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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT3| To infinites... and beyond!
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Karsticles
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GGs. The lag was unfortunate, but it wasn't entirely unbearable.
Yeah, I don't think anyone else uses my team. Alioune is the closest.
Drones tend to just get me a lot of free meter via Soul Drain if Dormammu dies to them. I thought all of your teams were good and very viable at beating mine.
If you pick Nova, it's best to give him a pinning assist. I haven't played a Nova for a long time, so it was interesting to see that s.M and s.S seem to hit him at certain heights and prevent his advance. It's something I would like to mess around with more.
The Sentinel choice was interesting, but in my experience Hidden Missiles breaks his combos as often as it earns him combos. My launch team in Vanilla was Sentinel/Dormammu/Doom, and I eventually dropped Sentinel because Hidden Missiles get in the way so often. It's not like it's a bad assist for him or anything, but Sentinel has enough trouble getting a hit in as it is!
You didn't miss anything, that's just the Doom vs. Dormammu matchup. It's probably Dormammu's best matchup, and my team structure just makes it even more ridiculous. Having to air dash to move at all makes it hard for Doom to get in on Dormammu because of both the projectiles coming out and the teleports. I generally don't like to just teleport and run while calling Dark Harmonizer, but it's better than risking getting hit by Foot Dive.
I was 100% free to Dante's j.S and j.H for like a year because I always blocked low.
GGs. Was the counter attempt when you X-Factored against Stalking Flare and then dashed into it? I wondered what the hell happened there, haha. You're definitely improving. I'm trying to figure out how to handle the X-23 matchup, because she's so small that j.S keeps whiffing and getting me killed, and j.H generally doesn't cross up so it's not safe. I end up having to play pure keepaway against her, it seems.
I can definitely tell that you're improving. Your Phoenix team is the most intimidating to me. X-23 is scary as a matchup character, but I don't see why she's there still when Wesker is. They both perform very similar roles. Also, I think you might be the first person to tag in regular Phoenix without 5 bars to save a character, haha.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Yeah, one of my problems is that all three of my characters have different dash speeds, so sometimes I forget how far I go if I do an instant dash xx some move. So I just slammed into the Flare.
Well I spent some time in our match figuring out my hitboxes vs Dormammu, and it seems like S beats your jump attacks clean but it's kind of risky. I definitely tried to spend some time baiting you to tridash because it's the least scary of your options and gives me an opportunity to attack. But sometimes I would screw up my dash unders and cross myself up.
Well it's the team I'm the most familiar with even if I stopped using it for a while, and the main thing I think you're noticing is that I'm getting more comfortable with Wesker again. I screwed up my guard break reset, though. After doing it so well against Q lol
Well low shot is absolutely one of X-23's best assists and I need it to do snap backs late in a combo. I like having wesker second because I can bring him in with his buffs. In a lot of ways she's better at fighting Dormammu than Wesker. She has better normals and better air mobility. The main things I'm working on now are using the right normal for the right situations and properly hit confirming. And knowing the timing on your damned air throws. I kept teching to early or late.
Honestly I don't think X-23/Wesker/Magneto is an awesome team, but it works the best for me right now. X-23/Rocket Raccoon/Magneto I think makes more sense but I won't be able to use Rocket Raccoon well for a while.
It's not just that, I actually prefer to play Phoenix with EMD if I can, and my level 3 x-factor Magneto is way, way better than my Phoenix anything. Phoenix is a lot like Wesker in that she's a character I need to regain comfort with due to disuse. As for Magneto, I tested and I can kinda do dash blasts with our connection but it's so pointless vs Dormammu. Not bad vs Morrigan, though.
Master Milk
Member
Alright, I'm serious this time. I'm gonna learn how to play this game.
I wanna run Phoenix on point.
I kinda want Dorm on anchor.
I can't touch Zero/Dante/Vergil/Wesker.
I wanna run Phoenix on point.
I kinda want Dorm on anchor.
I can't touch Zero/Dante/Vergil/Wesker.
JeTmAn81
Member
Oh yeah, those are so autopilot for me I kind of forget they hit high.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Which Phoenix?
Master Milk
Member
Jean
Karsticles
Member
I know that feeling. I had the damnest time playing Skrull because he ends combos with a dp input + a button opposite of Dormammu. So many Purification L's from full-screen. -_-
I noticed that, which is why I started to just zone you. If I fly and tridash into j.S, it seems like X-23 can just barely crouch under it unless I land on you perfectly, and that's not likely to happen with her zipping around on the ground.
Well, after a while you got predictable. You like to do gunshot, EMD, teleport even when I'm in the air, so I would just wait for you to get that song and dance over with and then fight. It's also not safe against Dormammu if I crouch under the gunshot and just c.M, but I messed up the timing a few times since I've never tried it before.
I think Wesker is more terrifying for Dormammu than X-23, but X-23 has better pressure against him.
I dig that. Why are you anti-Phoenix?
I'm not a big fan of Phoenix with EMD because everyone already wants to turtle against her in the air, and she can't use it to open people up in corners. I actually rather like Dark Hole for her since she has so many overhead options.
You pretty much have one option, and that's Hidden Missiles.
DR2K
Banned
There's another one?
"God's Beard!"
Member
Yeah sometimes I go braindead when I'm playing Wesker/Magneto because the input for gunshot + EMD is so much fun. Hold forward and mash two fingers wheeeeee buster lighting everywhere.
And yeah I hate Dormammu's normals beating projectiles. Ruins my fun.
Emperor Bohe
Member
ggs virtual mode!
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
ggs!
Emperor Bohe
Member
I had some weird input errors, but I did somewhat better than last night haha. your strange is beast
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Okay..my TV is breaking, sometimes half the screen (always the left) goes pure white / red / fritz.
Eventually it fixes itself if I leave it on long enough, but I want to play Marvel badly.
PS3 is fine, it's on an Evo monitor, but I need a suggestion for a new TV. Any suggestions? And yes, this is a thinly veiled I want to play you all.
Eventually it fixes itself if I leave it on long enough, but I want to play Marvel badly.
PS3 is fine, it's on an Evo monitor, but I need a suggestion for a new TV. Any suggestions? And yes, this is a thinly veiled I want to play you all.
Chrisis has a new tier list: http://www.mmcafe.com/tiermaker/umv...x210-d3Weak Support-x310-d4Strong Support-x47
WTF @ Thor being so high?????
WTF @ Thor being so high?????
i've been wanting to play you but i never see you playing marvel anymore. if i do see you on live you are playing some other game.
That's a weird one.
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
Yea it was fun times.
With Strange you never want him to start putting out eyes of agamotto on the screen so you should just disruptor/plasma beam him during the start up.
Master Milk
Member
Funny, that's the team I was going to run in the interim until you guys could help me construct a better one. I guess there might not be a better one though lol
Feels like either a troll or, more likely, once he put his guys at the top he randomly grabbed who was left.
For however weird his tier opinion can be, I'm inclined to believe Chrisis is neither trolling nor chucking random dudes wherever. For one his previous tier lists, he gave a short blurb about why character was exactly where they were, and expect he has some reasoning for the new placements as well, even if it's bizarre.
Yea he picked up Thor like 3 days ago and thinks hes good or something, kinda BS. Anyway, here is his thought on Thor:
Reading that gives me flashbacks to Kinderparty. He was a pretty big proponent of Thor and he originally ran Thor / Taskmaster / Arthur until I showed him the joy that was Nova. We fought for days with him using that team. Backed by Task and Arthur, Thor is a threat, especially linking light mighty sparks into higher levels of mighty spark.
He felt much the same as Chrisis did, too. It'll go away, eventually, as it did for Kinder. Thor isn't bad, but he's not good enough.
He felt much the same as Chrisis did, too. It'll go away, eventually, as it did for Kinder. Thor isn't bad, but he's not good enough.
Thor loses to Wolverine, Zero, Magneto, Wesker, Vergil, Dante, Morrigan, Viper, Hawkeye, Taskmaster even Strange and especially Vajra assist. He gets mauled very easily and he can be kept out. Granted that I agree with him in that he does better against zoning and some top tiers than other characters he is usually tiered with but he's still in no way better than Wolverine and Spencer.
He's solid but he's not that good. Chalk this off to another one of Chrisis' theory fighter character of the day/week. What happened to him hyping up Iron Man and Storm not too long ago? He had both above the mid line in that tier.
He's solid but he's not that good. Chalk this off to another one of Chrisis' theory fighter character of the day/week. What happened to him hyping up Iron Man and Storm not too long ago? He had both above the mid line in that tier.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Thor vs Dante or Magneto isn't so bad, and doesn't Mighty Strike and Mighty Spark both beat Vajra?
Yeah but he's not always going to be doing those moves and since he spends so much time in the air (or he should) he is bound to get clipped by it or have to block it sooner or later. If someone is bad with a Vajra call it can be easily beaten by Mighty Tornado and killed if he decides to XF it.
To me any character who spends a good amount of time in the air is vulnerable to Strider. Technically Doom has the best anti-Vajra move in the game in Sphere flame but he does not have access to that in the air. Same for Iron Man in Repulsar Blast -> Proton Cannon but he can't do that in the air.
To me any character who spends a good amount of time in the air is vulnerable to Strider. Technically Doom has the best anti-Vajra move in the game in Sphere flame but he does not have access to that in the air. Same for Iron Man in Repulsar Blast -> Proton Cannon but he can't do that in the air.
"God's Beard!"
Member
How is that anything resembling the best anti-Vajra move? Because it goes up? It costs a bar and you might not even kill the dude without going nuts. Hell, just calling hidden missiles works. Anything you can do in the air that beats Vajra's hitbox is better. Look at Karst with his Dormammu jM. Thor can get full combos off of Mighty Spark and Mighty Strike in the air if you know what you're doing. Even on the ground stuff like Jam session can be more easily converted for the same cost. Not to mention Thor's Shockwave hyper DHC to install is gonna wreck Vajra's day as well.
I really think your theory fighting is too dismissive in general. Hell, Magneto can just air dash forward and not get hit by Vajra.
"God's Beard!"
Member
I like Magneto's jumping M, but I usually just try to avoid it. All those years playing CAVE shooters.
Alright I might have been exaggerating when I said "best anti-Vajra" move but Sphere Flame is way better than Hidden Missiles because if you use Missiles while on point you are just asking to get killed by the point character. Sphere Flame does a ton of damage to assists and if someone's Vajra gets hit by that they are going to think long and hard before using it again especially if you are sitting on another meter. Sphere Flame also protects you against the point character. If you are going to spend 2 bars to do Mighty Thunder -> Install DHC you might as well do Sphere Flame into Elements which would either kill Strider or put him on life support.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Or you could THC if you're using rocks assist. ヽ(´▽`)ノ♪
Gonna go on in a little if anybody wants to play.
Gonna go on in a little if anybody wants to play.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Someone who has played me a lot- what would my "main" team be?
Holy....I just saw this while reviewing and seeing what I've missed. I think that version of the lightning loop my handicapped hands could do.
So true, but I also still think his HP is too low to regularly win tournaments.
/slow thread, start a fight.
Karsticles
Member
His tiers lists are always wonky about how they place some of the best characters in the game, yet also respectable for noticing how good some of the most underused characters are.
I doubt there is. I used to run Phoenix/Dormammu/Morrigan, and get her 5 bars via Dark Harmonizer, but it's very difficult to pull off in Ultimate with all of her nerfs.
I think Thor has reasonable matchups against all of those characters when backed by the right assist, and by the right assist I mean that Chrisis hit the nail on the head with Dagger Toss. It's so good. I think folks need to play Thor for a while before commenting on his matchups, because he has a lot going for him. I actually consider him the most bewilderingly unpicked character because of how much he has going for him.
He has the same rushdown game Dormammu does only it's much better because his moves have better priority, he has a command grab, and he has a move that destroys projectiles while giving him super armor, all while having the best health in the game. If MastaCJ can do well with Dormammu on point using a rushdown build, there's no reason to think Thor can't. Oh, and his j.L mix-up crosses up.
Vajra is not scary for Thor. j.S, Mighty Spark L, air dash forward, j.M, Mighty Strike L, Mighty Tornado kills Strider on reaction. If you're paranoid, you can go in the air and do Mighty Spark H all day, and it's totally safe while taking off up to 1/3rd of Strider's life if it hits. On the ground, Mighty Smash, s.S, c.M, and Mighty Strike all beat Vajra. Not to mention being able to Mighty Tornado on reaction (started after Strider's teleport started, so within reaction time) anywhere. Thor has so many anti-Vajra options it's hard to believe that you just don't know a lot about the character, Dahbomb.
I consider Nova/Hawkeye/Vajra to be your scariest team, if that helps.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Hmm, I haven't actually used that team yet. Maybe I should though since Nova/Vajra seems to be pretty good.
Sucks that my Strider sucks but that's what Xfactor orbs are for!
Sucks that my Strider sucks but that's what Xfactor orbs are for!
Karsticles
Member
Well, it might just be that I'm free to Nova (until now!), and Hawkeye/Vajra is a maddening combination.
Also, I'm glad that Chrisis explored Hawkeye/Morrigan. Dark Harmonizer is so good for select characters in this game, and it needs more exploration.
I actually used to play Thor a lot in Vanilla. I guess I need more match up practice in Ultimate against Vajra but every time I tried to play him Vajra would clip me unless I cancelled my action into Mighty Tornado. I wanted to give him a shot again with Bolts but I can't play Strange for shit.
Also I was one of the people who talked about Mighty Punish vs Spiral Sword and also figured out the Vergil counter to that (use Devil Trigger to beat out XF Mighty Punish).
Also I was one of the people who talked about Mighty Punish vs Spiral Sword and also figured out the Vergil counter to that (use Devil Trigger to beat out XF Mighty Punish).
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I was thinking of all of the teams I play and realized that- 1. I have no "main" team and 2. on each of these teams there's a character I don't like playing/ I suck with.
With Nova/Spencer/Hawkeye my Spencer is terrible but I pretty much need him to make sure Nova kills off a hit.
With Hawkeye/Wesker/Strider the whole team is a mess because my Wesker and Strider both suck.
Who's the guy that uses Nova/Strider, Marvelo or Marvisto?
With Nova/Spencer/Hawkeye my Spencer is terrible but I pretty much need him to make sure Nova kills off a hit.
With Hawkeye/Wesker/Strider the whole team is a mess because my Wesker and Strider both suck.
Who's the guy that uses Nova/Strider, Marvelo or Marvisto?
I'd offer to play you since statements like this intrigue me, but I know you hate Zero
.A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Everyone hates Zero though lol.
Karsticles
Member
Ah, that may be the case, then. You could try Dagger Toss instead of Bolts of Balthakk. Both are very good for him. Gun Fire might also work - it wasn't bad when I tried it back when.
I thought you just liked to troll with a lot of off-teams. I didn't know you considered yourself to have no main team. I dig the "one character I don't like" dilemma. What would you say are your 5 favorite characters to play with?
I'll still play you even though you use Zero. I don't actually hate Zero's neutral, I just hate how goddamn long his combo are. They were the most boring thing in Vanilla, and they got longer. -_- It's all the hitstop on his multi-hit moves. It takes like a whole second just for his s.H to hit.I'd offer to play you since statements like this intrigue me, but I know you hate Zero
"God's Beard!"
Member
I've been wanting to get back to using Thor since he was my dude in Vanilla, but I can't figure out a way to make him work for me. My brain says play Wesker/Thor/Strange, but I don't think it's really my style.
True, but Karst didn't complain about the character per se, I believe the last time we played I bored him due to the above reason
.Understandable, of course, but it's like ouch.
I still think Nova >>>> Dorm, though
.QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
probably has something to do with the long ass block stun they cause and the fact they come out pretty fast and beat almost every other beam
Daggers beat beams?
THE MORE YOU KNOW!
Also what is up with all these Wolverine dive kick videos popping up?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4g8b7D1M9c
THE MORE YOU KNOW!
Also what is up with all these Wolverine dive kick videos popping up?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4g8b7D1M9c