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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT3| To infinites... and beyond!
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A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
You leave Nova alone.
WesternHeretic
Member
Screw that buff him.
My idea for UMVC 2013.
Buff
Ghost Rider
Firebrand
Hawkeye
Strider Hiryu
Doctor Strange
Nemesis
Iron Fist
Vergil
Nova
Phoenix Wright
Rocket Raccoon
Frank West
Ryu
Morrigan
Chris
Dante
Felicia
Chun-Li
Trish
Amaterasu
Viewtiful Joe
Tron
Wesker
Spencer
Arthur
Zero
Crimson Viper
Haggar
Akuma
Hsien-Ko
Jill
Wolverine
Iron Man
Hulk
Deadpool
Captain America
Dr. Doom
Super Skrull
Thor
Dormammu
X-23
Spider-Man
M.O.D.O.K.
Magneto
She-Hulk
Storm
Phoenix
Taskmaster
Sentinel
Shuma-Gorath
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Getting rid of dumb grab range is fine but what difference does it make if he gets less time to combo off a grab?
crimsonspider89
Banned
Getting rid of Nova's grab range completely takes any threat Nova has on point away. The retarded grab range is what makes him a good character. How he opens people. He doesn't have great high lows and he has some left rights but it is the grab range that enables Nova to be good.
The time can be decreased a little but without the grab range, half his game disappears.
The time can be decreased a little but without the grab range, half his game disappears.
Oh damn, there I go with those double edit inputs. Someone was discussing with me a while back how grabs in Marvel work (something about everyone's ranges actually being the same but something in the look of animations making them look wider or easier than they are) and I wrote that much up as a result.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Ah so it probably has to do with the j. H of each character then? Nova does seem to pull himself in.
crimsonspider89
Banned
Yeah the grab range is determine by the st. H/j. H plus there model, why Ammy has such a good grab range with her air grab.
DeadPhoenix9065
Member
Phoenix
TK shot H
-buff tracking only as Dark Phoenix
-add more frames before it self-destructs only as regular Phoenix
TK traps L,M
-add more frames before naturally fade
Healing field
-heals red health during animated hypers instead of disappearing
-reduce damage while active by 10% as regular Phoenix
-reduce damage while active by 5% as Dark Phoenix
OR
Just raise health back to 420,000
Trish
Implant
-Sticks Sparda into the ground.
-Can act as an OTG by calling it back.
-Round trips when called.
-Sparda returns automatically when blocking. Same as Round Harvest or round trip
-Can do Round Harvest while implanted. OTG's first, then scythe forms, and spins.
One move I'd hope Trish would get that she had in DMC2.
That's what I want and I'm sticking to it...
Though Healing Field looks iffy...
TK shot H
-buff tracking only as Dark Phoenix
-add more frames before it self-destructs only as regular Phoenix
TK traps L,M
-add more frames before naturally fade
Healing field
-heals red health during animated hypers instead of disappearing
-reduce damage while active by 10% as regular Phoenix
-reduce damage while active by 5% as Dark Phoenix
OR
Just raise health back to 420,000
Trish
Implant
-Sticks Sparda into the ground.
-Can act as an OTG by calling it back.
-Round trips when called.
-Sparda returns automatically when blocking. Same as Round Harvest or round trip
-Can do Round Harvest while implanted. OTG's first, then scythe forms, and spins.
One move I'd hope Trish would get that she had in DMC2.
That's what I want and I'm sticking to it...
Though Healing Field looks iffy...
Thor is really fun to play, that doesn't change how I feel about the character in terms of viability, but he's really fun.
Why is there a Wesker combo in this video, why is the music bad, why is there repeated footage. Terrible video, and that's really bad considering this is coming from the person who was supposed to come up with "High Impact Dante"
Karsticles
Member
Azure, I like your changes for the most part. Ones I disagree with:
-Assists don't add HSD to my knowledge. Outside of throws, HSD is 100% timer-based.
-Hsien-ko's armor can stay the same on point.
-Morrigan's mirrored Soul Fists don't build meter, FYI - I don't think she needs meter gain nerfed during AV
-No Dante buffs; he's fine.
-Replace C. Viper's Thunder Knuckle assist instead of Seismo.
-Why change Formation B's input?
-Why does Dr. Strange need an OTG?
-Give him a 4-way air dash at most
-Frank West doesn't need the nerf, he's well-balanced and needs something at level 1
Healing Field is still crap, it should always heal her red health if it is to be useful at all. Or make it damage based so she has to stay offensive, but not necessarily rush down.
-Assists don't add HSD to my knowledge. Outside of throws, HSD is 100% timer-based.
-Hsien-ko's armor can stay the same on point.
-Morrigan's mirrored Soul Fists don't build meter, FYI - I don't think she needs meter gain nerfed during AV
-No Dante buffs; he's fine.
-Replace C. Viper's Thunder Knuckle assist instead of Seismo.
-Why change Formation B's input?
-Why does Dr. Strange need an OTG?
-Give him a 4-way air dash at most
-Frank West doesn't need the nerf, he's well-balanced and needs something at level 1
I'd like it if it just sped the game up. Sort of like Magneto's throw changes in Ultimate. You can't just fuck around and then pick me up two seconds later. He can still get full combos off the throws, just make it take a bit of effort.
Trish would get a move called "Implant".
Healing Field is still crap, it should always heal her red health if it is to be useful at all. Or make it damage based so she has to stay offensive, but not necessarily rush down.
When do you want to play our tournament matches?
Karsticles
Member
Anyone up to play?
And someone on SRK wants to nerf Dormammu's level 3. OMGWTFBBQLOL
And someone on SRK wants to nerf Dormammu's level 3. OMGWTFBBQLOL
Karsticles
Member
I don't know any good videos on plink dashing, but I bet the Street Fighter community has put some great ones up about plinking in general.
I would watch a lot of Shuma-Gorath gameplay from good players before deciding on that one. You either want to be dedicated to him as a point character or really need his assist for your team to make it worthwhile. His combos are hard as hell.
Alright, thanks. I appreciate the advice.
Karsticles
Member
I see no Zero in this post.
Iron Fist, PW and Hsien Ko would still be garbage. Magneto and Viper would be best characters in the game. Not much would actually change it's just that the top tiers wouldn't be so over bearing.
Just read those Chrisis changes and they aren't bad. IM needs a proper wave dash at the bare minimum as well. I like that he doesn't go overboard with the changes, I know I would if given the chance.
I think the "assist adding HSD" is a bit weird since HSD is mostly time dependent. I guess he means they should restore it to Vanilla status where assists weren't affected by HSD.
Blistering Sword for Vergil on default is TOO fucking good. LOLOLOL.... WTF!!!! Vergil basically gains cheaper high low, superior pressure and a godly zoning game.
Karsticles
Member
Many Chrisis changes are mega ass. Highlighting the worst ones:
Akuma
+Allow Akuma to cancel specials into demon flip.
C. Viper
+Allow DHC into EX Seismic hammer.
Chris (why not just call him "Deadpool"?)
+Give him an air 6C like his air 2C, except horizontal.
+Allow him to throw grenades while in the air.
Firebrand
-Reduce block stun on all standing normals.
-Remove meter gain in luminous body.
Morrigan:
-Shadowblade hit/block stun reduced very slightly.
-Reduce duration of Astral Vision by 25%.
-Reduce base damage and thus meter gain of Soul Fist.
Spencer:
+Health buff to 1,150.
+Air version of Bionic arm straight down similar to bionic bomber.
Wesker
+Return old gunshot float value.
Doctor Strange
+8 way air dash.
Hulk
+Gamma charge air okay, works like the air follow ups.
Magneto
+Faster recovery on forcefield, can combo from it on hit. Counts as throw starter for damage scaling.
Wolverine
+Small invulnerability returned to Berzerker Slash. Not to vanilla levels however.
X-23
+Crescent scythe has medium durability and thus destroys projectiles.
What is this shit?
Akuma
+Allow Akuma to cancel specials into demon flip.
C. Viper
+Allow DHC into EX Seismic hammer.
Chris (why not just call him "Deadpool"?)
+Give him an air 6C like his air 2C, except horizontal.
+Allow him to throw grenades while in the air.
Firebrand
-Reduce block stun on all standing normals.
-Remove meter gain in luminous body.
Morrigan:
-Shadowblade hit/block stun reduced very slightly.
-Reduce duration of Astral Vision by 25%.
-Reduce base damage and thus meter gain of Soul Fist.
Spencer:
+Health buff to 1,150.
+Air version of Bionic arm straight down similar to bionic bomber.
Wesker
+Return old gunshot float value.
Doctor Strange
+8 way air dash.
Hulk
+Gamma charge air okay, works like the air follow ups.
Magneto
+Faster recovery on forcefield, can combo from it on hit. Counts as throw starter for damage scaling.
Wolverine
+Small invulnerability returned to Berzerker Slash. Not to vanilla levels however.
X-23
+Crescent scythe has medium durability and thus destroys projectiles.
What is this shit?
SolarKnight
Member
He has to be trolling on this one, right? :|
There are many characters that could use a buff or two. Spencer is not one of them.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Don't you have to change that if you want to get rid of the infinite?
Karsticles
Member
You could find other ways, like changing the float it causes. Personally, I don't consider her infinite to be a problem, and I doubt it ever will be. No more than Super-Skrull's infinite is. A very long series of 1F links that do crap damage isn't worth nerfing a whole move over.
My big problem with his list is that I don't think he's considering his changes all that much. It's cool to do something like give Super-Skrull a 4 way air dash or remove the recovery on Kikoken. Those are good ideas. But then he has crazy shit like giving Magneto a 3F reversal that leads into full combos and giving C. Viper a DHC that's invincible and leads into ToD combos.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Give Frank West something so shitty Frank West players do something other than hail mary super jump forward.
SolarKnight
Member
Give him the roll at lv1? It'd help a lot really. If they do that, they could move the kick specials to lv2 so that it's not left without any gained benefits.
crimsonspider89
Banned
I am fine with some changes but people are pretty much doing stupid shit when forgetting the core playstyle of the character.
Which is what I am expecting a lot of the lists to be. Stupid buffs and stupid nerfs.
Which is what I am expecting a lot of the lists to be. Stupid buffs and stupid nerfs.
Karsticles
Member
Sven: "I'm satisfied with UMvC3 sales at this point and it continues to sell actively."
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/...are-now-satisfactory-continues-sell-actively/
It's good to hear that Capcom went from displeased to pleased with the sales.
OMFG I just got the following to work once (and probably only once):
Morrigan j.S, s.LM, c.MH, f.H, j.MMH, Soul Fist H, Fly, ADD, j.H, Soul Fist H, Unfly, s.MH, c.H, s.S, sj.MMH, Shadow Blade M, Fly, j.H, TAC up to Phoenix, j.MMH, f.H, Fly, j.MH, TK Shot L, Phoenix Rage -> Astral Vision, jump, Soul Drain, Fly, Soul Drain, j.S (hits into hard knockdown)
I could probably Soul Drain x Shadow Servant, but I as so shocked it worked that I didn't think of it until now. This will probably never work again, but I wanted to share.
Ended with 4.3 bars of meter. Not sure what the damage was because I was too excited.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/...are-now-satisfactory-continues-sell-actively/
It's good to hear that Capcom went from displeased to pleased with the sales.
It's like the Wolverine Dive Kick, minus the good. You can't blame baddies for spamming that!
OMFG I just got the following to work once (and probably only once):
Morrigan j.S, s.LM, c.MH, f.H, j.MMH, Soul Fist H, Fly, ADD, j.H, Soul Fist H, Unfly, s.MH, c.H, s.S, sj.MMH, Shadow Blade M, Fly, j.H, TAC up to Phoenix, j.MMH, f.H, Fly, j.MH, TK Shot L, Phoenix Rage -> Astral Vision, jump, Soul Drain, Fly, Soul Drain, j.S (hits into hard knockdown)
I could probably Soul Drain x Shadow Servant, but I as so shocked it worked that I didn't think of it until now. This will probably never work again, but I wanted to share.
Ended with 4.3 bars of meter. Not sure what the damage was because I was too excited.
Karsticles
Member
Opponents please!
Edit: Bullshit discovered. If you TAC from a character to another character, and then back to the first character, the special move limit applies to that character as though they never left the air from their original combo.
In other words, if I do this with Morrigan:
s.S, sj.MMH, Shadow Blade, Fly, j.H, TAC to Phoenix
If Phoenix TACs back to Morrigan, I can Shadow Blade, but not fly cancel it.
Edit: Bullshit discovered. If you TAC from a character to another character, and then back to the first character, the special move limit applies to that character as though they never left the air from their original combo.
In other words, if I do this with Morrigan:
s.S, sj.MMH, Shadow Blade, Fly, j.H, TAC to Phoenix
If Phoenix TACs back to Morrigan, I can Shadow Blade, but not fly cancel it.
The Akuma, Chris and Hulk buffs are nice but the rest are garbage.
I thought the list that Azure posted was the final one but I guess not... he DID went a bit overboard.
Half way through DmC... AAAAWWWW YYYYEEEAAAA
DeadPhoenix9065
Member
ha didn't even realize that. Maybe "Implanting" would sound nicer. I wonder why they didn't add that as a move to begin with? opens up a lot of new damage. especially for adding to traps and such.
Damage based? Her damage or the opponent? please explain
Karsticles
Member
I don't like the Chris changes because he meshes him more with Deadpool. Now all that separates them aside from normals is teleport vs. land mine.
I think giving Hulk an armored dive kick is stupid.
Akuma is already really good and safe just by jumping and throwing fireballs. I don't think it's a good idea to let him throw double fireballs while advancing or get free cross-ups from his fireballs (jump, qcf.H, rdp.H).
Naw, keep the amusing reference.
By "damage based", I just meant that she could heal whenever attacking an opponent. Fireballs would count, blocked attacks would count, etc.
Want to play?
DeadPhoenix9065
Member
Oh. That would be interesting to see. But it won't be much of help if she is trying to dodge a teleporter. Say Vergil. If she's clipped, it's over for her.
Instead of having the opponent in the stupid bubble why not just heal her whenever. That would be helpful and it greatly helps Phoenix.
Man I could do this all day.
I'll play give me 15 min
Karsticles
Member
I'd be cool with that change. It's just so crappy right now.
I know that feeling. There's a spreadsheet in the OP with people's XBL/PSN listings on it.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
How do you fix Iron Fist?
Killa Sasa
Member
Find a way for him to convert something, anything, when people jump.
Go into the air. Congrats, you just beat iron fist.
teleport, give everybody a teleport.
Command grabs, ground and anti-air. A roll or dodge.
Two things:
1. Does anyone here know exactly what Vanilla Dante's minimum damage scaling values were on specials and normals?
2. I fixed up some more of my proposed change list, check the post again for the details.
1. Does anyone here know exactly what Vanilla Dante's minimum damage scaling values were on specials and normals?
2. I fixed up some more of my proposed change list, check the post again for the details.
It's definitely not 100% timer-based. I have a theory that, depending on numerical value of damage caused and damage state (Ground Bounce, Wall Bounce, Crumple, Spinning Knockdown, etc) influences HSD.
What's your schedule like for the week?
Pretty sure it was 15% for specials and 10% for normals.
AnkiRendan
Member
Plugged out the PS3 by accident, be back in a minute Slasher!
Awesome, just wanted to make sure before I suggested my safe 10/10 for minimum scaling values on him. Haha, looks like it'll be 5% on normals and 10% on specials if I had to give him a buff of any sort.
Make it so you can do Rising Fang rekka on it's own.
5/5 is just... stupid, especially when they singled him out only for that scaling value. But it's clear they don't want Dante to be the character that can do everything. A jack of all trades but a master of none character.
Also I can't even find a proper changelog for Dante, SRK OP of Dante changes is lol. Don't even have damage nerfs like Volcano in the OP wtf?
The information provided by Capcom was just really vague in general regarding Dante changes in Ultimate. There were just these minor adjustments to the way all of his normals hit/pushed back, and only his moves. And some of his moves were double nerfed due to scaling.