mentions something positive about their character.
I just did a "reply all" thing. I don't use Twitter (my account has 15 tweets, 1 of which was to a scholarship program, 1 to Zak, and like 13 to gaming reps).
Not even for Zip Line + swords? Spencer already gets nasty cross-ups with that, and now he could get it alone.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/...marvel-vs-capcom-3-unlikely-be-balanced-year/
Evenhubs posted about it lol
Evenhubs posted about it lol
SolarKnight
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Oh and the Helm Breaker from heaven made into a gif (for those that missed the Momochi vs Dieminion match):
Ok, I'll admit I laughed a little xD
He still has the first half of 2013 to hope for at least an announcement!
Karsticles
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Yipes did the j.S setup I was talking about! *happy*
Karsticles
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@Crimsonspider: F. Champ just demonstrated on stream that 3D0C doesn't destroy fireballs coming from behind him.
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LolOh and the Helm Breaker from heaven made into a gif (for those that missed the Momochi vs Dieminion match):
Yeah he dropped that helm breaker from waaaaay up there on Strange after living through that Joe combo. His Vergil was honestly the only thing he had that worked against the zoning of Dieminion's voomerangs+bolts of balthaak. So much durability and horizontal control that it decimated Magneto/Doom attempts to blast a way in. Really Joe's voomerang coupled with such a long lasting beam is pretty scary. It makes me kind of wonder if something similar with Captain America might work as well.
"God's Beard!"
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Jojo's HD obv
I'd give up maneuvers but not arm. Hell, I'd even throw in Armor Piercer and Jaw Breaker M.
SRK's Dante thread has me stuck in thought about how to hit multiple Grapples in a combo and I just can't stop thinking about setups. I now know what Karst felt like with adding layers to that new Firebrand stuff of his. 
Right now, I'm messing with a double grapple setup that goes like so:
M - H - Stinger - BC Volcano - TK Revolver - Grapple - S - Charge Shot - Prop Shredder - TK Acid Rain - Hammer - Cold Shower - Stinger Lvl. 2 - Grapple...
I haven't had the time to setup things with assists and the like yet, otherwise I'd have some extra ideas, but I wanna leave this here with you guys and wonder what ideas there are to follow up with it all. This much combo does 440K for curiosity's sake btw.
The other thing I'm playing with is dropping characters out of shot loops into an oncoming assist for additional juggles into a Hammer. I saw someone doing this with Sentinel Drones and figured I should mess around with others soon. I feel like this would be very beneficial on my Dante/Felicia/Phoenix team especially if the timing is good between the last shots and a TK Shot/Overdrive assist call.
The last thing I want to play with is a reset off Beehive using a dash under M. I saw PR Rog do something that led me to believe that there's some stupid stuff here if I can get some time in the lab to check it out. Looks like I'm gonna be busy this week!
Right now, I'm messing with a double grapple setup that goes like so:
M - H - Stinger - BC Volcano - TK Revolver - Grapple - S - Charge Shot - Prop Shredder - TK Acid Rain - Hammer - Cold Shower - Stinger Lvl. 2 - Grapple...
I haven't had the time to setup things with assists and the like yet, otherwise I'd have some extra ideas, but I wanna leave this here with you guys and wonder what ideas there are to follow up with it all. This much combo does 440K for curiosity's sake btw.
The other thing I'm playing with is dropping characters out of shot loops into an oncoming assist for additional juggles into a Hammer. I saw someone doing this with Sentinel Drones and figured I should mess around with others soon. I feel like this would be very beneficial on my Dante/Felicia/Phoenix team especially if the timing is good between the last shots and a TK Shot/Overdrive assist call.
The last thing I want to play with is a reset off Beehive using a dash under M. I saw PR Rog do something that led me to believe that there's some stupid stuff here if I can get some time in the lab to check it out. Looks like I'm gonna be busy this week!
Karsticles
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Hahaha. I appreciate the parity, but figuring out a Firebrand combo is nothing like a Dante combo. They're kind of opposites. Dante is "I have so much shit, what do I want to use?" Firebrand is "I have so little shit, how can I make this work?"SRK's Dante thread has me stuck in thought about how to hit multiple Grapples in a combo and I just can't stop thinking about setups. I now know what Karst felt like with adding layers to that new Firebrand stuff of his.
Right now, I'm messing with a double grapple setup that goes like so:
M - H - Stinger - BC Volcano - TK Revolver - Grapple - S - Charge Shot - Prop Shredder - TK Acid Rain - Hammer - Cold Shower - Stinger Lvl. 2 - Grapple...
I haven't had the time to setup things with assists and the like yet, otherwise I'd have some extra ideas, but I wanna leave this here with you guys and wonder what ideas there are to follow up with it all. This much combo does 440K for curiosity's sake btw.
The other thing I'm playing with is dropping characters out of shot loops into an oncoming assist for additional juggles into a Hammer. I saw someone doing this with Sentinel Drones and figured I should mess around with others soon. I feel like this would be very beneficial on my Dante/Felicia/Phoenix team especially if the timing is good between the last shots and a TK Shot/Overdrive assist call.
The last thing I want to play with is a reset off Beehive using a dash under M. I saw PR Rog do something that led me to believe that there's some stupid stuff here if I can get some time in the lab to check it out. Looks like I'm gonna be busy this week!
You should figure out a combo starting from a TKed Vortex - that I'd love to see.
So Marvel patch coming next year.
I am so IN THERE!
That actually did work in the tournament. Some guy was running Captain America + Strange and made it really far (Punish). It was pretty insane especially his hit confirms.
Karsticles
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Reminds me of this:
I want it just as bad as you.
On a somewhat related note, I'd be willing to take a 100K health drop on Dormammu for better assists (primarily tracking Purification).
My main combo if I actually managed to land a TK'd Vortex is: Vortex, land, dash forward/back(depending on where the closest corner is), s.S, j.MMH, Vortex, j.S, Cold Shower, Stinger lvl 2, Hammer etc etc. There is more you can get off it for some more effort, and depending on the positioning. I should make just a video for them.
Karsticles
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Seems like you can get a lot more from it. I was thinking off of Vortex, into more things that lead into Vortex loops (hypothetical entity).
Vortex loops don't really exist, since Vortex gets hit by HSD hard rather quickly. You can get them off TACs where HSD does not exist, but not on point. Lightning Bolt loops exist(since they aren't affected by HSD), but they demolish damage scaling where they aren't worth it early in the combo.
The best damage off a Vortex is probably shot loops.
Karsticles
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They're nearly always the same as their point moves. What do you need it for?
Made a short X-Factor Vergil combo vid, because I'm tired of seeing people go straight into S from a hitconfirm or High Time after a Helm Breaker.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBTonJqdiU8
Also made a combo vid just showing synergy with Spencer/Vergil/Doom
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJJV6aiZCuw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBTonJqdiU8
Also made a combo vid just showing synergy with Spencer/Vergil/Doom
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJJV6aiZCuw
Interested in seing how good frank west shopping cart assist is vs other assists for Spencer. Wanted to compare to Taskmasters assist that i use, and Dantes weasel shot (That i was thinking about)
From SRK. Meanwhile, Karst, I think I'll try playing around with Vortex some pretty soon, especially after Frantic's breakdown on the move. I don't usually do much with it except to GTFO when priority/range whores are on the screen or P2 is playing TouHou against me, but I should get around to fixing that. One thing I really like is using one after a wall bounce Stinger via Bold Move. I don't know which one is more effective between Bold Canceling into Fly in DT then doing Vortex or just doing the command jump with Bold Move then going into Vortex.
Karsticles
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Does Vergil have an XF3 infinite with High Time (that's df.H, right?) and Helm Breaker? It looks like he would.
Ah, well that would be hard to figure out! I'm afraid I don't have anything to suggest.
Haha, nice pic.
From SRK. Meanwhile, Karst, I think I'll try playing around with Vortex some pretty soon, especially after Frantic's breakdown on the move. I don't usually do much with it except to GTFO when priority/range whores are on the screen or P2 is playing TouHou against me, but I should get around to fixing that. One thing I really like is using one after a wall bounce Stinger via Bold Move. I don't know which one is more effective between Bold Canceling into Fly in DT then doing Vortex or just doing the command jump with Bold Move then going into Vortex.
Bold Move has a minimum of 16 frames before you can input a special. You don't want to use it for TKing stuff with Dante. Flight has 11 startup frames.
Not to be presumptuous, but are you aware that Vortex can't be pushblocked? I've always thought that the move was underrated and people should be TKing it more for a free in. Invincible, locks out advancing guard, deals chip damage, like +10 on block, and leads to full combos. Why aren't people using it more?
Karst, It's just because of that pushblock thing that I started making my Zero only opening gambit (mostly for feeling them out) Hysterics xx Devil Trigger - Teleport - Vortex. It's so frustrating to them and I don't know why. Maybe they can't cope with someone actually diving/slamming at their approaches?
And I don't know why people aren't using Devil Trigger (both of them) more.
And I don't know why people aren't using Devil Trigger (both of them) more.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Nah everytime you H after High Time you get his teleport.
Karsticles
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It makes me wonder why people don't put Dante in Devil Trigger to take him out, and then Vortex as he comes in. Seems worth 2 bars just to have a safe in after your character dies.Karst, It's just because of that pushblock thing that I started making my Zero only opening gambit (mostly for feeling them out) Hysterics xx Devil Trigger - Teleport - Vortex. It's so frustrating to them and I don't know why. Maybe they can't cope with someone actually diving/slamming at their approaches?
And I don't know why people aren't using Devil Trigger (both of them) more.
I know, but it looks like he has enough time to combo after the teleport in XF3. So my question was: does that loop?
I've tried it but I think it only loops up to 2 times. I remember Dahbomb saying it was an infinite but I tried it and it didn't work so I'm not 100% sure.
1) nice vids
2) what type of music is this
3) my main team is spencer/vergil/wesker
Thanks haha. The Vergil combo vid is anime music Return to Zero - The Lancer. The other vid is Blackmill - The Light.
Weskers a good pick for both Spencer and Vergil, not surprised with the synergy.
Most people don't stay on the ground long enough for it to be that useful. People love to jump, and the fact it has a pretty obvious startup means they can just super jump over it. Plus, if you misjuged the distance and it whiffs, its fairly punishable.
It's not a bad tactic with say a horizontal assist, Hidden Missiles or Vajra, but its pretty situational from my experience. If Vortex was fully invincible on startup, I'd probably use it more, though. As is, I'm always afraid of getting punished on startup trying it at a mid-range where I feel it would be most useful. Wolverine is too fast, and Vergil has derpy normals.
Solune, I just started your team combo video. Holy fuck, that stuff is so good. Using Judgement Cut for the float after Doom missiles OTG is something so small yet so smart, why hadn't I thought of it before?
Answer: I really don't play enough Vergil. Dante's too much fun. :lol
Still want to play Vergil/Doom/Morrigan though.
Still want to play Vergil/Doom/Morrigan though.
Yeah, I really like how Wesker extends combos for both spencer and vergil.
Vergil provides the awesome ground game for mixups for spencer/wekser.
Spencer offers both a mixup, and combo extension for both wesker/vergil.
Their DHCs work and so do their THCs.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Just caught the archives for the end of Marvel...
Overcoming the odds, always.
Overcoming the odds, always.
Does anyone have any strong opinions on what's the best doom assist for dante? I've been using beam up until this point, but missiles have been looking more and more appealing lately. It could end being a matchup based thing where the better assist depends on my opponent's team as well. Missiles might be a bit redundant since I have anchor strider wtih vajra though.
This question is pretty much the biggest one I asked myself when I toyed with that same team. Really I'd say it comes down to preference, do you feel confident in your neutral game/zoning with Dante? Or is it a match up where you absolutely need to be able to deal with something with no respect? In the former, missiles are your friend since the horizontal is good with Dante's numerous specials. You also get access to some truly stupid meter gain with it. The latter is when you want Plasma Beam for left rights. You also get the ability to extend Dante's BnB with Rain Storm ~ Assist - Hammer which adds a surprising amount of damage for just the little extra investment.
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