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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT2| New Age of Zeroes

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finalboss2

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pretty sure this sums up final round:



Kusoru : how are you gentlemen

Kusoru : all your money are belong to me

Kusoru : you are on the way to destruction

USA Marvel: what you say

Kusoru : you have no chance of winning, make your time

Kusoru : hahaha
 
JeTmAn81

JeTmAn81

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The saltiest part about Kusoru's victory is that for the most part he relied on a gimmick that our top-level players should've been able to adapt to quickly but did not. You know that's not going to work in the next tourney. Not that he isn't a very good player, because he also showed he was capable of getting victories without the gimmick, using Joe and Frank West very effectively and even some good stuff with Rocket Raccoon on point. But triple jump plus log trap put him over the top.
 
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Dahbomb

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He was just having fun man. I enjoyed his antics. People only got salty because he took away America's pride at the game... if he had gotten like top 3 people would've given him mad props.

His team is not that gimmicky it's really solid. He goes for legit cross ups with that Log trap with Joe on point that is very hard to predict and see. I want to see players run something like Dorm or Magneto with that Log trap and do like teleport or tri-dash.

Why is it in games like SF we have people learning multiple characters so they can take advantage of character match-ups, but we hardly have that in Marvel?
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A lot of the top players have multiple characters and teams in their repertoire. Justin Wong, Yipes, Viscant, ChrisG, PRBalrog etc. Some players just like to play one team at all times like Combo and MarlinPie.

Honestly there is way too much stuff to take into consideration with in Marvel. In MVC2 we had counter pick assists team but even then that wasn't that indepth. In MVC3 we had something similar where you had Haggar beat Tron, Tron + Haggar beat Akuma, Akuma beat Beam and Drones, Beam beat Drones and Haggar so players like Viscant would change up the assist based on the match up. UMVC3 is completely not like this... you can't afford to play a character just for the assist utility. Those who still do that simply lose.

I think everyone needs to have 2 types of teams. One all around team that has a ton of tools to both rushdown and zone plus another team that is based around beating hard zoning or Zero teams. In Vanilla you needed anti-Phoenix teams to survive the meta game but not anymore although you definitely should have some anti-Phoenix tech on your team just in case. It's not enough to have a fully dedicated rushdown team without a godly assist nor is it enough to have a fully dedicated zoning team without a dedicated assist for that particular type of zoning. It's best to have a team that can do it all and adapt to other team configurations.

Also against Kusuru he was lucky to have not run into any Vajra assists (there was a distinct lack of Striders at Final Round). The way he played that set up, it's prone to getting blown up by Vajra. He is also lucky he didn't run into ChrisG.
 
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JeTmAn81

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I'm hoping that my Wesker/Dante/Strider team, if played effectively, is enough to deal with just about any team formation, but when I look at something like Chris G's Morrigan team or Dieminion's team, I'm not sure if it could get through all that. I know I'm certainly weak to zoning as a player. Might have to work on my Hawkeye/Taskmaster/Somebody team a bit more.
 
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Dahbomb

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Yeah people were actually hella salty over Kusoru winning FR.

Really now? You are going to get salty over a guy who is playing Viewtiful Joe/Frank West/Rocket Raccoon, characters who have NEVER made it as far as grand finals before and he beat players like FChamp, Combofiend, Yipes, Mihe/Sam, PRBalrog, Flocker, Justin Wong (bodied him in FT10 MM) etc. to get there. And this guy flew all the way across the globe to compete in a foreign environment. This also isn't the first time this has happened.. Tokido already did so the cherry was already popped. Just be more receptive, own to the loss and level up while keeping an open mind about character worth. Kusuro winning FB is going to do wonders for the Marvel scene in America, EVERYONE has been put on notice again even the tops like Justin.

I think the funniest thing was people rooting for Zero when Mihe was killing off Morrigan. I mean seriously... it's like rooting for Dark Phoenix when she kills She Hulk in Vanilla. I can't imagine the salt in the game if Ghost Rider actually ended up being as good as Morrigan. At casual level, people get HELLA salty over Ghost Rider.
 
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Dahbomb

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There is a lot of stuff that is making people "worse" in the game:

*The standard for what is considered practical and impractical has been dropped so dramatically for this game it's hilarious. At least FR proved that Lightning Loops are actually practical and doable in a tournament setting. We are talking about a series where a ROM infinite was considered the standard BnB for a character and that shit isn't easy.

*The MVC2 mentality that a top player really only has to know like 8 characters to be good at the game. This doesn't apply to UMVC3 at all. The range of characters just in S to A tiers is HALF of the cast. That's right... half of the characters in the game are SERIOUS threats as in they have legitimate cheap stuff that is difficult to deal with. The characters right below them (about an additional 15) are powerful in the right team and definitely very formidable. Again thank god for FR, the range of what is considered viable has actually expanded.

*Having a full on rushdown team will not guarantee you a win even if you are the best in the world (aka Noel Brown). This applied for Vanilla thanks to Derperine and it worked for the early part of UMVC3 when people were still figuring out stuff while the pros went back to the stuff that worked in Vanilla (ie Wolverine + Akuma). Wolverine got a ton of mileage early on but a team where there is no other style of play is going to struggle especially against Zero. Clearly at FR people were bodied handily by Kusoru, ChrisG's team and KinderParty team (which was 100% keep away team of Hawkeye/Task/Arthur).

*If players need to improve their chances of winning something big like EVO... they have to invest in more than 3 characters and multiple teams. There is very rarely a team that can handle all situations in the game and sometimes you may need a specialist team. Or at the very least players need to start playing the staple assist characters like Strider, Doom, Dante, Sentinel, Akuma, Ammy and now RR in case they need a particular assist for a match up. You also don't switch out a character only to put the same type of character in (ie you don't switch out Iron Fist only to put in Felicia despite Felicia being better than IF).

*This mentality of "it's cheap, patch it asap" needs to fucking stop. Unless there is a fundamental fault in the game (like an infinite/loop like let's say LL or Wesker's random Phantom Dance cross up or Dante's Quicksilver), it shouldn't get patched so quickly. It's called learning the damn game instead of bitching about it. People get salty when they lose to something they don't understand and they get caught up in the salty feelings and start asking for patch. I believe this patch era has made players especially lazy in Marvel. I still laugh at people asking for Morrigan nerfs.... these are the same people who said Morrigan was ass going into UMVC3.

*Tiers in UMVC3 matter less than pretty much every other fighting game made. I discuss tiers because it's "fun" and because there is good insight to be had in character discussion (and when someone wins with Joe/RR I don't get blind sided and I am actually aware of what's going on). Damage ratio and X factor ensures that character worth is a lot closer than it appears. At this point in time for UMVC3, player skill matters way more than character worth... like it's 90% player skill + the team synergy they have developed and 10% the characters they actually pick. You don't sleep in a game that has 40+ tournament viable characters (and when I mean viable I mean I can see these characters winning a major or two). Most top players don't realize this yet and still tier whore like crazy or play the character of the month (Sentinel -> Wolverine -> Phoenix -> Wesker - > Doom -> Zero etc).


There is probably more but this covers the gist of it.
 
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Professor Beef

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Dahbomb said:
Yeah people were actually hella salty over Kusoru winning FR.

Really now? You are going to get salty over a guy who is playing Viewtiful Joe/Frank West/Rocket Raccoon, characters who have NEVER made it as far as grand finals before and he beat players like FChamp, Combofiend, Yipes, Mihe/Sam, PRBalrog, Flocker, Justin Wong (bodied him in FT10 MM) etc. to get there. And this guy flew all the way across the globe to compete in a foreign environment. This also isn't the first time this has happened.. Tokido already did so the cherry was already popped. Just be more receptive, own to the loss and level up while keeping an open mind about character worth. Kusuro winning FB is going to do wonders for the Marvel scene in America, EVERYONE has been put on notice again even the tops like Justin.

I think the funniest thing was people rooting for Zero when Mihe was killing off Morrigan. I mean seriously... it's like rooting for Dark Phoenix when she kills She Hulk in Vanilla. I can't imagine the salt in the game if Ghost Rider actually ended up being as good as Morrigan. At casual level, people get HELLA salty over Ghost Rider.
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It's easier to bitch and moan instead of putting in work.

Mah boi D.Brine AgeoJoe will forever be in my Marvel Fave Five.
 
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crimsonspider89

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On top of that, players aren't building teams with good synergy and aren't using neutral assists to cover there holes.

Jwong NEEDS that AA assist for IF and Logan in the long run.

And Viper with one bar or none can blow up MorriDoom via the eye blast or EX thunder knuckle or one of her hypers.

Just as Zero can due to lightning not giving any care about what you do.
 
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Neki

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PICKING UP STRIDER GUIS, I GOTTA STOP THE JAPAN FROM TAKING OVER PSN


I wish I could play Magneto though, I'd like to run Strider/??/Magneto
 
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Kadey

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Wahhhhhhh.

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Tobe

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god im super salty, GG smurf keep making me look free as shit. god sentinel is such a bad character i mean he is supposed to be a tank but wolverine and morrigan have more HP than him WTF!!!! im not gonna rant about how stupid is haggar infinite otg hard knocking cr.H is, but seriously that shit aint right. wasnt haggar as an assist supposed to be vulnerable on startup? cause it doesnt look like it is.

i seriously need to change my team cause it just doesnt work anymore.
 
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Dahbomb

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wasnt haggar as an assist supposed to be vulnerable on startup? cause it doesnt look like it is.
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His legs can be clipped even on close to start up but he's like invulnerable on the starting 2 frames I THINK.

I have heard mixed things about the Lariat to be honest. In matches while it beats a lot of stuff there are times where it does get stuffed out which didn't happen before although it's very rare.
 
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GatorBait

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Dahbomb said:
Kusuro winning FB is going to do wonders for the Marvel scene in America, EVERYONE has been put on notice again even the tops like Justin.
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This has got to be my favorite part about Kusuro winning. Players are going to have to make a shift in the paradigm of how they viewed this game and reevaluate some previously held assumptions. The 1-2 punch of the winner using a Joe/RR/Frank team AND being from Japan is going to make American players hit the lab extra hard.

Seems like a lot of players have been going through the motions lately and relying strictly on their "tried-and-true" tactics from vanilla/month-one UMvC3. New tech and/or character usage is going to blossom from this past weekend, I'm sure. The build up to EVO is going to be amazing. I'm sending in my stream monster shoes for polishing because I am definitely not missing a single major.
 
JeTmAn81

JeTmAn81

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Lothars said:
So will full costume packs be out for both systems tomorrow?
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They're supposed to be. What I'm unclear about is the status of the other costumes in the pack which included the cancelled Magneto costume. Did those ever get released? I want dat Planet Hulk outfit.
 
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Dahbomb

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Spencer and Doom too. Expect to see more of those. Wesker and Wolverine numbers should stay the same because this new Zero environment is toxic for Wesker and Wolverine.

Vergil and Hawkeye are wild cards. Vergil destroys teams when he gets going and has very good match ups plus Spiral Sword is a good answer to any bull shit in the game INCLUDING XFC but he doesn't have favorable match ups against Zero or Spencer (both are like 6-4 against Vergil). His support capability is still very good. Hawkeye has the Zero match up in his belt plus overall utility and if zoning gets more prevalent he is the king of the projectile wars.

It still feels early for Viper, I am waiting for NCR which hosts some of the more prominent non-MarlinPie Vipers.
 
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crimsonspider89

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Yeah but when the Viper Dorm armies emerge, you know people will rage. Dorm armies will go from one touching a char and getting a perfect to chipping out an entire team with ease.

Viper, is Viper. You blink you die. You call an assist, the assist gets seismoed.
 
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smurfx

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gg's killa and tobe. why the hell is spiderman able to block during his web swings? i thought shit like that was over in ultimate? holy shit is it annoying not being to stop a character from getting in for free. spiderman is S tier, i don't care what you people say.
 
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Professor Beef

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First person to quote this with a picture of a rack of ribs gets one of those free one-month PS+ codes from way back. I was hoarding them, but I don't have a credit card to activate them with, so I don't really care about them anymore.
 
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crimsonspider89

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Skrull is good as hell. 50/50 mix ups just out of anywhere.

Also Vergil I see on the MorriDoom combo to serve as an alternate win condition if Morri dies.
 
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Tobe

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Professor Beef said:
First person to quote this with a picture of a rack of ribs gets one of those free one-month PS+ codes from way back. I was hoarding them, but I don't have a credit card to activate them with, so I don't really care about them anymore.


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edit: i cant find other characters to play, i dont like any of the top tiers maybe only viper but then i suck with her. stupid Capcpom why did you nerf magnus :(
 
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Grecco

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finalboss2 said:
^ watching spencer getting zoned out by joe over the weekend was enough for me to not consider him for a good all around team.
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Your loss i guess. Theres still things Spencer can do vs zoning, stuff that i dont think i saw Combofiend/Rog/Yiped do. Plus none of them really have an optimal Spencer team to begin with.
 
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