WesternHeretic
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I didn't play Dante in vanilla. Seems like I missed out on a lot. =(
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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT2| New Age of Zeroes
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shaowebb
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They could always incorporate roll mechanics and an HD gauge timer to combos :kappa:
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Serious talk though KOF XIII is pretty damned awesome on balance. Even top tier don't get it for free. Everyone is pretty viable.
"God's Beard!"
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Still less damage than Spencer.
...seriously? Holy damn what did they do with this guy?
100-200k less damage than Spencer, 5x as much meter, 1000x more swag.
I feel like if they didn't remove his invincible assists he'd be absolutely godlike on zoning teams. That early Big Two with Chris G using Wright/Morrigan/Dante was some cheap shit. But now that it's gone, Turnabout mode's weakness of having such a short timer (compared to Frank and Phoenix who have gimmicky mechanics as well but stay in their leveled up modes permanently once there) really hurts him.
Karsticles
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Hahaha, Turnabout Mode lasts loooong enough. If Slasher gets Turnabout, I burn anything I have to kill Wright because he's a team killer with the timer as it is. The ONLY change Wright needs is bad evidence getting removed. Then he'd be top tier.
Yeah, that would work too, or at least give bad evidence some sort of use (give bad evidence a lot more durability when he tosses it or have the different items be tossed in slightly different arcs). The timer wouldn't be an issue if he can get back into it a bit easier, but sometimes luck can be really against you, lol.
Damn straight.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Fanatiq and Champ are so good at punishing people for their dumbfuck tendencies.
"God's Beard!"
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I just had a glitch where I tridashed with Magneto and he spun around in mid air and crossed up like it was Persona. I wonder if it's because of the extra boost from the ability cards messing with stuff.
Karsticles
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Ability cards mess a lot of stuff up.
"God's Beard!"
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I really think there should be a side tournament standard rule set for H&H mode so people can practice.
Timer: 99 seconds
Damage: Lowest
Decks:
Speed-ism
X: Enable Air Dashing, Increase number of jumps
Vile: Enable Dash Canceling Normal Moves at the cost of meter
Black Panther: Increases Movement Speed
Strength-ism
Colossus: Gain Super Armor
Juggernaut: Assists Gain Super Armor
Kaijin no Soki: Increases attack power while on the ground. [Lv. 2]
Support-ism
Astaroth: When your last character is defeated: Your character will return to full health at the cost of 3 HC Gauge bars (one time only). Increased attack power. [Lv. 2]
Fou-Lu: Increases the number of x-factors by 1
Fantastic Four: Gain the ability to call assists even when you are taking damage at the cost of HC Gauge
Timer: 99 seconds
Damage: Lowest
Decks:
Speed-ism
X: Enable Air Dashing, Increase number of jumps
Vile: Enable Dash Canceling Normal Moves at the cost of meter
Black Panther: Increases Movement Speed
Strength-ism
Colossus: Gain Super Armor
Juggernaut: Assists Gain Super Armor
Kaijin no Soki: Increases attack power while on the ground. [Lv. 2]
Support-ism
Astaroth: When your last character is defeated: Your character will return to full health at the cost of 3 HC Gauge bars (one time only). Increased attack power. [Lv. 2]
Fou-Lu: Increases the number of x-factors by 1
Fantastic Four: Gain the ability to call assists even when you are taking damage at the cost of HC Gauge
Karsticles
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Yeah, this duo totally needed new tech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QOqtlO3W7Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QOqtlO3W7Y
This can actually be done without Devil Trigger.
This is not new technology and quite frankly this is an inferior use of resources.
You can combo off Helm Breaker using just Spiral swords or you can combo off HB just using an assist no meter. Using DT like that cuts off your meter gain for a long time.
Quite frankly Vergil + Strider is overrated. Viper + Strider or Dante is the truth.
Viper/Dante/Strider is dabess.
Speaking of which, after seeing a funny thing happen with a delayed Viper assist call, I'm convinced there's a manner to use Viper's Burn Kick assist to save your wall bounce whenever you do Cold Shower - Stinger which opens up a whole new world of combos for Dante. Now if only I could either find the right timing or move to extend the combo with post Viper assist.
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
So all you OTG masters
If I start an air combo with Cap and switch to Hawkeye during a crossover, I knock whoever down to the ground then try to OTG freeze shot for a relaunch, it doesn't work -_- It hits but it doesn't relaunch.
It's also a thing where if I just do an air combo with Hawkeye with no crossover and relaunch, it works but a hit after the relaunch, the combo is broken.
I'm just trying out freeze shot instead of speed shot for fun. I just find this..broken.
If I start an air combo with Cap and switch to Hawkeye during a crossover, I knock whoever down to the ground then try to OTG freeze shot for a relaunch, it doesn't work -_- It hits but it doesn't relaunch.
It's also a thing where if I just do an air combo with Hawkeye with no crossover and relaunch, it works but a hit after the relaunch, the combo is broken.
I'm just trying out freeze shot instead of speed shot for fun. I just find this..broken.
I don't believe in Vergil/X/Strider, the team is set up to waste XF1 or forgo many potential kills.
I think X/Vergil/Strider (with Dante in front, obviously) is ridiculous. While it seriously runs out of steam once XF2 is gone, for those 15 seconds it might be the most broken thing in the game.
"God's Beard!"
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This Drew Grimey dude is amazing. Never seen anybody play in that style with Viper.
SolarKnight
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Are you using more than one ground bounce in each combo? Because that's what freeze shots do and you can only have one of those per combo. Same with wall bounces.
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
nope. when i tag in hawkeye, i use wall bounce.
SolarKnight
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Well, you should post what your combo is exactly then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3eVkw1E2DE&feature=player_embedded
The Yipes "call out" video.
Post your 8v8 WC vs EC picks. Justin Marvelous Wong can be on either teams (but not both obviously). In my version JWong would be on WC as it's "current" status that matters. Also the whole coast includes the Northwest for the WC and Florida for EC.
WC:
FChamp (Captain)
Justin Wong
Combofiend
Infrit
Fanatiq
Viscant
PRBalrog
HonzoGonzo (team mascot)
Replace Gonzo with one of the Norcals DrewGrimey, Padtrick or KBeast if necessary. I would pick DrewGrimey because I feel all 3 of his characters are major threats and WC needs the threat of the 3 main Norcal characters Viper, Vergil and Strider.
EC:
ChrisG (Captain)
Yipes
MarlinPie
Flocker
Moonz
RayRay
Noel Brown
Sanford (team mascot)
Replace Sanford with one of the Haggar players like TA Predator or Bum if necessary. DJHoushen would be a good pick although I don't know where he is lately.
The Yipes "call out" video.
Post your 8v8 WC vs EC picks. Justin Marvelous Wong can be on either teams (but not both obviously). In my version JWong would be on WC as it's "current" status that matters. Also the whole coast includes the Northwest for the WC and Florida for EC.
WC:
FChamp (Captain)
Justin Wong
Combofiend
Infrit
Fanatiq
Viscant
PRBalrog
HonzoGonzo (team mascot)
Replace Gonzo with one of the Norcals DrewGrimey, Padtrick or KBeast if necessary. I would pick DrewGrimey because I feel all 3 of his characters are major threats and WC needs the threat of the 3 main Norcal characters Viper, Vergil and Strider.
EC:
ChrisG (Captain)
Yipes
MarlinPie
Flocker
Moonz
RayRay
Noel Brown
Sanford (team mascot)
Replace Sanford with one of the Haggar players like TA Predator or Bum if necessary. DJHoushen would be a good pick although I don't know where he is lately.
Sounds like you're doing the freeze shot too slow. It's the same thing that happens with Akuma's divekick, if you take too long to OTG you will hit them but the bounce won't occur.
I find it so weird that no one seems to know who he was when I did even before I picked up Viper. Marlin, KBeast and Drew were always the three names thrown around whenever I asked for Viper footage to watch.
WesternHeretic
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Forward as well...
Drew, and Forward seem to not have much national recognition. While Unknown's viper get more love...
MarlinPie discovers C. Viper Infinite. Looks tough, may not be actual infinite.
WesternHeretic
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This weekend will go down as the rebirth of C. Viper.
Karsticles
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Hulk/Sentinel/Wesker
You don't even need to know how the game works.
Jill level 3 combo video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4iATbbV4vOM
Piss poor damage normally, but the XF3 stuff has a lot of potential.
WesternHeretic
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Ridiculously bad damage. Don't play Jill, but wouldn't it be better if Mad Beas was used like Orbs? As for going for resets rather than a combo?
She can't block during it so anyone who is pressing buttons while just beat out Jill.
Yeah it's a waste of meter to do that much damage for 3 bars. Jill has bnbs that range from 750k-800k so her damage isn't terrible but she lacks hit conversions from sj height and most importantly air throws. Any mix up/reset based character that can't capitalize off of throws is just simply not acceptable in this game.
LOL Marlin Pie practicing infinite in the lab while watching Aftershock....
Is he motivated?
Yeah it's a waste of meter to do that much damage for 3 bars. Jill has bnbs that range from 750k-800k so her damage isn't terrible but she lacks hit conversions from sj height and most importantly air throws. Any mix up/reset based character that can't capitalize off of throws is just simply not acceptable in this game.
LOL Marlin Pie practicing infinite in the lab while watching Aftershock....
Is he motivated?
"God's Beard!"
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I stopped paying close attention to viper players when I dropped her in vanilla.
Based on some tweets he made when Drew took first set, I'd say he is.
I gotcha.
I feel like I'm having a bit of a dilemma right now playing this game. It feels like for how I play, the time allotted to my play and my inherent lack of competition, I've plateaued even though I do know there's much more to be done and optimized in my case. Feels like I'm still mostly execution and not enough yomi (even though it's better than before) as a result. Not a good look.
Edit: And as I say this, all it takes is one trip into the lab to find something that cheers me up. I need to use this Thunder Knuckle L/M - Feint - Grab setup more often.
Jill can capitalize off of throws by putting you in a four-way mixup. I've had it happen to me, and it's not fun being forced to guess four different directions on wakeup after an airthrow. Doesn't even matter which way you tech, because she'll be there anyways with her teleport. And she also has SOMERSAULT to blow up anything you try to do on wakeup.
Yah I think using Mad Beast outside of Xfactor is just a waste.
LMFAO on blast. But don't you get untechable knockdown if you use Gunshot > Burn Kick?Wait, "I use Wesker gunshot for OTG with Viper" Unknown? Whoa.
Sure, but at least it's something. Some characters don't even really get strong advantage after an airthrow, let alone multiple mixups.
Burn Kick is soft knockdown unless something about that combo does some shit I haven't seen.
Yah sorry that's what I meant. I always get my knockdown states messed up. I was just wondering where you could substitute Wesker OTG in combos like these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH32zWaamjE&list=FLsDXqPnR9bYdTZzMzQtw2YA&index=5&feature=plpp_video to avoid using EX seismo.
Forgot to respond to this: You sure it wasn't just this?
"God's Beard!"
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Huh. I always wondered if that dash cancel could be used for anything. Cool!
Karsticles
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GB to spend the next 6 months in training mode perfecting that so he can have air dash cross-ups.
"God's Beard!"
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Yeah, it's not easy lol
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