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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT2| New Age of Zeroes

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Paralax should have said "I have no homosexual romantic intentions with this comment". Much less offensive, somehow.
 
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mashingkeys

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Bizazedo said:
I remember Atashiwa from vanilla days.

He edged me in those days, but I used Hulk :). He was very good.

Not insane or anything, though.
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He seemed to have fantastic execution. Did he ever take any tournaments? I remember seeing a few vids of him back in vanilla. Seriously crazy Chris, dante and zero.
 
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OP updated with Winter Brawl as I watch it.

Unfortunately either my flash or internet or twitch is loading videos hella slow so it's gonna take probably a full day plus to get through it all.
 
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Should I post very hateful messages or would I get ban from it? I was playing for fun at HxH and I met 5th lord. I kinda lamed it out at end of the battle. He send me a lot of hateful messages.

Edited: I know it might seem to be brag but I just didn't expect how mad he was.
 
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I wonder if Seasons Beating is going to have a Good vs Evil event featuring Wesker this year. That event last year featuring Phoenix was hype as FUCK! My picks for Good vs Evil Ft. Wesker:

TEAM GOOD

Justin "Marvelous" Wong - As weird as it sounds, Iron Fist actually does really well against Wesker. He can get around gun zoning due to fast dash and can out prioritize Wesker's normal plus has better footsies. Wesker can only run away for so long against IF before having to deal with the pressure. Plus Wolverine also does really well against Wesker. Even Justin's B team of Felicia/Nova/Frank is super good against Wesker. Justin should in fact be the captain.

Dieminion aka "the lame one" - I think all characters except maybe Dr Strange handle Wesker really well on this team. Joe is really annoying for Wesker to deal with and Morrigan is Morrigan. I just hope Dieminion levels his Strange quickly although don't about that much.

MarlinPie aka "the execution god" - If someone figures out some anti-Wesker tech it's this guy. He probably has a ton and it's likely going to be "rush his ass down and EX Seismo his j.S teleport shenanigans". Plus Ammy on that team as anchor ensures that he can handle Dark Weskers all day.

Chris G aka Godlike/Grab/Genius/G-sus - ChrisG felt that loss at Winter Brawl at GFs but is already back on his feet leveling his newly formed team and getting a hang of rushdown non-AV Morrigan. That team bodies Wesker team pretty handily as evidenced by a vast majority of ChrisG's play and for team good to win they would want a team of that caliber on their side.

Flocker - I have him here for the Zero factor. I feel team good needs at least one Zero to go against Wesker and he's probably going to be the most prominent one at Seasons Beating. Vergil and Hawkeye do decently well against Wesker too and Vergil in particular can go toe to toe with Dark Wesker by denying him XFC shenanigans.

Combo "aka Comeback" Fiend - No matter the odds, the characters, the teams... you want this guy on your team for the explosive factor. Combofiend over comes character differential better than most and was one of the best Phoenix killers in Vanilla... and in Ultimate he is one of the best Wesker killers. While his team isn't a specialist Wesker killer... he has the Bionic Arm so he can't lose.


TEAM EVIL

Viscant aka "SCHNEIDER" - One of the most technical and strategic Wesker players in the scene and the player who put out Wesker tech for everyone to adopt. You can't have a Wesker event without Viscant in it... it's just not right. Defending EVO champion with Wesker... I in fact nominate him for Captain.

Noel "the Professional and Best in the World" Brown - As an OG Wesker player he deserves the spot in there and a proponent of the Dark Wesker strategy. Plays the lame and rushdown Wesker equally well.

Masta "Let's Finish this Tomorrow" CJ - Yea MastaCJ is all about the Dorm + Disruptor mix ups but he runs Dark Wesker and is a major threat because of it. Pretty much has been a proponent of Dark Wesker strategy since Vanilla days so a decent pick.

FC Jago aka "Mr Hollywood" - Founder of Team Sinergy which pairs Wesker with 2 devastating assists and utilizes his assist extremely well for unblockables. Another OG day 1 Wesker player from Vanilla and has a very technically sound Wesker.

Mine aka Tinh/Minh- Very low chance of his attendance at Seasons Beating but if he attends he is a sure shot pick. He has one of the best Weskers in the business and plays POINT Wesker which is a rarity these days and a mark of a proficient Wesker player.

Tie among Unknown, Floe and Predat0r for the back up spot in case one of these guys isn't in attendance. Maybe PRBalrog if he hasn't dropped Wesker although I don't consider his Wesker that good yet.


East Coast vs West Coast my picks:

WC: Justin Wong (Captain), Combofiend, Viscant, Clockw0rk, FChamp

EC: ChrisG (Captain), MarlinPie, Noel Brown, PRBalrog, Flocker


Seasons Beating this year is going to be a cracker of an event for Marvel.

Edit: Actually I just realized Shadowloo Showdown is the same weekend as Seasons Beating summer (May 5) which means ChrisG and MarlinPie may not be in attendance. So adjusting my teams for both:

Team Good: Justin Wong, Combofiend, Dieminion, Flocker, Clockw0rk

Team Evil: Viscant, MastaCJ, Noel Brown, FC Jago, Unknown/Predator/Floe

Team WC: Same as before

Team EC: Noel Brown, Dieminion, PR Balrog, Flocker, Unknown/Predator/DJHoushen
 
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Sixfortyfive said:
This is why I've not expressed frustration at Chris G's success like I have been with Dieminion. He's clearly put in work.
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i was doubtful of Akuma on that team at first, but from what I'm seeing with Justin using the Akuma assist to blow through everything Viper has, I really think that is maybe the best assist in the game, if not one of the top 3.
 
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hey DB and GB what you think of viper/morrigan/lockdown assist

also yesterday during my flight i was check frame data and there some cheap stuff with felicia and nova overhead assist, like really cheap. hope i can try it
 
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hey DB and GB what you think of viper/morrigan/lockdown assist
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Depends on the lock down assist. I don't play either Morrigan or Viper to comment much other than that they both have enough tools to dominate numerous match ups in the game. DHC synergy between the two is lacking from the looks of it.
 
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Tobe1 said:
hey DB and GB what you think of viper/morrigan/lockdown assist

also yesterday during my flight i was check frame data and there some cheap stuff with felicia and nova overhead assist, like really cheap. hope i can try it
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Wong was using a lot of the latter on WNF last night, shit looked straight bonkers with the Nova overhead (Rush?) assist call and Felicia Toy Touches.

That team you have sounds pretty awesome actually, Morrigan on meter assist feeds Viper and keeps her good options open at all times (even if Viper isn't bad at getting it herself), and when the time calls for it, Morrigan + lockdown wears away the problems on another's team. (And by lockdown, I mean meesyles. :p)

Edit: I admit though, God's Beard & Dah got me beat regularly on theory construction because he always puts one element together that I never really mention - DHC synergy. I think it's because when I start thinking of things, I go with what works first before finding out what doesn't and DHCs are always the last thing I think of for whatever reason. :p

I'm over here playing around with some new Morrigan team setups in my head and trying to think of something flexible enough for me to play Sou Sou and enjoy a little rushdown/mass meter burning. Recently though, I've begun to enjoy the idea of Dante (Jam Session)/Morrigan (Dark Harmonizer)/Felicia (Sand Splash/Rolling Buckler). The idea is to get a secondary hard launch [Million Carats, Twister] xx Devil Trigger -> DHC'd Astral Vision and then recreate this except using powered up Jam Session to lock them in place. Thing is, I like the idea of getting the most out of Soul Drain so I'm wondering if Felicia should go for Amaterasu with Cold Shots on call. I was already looking at Ammy anchor, but Dark Felicia, her command grab shenanigans, and a good Morrigan relaunch OTG has its value to me. Sometimes I wish Sand Splash hit low. :lol

If I wasn't such a hopeless Dante fanboy, I'd probably go and try something like Amaterasu (Cold Shots)/Morrigan (Dark Harmonizer)/Felicia (Sand Splash) just because of glaive stance full charged Jump H xx Vale of Mist xx DHC Astral Vision Sou Sou ping pong.

On that note, is Sand Splash a very durable projectile? I'm wondering if I can use it for ghetto left-rights with the proper calls.
 
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Tobe

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ok doing viper BnB LMH xx tk cancel H xx seismo adf HS MHS(morrigan meter assist) H xx HS (akuma assist) seimo burn kick S H xx HS seismo xx super dhc into morrigan missiles

does about 960k and it build 1 3/4 of bar.

oh god i suck at writing combos

GB any thing i can add ?
 
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AzureJericho said:
Edit: I admit though, God's Beard & Dah got me beat regularly on theory construction because he always puts one element together that I never really mention - DHC synergy. I think it's because when I start thinking of things, I go with what works first before finding out what doesn't and DHCs are always the last thing I think of for whatever reason. :p
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Depends on if you build a team that way though, like Combofiend's vanilla team.
Watching Tapebot last night, which was sloppy as fuck by the way, picks the wrong assist for Spencer, can't complete a Zero BnB... you can still do decent damage to pull out that win.
Another good example is Dieminion or Chris G using Morrigan, since they get most of their damage out of AV, no reason to burn meter on a DHC since they are laming it out. Also from what I saw at WNF last night, more people are going for resets for the kill and saving meter for safe DHC or for the incoming character instead of busting their load on that one character.
Lots of things to consider when you're wanting to DHC, like positioning. On a team of say Vergil/Morrigan/Doom, Any DHC from Vergil means Morrigan is forced into a zoning game, except corners but Silhouette Blade does abymsal damage in the corner. Since Morrigan has no teleport, it's hard to mix it up unless you're content with laming it out, although that isn't necessarily a problem if you prefer to that playstyle.
 
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Solune said:
Depends on if you build a team that way though, like Combofiend's vanilla team.
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I would seriously love to have a team with as much synergy all around as Combofiend's vanilla team as long as I could rock the characters I've found an interest in. Combo's 1.0 team was some of the best stuff ever looking at how every part of it complimented something else without single layer gimmicks. The resets were especially entertaining as you could tell that 9 times out of 10, they weren't accidental.

I'm not the type to roster specialize even if a game like this has some of the sickest potential for combinations and the like, but I feel as though I'm going to have to sooner rather than later if I wanna make something unique with that much flexibility.

Also, am I weird for mostly sticking to original colors on my characters? Iconic design ftw. :lol
 
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DHC synergy is what I learned from MVC2... it was one of the first things I learned in terms of team constructions. If DHCs don't have good/optimum damage you need to consider team order switch or even a character change. Because of this I will never have to consider dropping Vergil because his DHC synergy is godlike like SSS tier because Spiral Swords does more than optimum damage after any hyper that does soft knockdown which is like a shit ton of them if you interrupt them after the last hit.

Also from what I saw at WNF last night, more people are going for resets for the kill and saving meter for safe DHC or for the incoming character instead of busting their load on that one character.
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I noticed this too. This was especially evident in Tatsu, Richard and Justin's play. I honestly think this is the way to play this game barring if you already have a character who TODs meterless like Zero.

On a team of say Vergil/Morrigan/Doom, Any DHC from Vergil means Morrigan is forced into a zoning game, except corners but Silhouette Blade does abymsal damage in the corner.
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For that team I would recommend Morrigan/Vergil/Doom. Blades hyper into Spiral is a godlike DHC not just for damage purposes but also for mix ups or set ups into DT. Vergil + Doom is self sufficient. Vergil can DHC into Sphere Flame from Dimension Slash rather easily if you just wait a bit.
 
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Dahbomb said:
DHC synergy is what I learned from MVC2... it was one of the first things I learned in terms of team constructions. If DHCs don't have good/optimum damage you need to consider team order switch or even a character change. Because of this I will never have to consider dropping Vergil because his DHC synergy is godlike like SSS tier because Spiral Swords does more than optimum damage after any hyper that does soft knockdown which is like a shit ton of them if you interrupt them after the last hit.
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I have to ask you then, what did you think of the stuff I was putting forward in my last team tech post?

The stuff about Vergil is interesting though, because at one point I was trying to engineer some tech based around MarlinPie's anti Phoenix THC-XFC after boiling it down to a template of Screen Filling Hyper/Grounded or Low Hyper/Horizontal or High Hyper with Vergil's Judgement Cut being the asset for the first criteria. (At current, it's Dante/Vergil/Felicia with Dante rushing in C. Viper style.) It's funny that I was thinking about composition for this but general DHC shenanigans weren't the first thing on my mind.
 
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Nyoro SF said:
I hope people realize how difficult those Morrigan fireball combos are. ChrisG's skill level is really amazing.
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Yeah, it's hard to pull it off consistently 20 times in a row. I can't even imagine how scary it can get in a high level match. Stream monsters have no idea how hard it can be against BFF rushdown teams.
A Pretty Panda said:
Color synergy> DHC synergy> hope that everything else works together
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Agreed here
mr. puppy said:
yeah seriously. Morrigan and Strider have the worst fucking colors in the game.
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I can understand Morrigan, but Strider having horrible colors? How...
 
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. Recently though, I've begun to enjoy the idea of Dante (Jam Session)/Morrigan (Dark Harmonizer)/Felicia (Sand Splash/Rolling Buckler).
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Rolling Buckler helps Dante WAY more than Sand Slash although Sand Slash helps Morrigan more. I would honestly play Morrigan on point here too just so you can Shadow Shervant to DT shenanigans and still have a solid duo of Dante + Felicia. IMO Devil Trigger'd Jam Session stuff isn't too worth it, unlike let's say DT'd Rapid Slash of Vergil.

Amaterasu (Cold Shots)/Morrigan (Dark Harmonizer)/Felicia
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I would again play this team with Morrigan on point and Ammy second OR Felicia/Morrigan/Ammy. Ammy can DHC into anything. Rolling Buckler might aid Ammy well enough too so can Sand Splash. Cold Star should provide ample lock down for either Morrigan or Felicia. I like the other team better because of the vertical coverage that Jam Session provides... this team is more focused on capitalizing on Cold Star as that's the best assist on the team and it's better for rushdown (better for a point Felicia).

As far as DHC synergy goes... you don't really have to worry too much since ALL these characters have install hypers to DHC into or out of. You miss out on damage but still have situational advantage in most cases. Install hypers also have more flexibility in creating set ups.
 
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A Pretty Panda

fuckin' called it, man
Wesker and Akuma have some of the worst colors. All their colors blend in for me except for the white Wesker outfit. Of which there are 2.
 
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Honestly, when I'm building teams, assist synergy tends to come first, then DHC synergy, then various other team composition stuff. It's why I'm still a bit apprehensive about Dante/Vergil/Strider. Assist synergy isn't perfect across the board(though it's only really lacking with Vergil on point), and Strider's DHC synergy is pretty bad all around. The only good thing about his DHC is getting him in relatively safely, and DHCing into SS for ToDs.

I am pretty big on team colors, though. If a team can't match colors, I probably won't run that team. :p
 
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mr. puppy

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Frantic said:
Honestly, when I'm building teams, assist synergy tends to come first, then DHC synergy, then various other team composition stuff. It's why I'm still a bit apprehensive about Dante/Vergil/Strider. Assist synergy isn't perfect across the board(though it's only really lacking with Vergil on point), and Strider's DHC synergy is pretty bad all around. The only good thing about his DHC is getting him in relatively safely, and DHCing into SS for ToDs.

I am pretty big on team colors, though. If a team can't match colors, I probably won't run that team. :p
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too bad most people don't think like that. Team Trenchcoat matches absolutely fabulously, but their assist synergy is terrible. I don't care how awesome you think you are, you aren't going to win with just dante's guns and rapid slash as your assists to help in neutral game
 
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A Pretty Panda said:
Wesker and Akuma have some of the worst colors. All their colors blend in for me except for the white Wesker outfit. Of which there are 2.
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They both have a black alt (well Wesker's default is black). Who are you using with? Most characters have a black alt in this game.

Team Trenchcoat matches absolutely fabulously, but their assist synergy is terrible. I don't care how awesome you think you are, you aren't going to win with just weasel shot and rapid slash as your assists to help in neutral game.
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Their assist synergy is godlike but you are right in that Weasel Shot/Rapid Slash aren't assists that are great in controlling the neutral game... just forcing mix ups which is what team trenchcoat specializes in. Dante himself has enough neutral controlling power and Vergil/Wesker just need that one horizontal assist (Weasel Shot) to wreck.

Assist synergy is more important in this game because it's not like in MVC2 where you basically picked 2 points, 1 assist. Now you are basically picking 3 points 2 assists and way more thought process and criteria goes into team selection/ordering.
 
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A Pretty Panda

fuckin' called it, man
When I'm looking for color synergy in a team I want either a red, blue, green, black, or white team. Wesker has black, brown, dark-ass green that might as well be black, dark-ass purple that might as well be black, and 2 white colors. Would have liked some more variety.

Also

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R.I.P. </3.

Miss it already.
 
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Tobe

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one of the things i look in synergy in how to safe tag characters, like magnus into wolvie shockwave/air tempest into charge is somehitng i really like and usually its what i look for.

im considering viper/vergil/akuma tho i wouldnt have that much meter to play viper or vergil at optimal levels.

and enve after checking out other dhc option it seems that morrigan does a bit more damage than most super after vipers combo. hawkeye does ass damage it only get to the 880k, with doom i get with sphere only to 925k and morrigan does 965k which really kill most of the cast.
 
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Richard Ngyn or whatever his last name is. Anyways he hates Dante now so bad. Might be some salt because of yesterday but hes not happy with Dante.
 
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Dahbomb said:
Their assist synergy is godlike but you are right in that Weasel Shot/Rapid Slash aren't assists that are great in controlling the neutral game... just forcing mix ups which is what team trenchcoat specializes in. Dante himself has enough neutral controlling power and Vergil/Wesker just need that one horizontal assist (Weasel Shot) to wreck.

Assist synergy is more important in this game because it's not like in MVC2 where you basically picked 2 points, 1 assist. Now you are basically picking 3 points 2 assists and way more thought process and criteria goes into team selection/ordering.
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how are people even running that team now? Dark Wesker is a shell of what he used to be (even Noel is feeling it, he does Lvl 2 Wesker+Shopping cart now more than Dark Wesker), and Dante Lvl 3 is a reset/mixup machine as long as you are smart and don't blow your x-factor time on his gun super. Maybe Wesker/Vergil/Dante so you have Weasel shot for everyone?
 
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Dahbomb said:
Rolling Buckler helps Dante WAY more than Sand Slash although Sand Slash helps Morrigan more. I would honestly play Morrigan on point here too just so you can Shadow Shervant to DT shenanigans and still have a solid duo of Dante + Felicia. IMO Devil Trigger'd Jam Session stuff isn't too worth it, unlike let's say DT'd Rapid Slash of Vergil.
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Rapid Slash huh... Interesting. I should also make a note that my ideal Morrigan isn't 100% keep away/out but rather built around Soul Fist loops and Soul Drain setups. Also in many cases, while the team composition usually starts in some way with a different point character, the idea is after getting a clean hit with something that puts them into a spinning knockdown or ground bounce state, it's instantly DHCd into Astral Vision.

As for your other stuff, honestly, I only got the itch to try this setup recently, but haven't committed to it yet because Dante (Jam Session)/Felicia (Rolling Buckler)/Strider (Vajira) aka my current theory team is fucking stupid good sounding, no matter how much I feel the need to play with Morrigan more or want anchored Felicia. :lol

I would again play this team with Morrigan on point and Ammy second OR Felicia/Morrigan/Ammy. Ammy can DHC into anything. Rolling Buckler might aid Ammy well enough too so can Sand Splash. Cold Star should provide ample lock down for either Morrigan or Felicia. I like the other team better because of the vertical coverage that Jam Session provides... this team is more focused on capitalizing on Cold Star as that's the best assist on the team and it's better for rushdown (better for a point Felicia).
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Ammy was on point in this hypothetical team to take advantage of slow mode stuff (hopefully after a charged glaive j.H) and switch into a point Morrigan with Cold Shots for lockdown and Felicia for OTG combo extension. The lack of vertical coverage bugged me after making that post and realizing that up back would probably be my bane. Ten there was also the idea that I didn't think about what specifics Rolling Buckler or Sand Splash give Ammy besides "just another assist"/potential high-lows or easier mode OTG relaunch combos. :lol

Felicia with Cold Shots sounds like a cool thing (no pun intended) to play with on a separate team though. [Dante (Jam Session)/Felicia (Rolling Buckler)/Ammy (Cold Shots) maybe?] I'm going to hold on to that one.

As far as DHC synergy goes... you don't really have to worry too much since ALL these characters have install hypers to DHC into or out of. You miss out on damage but still have situational advantage in most cases. Install hypers also have more flexibility in creating set ups.
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Yeah, I definitely appreciate this much about the characters I tried out too. As it stands, I'm still soul searching but I feel like I'm finally getting to my goal, especially with my choice characters:

Dante
Vergil
Zero
Morrigan
Felicia
Ammy
Dormammu
Doom
Phoenix
Dr. Strange

Thanks for entertaining my madness though, it's fun stuff to think about during this time that I can't play the game. :)
 
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