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Yes, but the how part varies between characters.
Why?
hes soooo good though.
dear lord this game is 3x more infuriating online when you are having pad problems. -_- guess i'm done till i get a new pad. stupid madcatz pads don't last at all. its always one stupid button and then d-pad problems. sucky thing is that the pads i like are getting harder to find.
Didn't see that post before I invited, sorry to hear Smurf. My pad is already showing signs of being overworked (ah the joys of playing Viper) and now I'm so scared. :lol
If we don't play during this weekend, I'll just bite the bullet and get a year's worth of Live and use it as a swan song for the 360.
If we don't play during this weekend, I'll just bite the bullet and get a year's worth of Live and use it as a swan song for the 360.
He is. I just decied to go to an easier character to play
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WesternHeretic
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Say what you want about stick being more expensive but that shit last you a decade. Return on investment ladies!
I feel like I take a year off of UMVC3 not even look at the game, and still complete 90% of doom's combos (minus tac swag combo, and infiinte) on first try.
I feel like I take a year off of UMVC3 not even look at the game, and still complete 90% of doom's combos (minus tac swag combo, and infiinte) on first try.
I use doom/dante/strider. Someone please educate me! On a side note, a competently played spidey is terrifying and annoying simultanously.
The Mango Sentinel
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I feel more threatened by Spider-Man than almost any other character. Luckily you see him almost never, but God help me if I come across him during a tourney, I'm probably screwed. I know it's probably a dumb question, but have you tried dashing upward with Doom? Possibly double jumping with Dante, or maybe using his hammer (?....the qcf+L twice in the air, don't know what it's called) cause I think it has invincibility or some shit. Maybe Strider's qcf+L or H. Possibly doing some DHC nonsense from Doom to Dante's Devil Trigger.
Professor Beef
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Anyone on PSN want to Marvel?
I didn't try air-dashing/double jumping- I'll have to try it out in training mode and see how it works. Hammer doesn't have invincibility on start-up so that wouldn't be an option. Looking the hit/hurtbox guide on youtube, looks like trying to get above it may be the best option, since it grabs in front/below him.
Spidey is like Spencer except before he wrecks your shit, he runs away for twenty seconds in unpredictable patterns. I'd always assumed if I ran into a Spiderman, vajra would completely ruin his day and he'd be free as hell. This guy I was playing didn't get hit by vajra ONCE.
Professor Beef
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After playing COTA recently, I kinda miss Sentinel's old Plasma Storm. And his down HK in the air.
The Mango Sentinel
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Someone posted a Strider video with him doing instant overheads with either H or S. How do you do that? I'd like to step my Strider game up since he's an essential part of my new team.
If you double tap up fwd really fast, double jump cancels your upward momentum and you can instant overhead with jump h. I take the easy way out and do qcf l after the h to guarantee the combo, but it scales the damage quite a bit.
Better streams, players levelling up by moving to teams that teach them to actually play the game. There's a reason we haven't seen Zero win a major tournament since Vanilla.
Lee Chaolan
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It's still crazy to think Zero May Cry hasn't won a major tourney yet.
It's not.
biosnake20
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New Alioune Tier list
"God's Beard!"
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My boy Alioune knows what's up. Magneto is the best.
Lee Chaolan
Member
I dunno man, Richard Nguyen is due his time.
New Alioune Tier list
These lists are always fun to look at. Iron Man above Sentinel?
Zero's HP is too low and he's not fast enough (which is a bad combination). He's still incredibly powerful, but those are his faults.
"God's Beard!"
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SHOCKWAVE
I LOVE baiting out shockwave's when I play Zero.
But, yes, that's an example of an issue for Zero
.XxSlasherMcGirkxX
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GGs earlier Kevo you Nova is really solid now.
"God's Beard!"
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I LOVE baiting out shockwave's when I play Zero.
But, yes, that's an example of an issue for Zero
...but how do you stop it once it's baited?
The return on investment isn't there. The time spent learning ZMC could be spent learning another top tier team or set of charecters that are about as good but much less execution dependent.
Lee Chaolan
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I get what you're saying, but once your execution is down, you don't have to learn it again. Dante obviously is the weakpoint if Vergil is snapped it, and Dante is left as the Anchor, but there's still enough tools to work with.
No he's not, Zero's the best and rightfully so.
The Mango Sentinel
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I always forget he has a double jump...I rarely ever use it. Thanks. Today I realized Doom with Strider assist is really fucking annoying. I mean I beat the guy 32-20 but goddamn he made me work hard
The problem is that the team is all-in on Zero/Dark Vergil. And Zero's just not a good enough plan vs the modern top-tier teams because they can zone him out. Zero does not deal well with the screen filling up with crap. Wesker has the same issue.
Lee Chaolan
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Yeah, Ultimately I think Zero Doom Vergil will be the way it evolves, but it's a shame, because as was said, Jam session is just nasty with Zero.
kevo_huevo
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GGs Slasher. Thanks. Still doesn't feel good getting hit by PW's level 3 lol
Professor Beef
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He'd be a monster.
Sougenmu doesn't last long enough for that.
*I* would never use that as an argument, although it's not entirely invalid. I still maintain speed + low HP does him in.
No thanks, Slasher is scary enough already.
His health is only an issue in certain matchups where chip can be a deciding factor, otherwise it's not really any different than Magneto or Vergil's health. Zero tends to have more options in those matchups, anyways, imo.
Speed is debateable. Zero's movement options are fast and great if you've got the execution for it, and his backwards wavedash is godlike. I think Zero's speed comes down to whether or not you can manage it.
Then again, maybe I'm just jealous of 5 frame jabs and ToDs.
Lee Chaolan
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He really needed something like this, even like a 10 second begin with TA would help immeasurably. I know his invincible assists were 'broken' but he really needed that to help his character more.
If we ever get one more patch I'd love a hell of a PW buff.
WesternHeretic
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His health is only an issue in certain matchups where chip can be a deciding factor, otherwise it's not really any different than Magneto or Vergil's health. Zero tends to have more options in those matchups, anyways, imo.
Speed is debateable. Zero's movement options are fast and great if you've got the execution for it, and his backwards wavedash is godlike. I think Zero's speed comes down to whether or not you can manage it.
Then again, maybe I'm just jealous of 5 frame jabs and ToDs.
Spencer has more hp, tod, and a command throw!!!
He just doesn't have as much bull shit mix up. I settle on having a Zero team, and a Spencer team.
Maybe I can make Zero/Spencer/Dante work, but that just doesn't feel right.
Lee Chaolan
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Haha, makes me wonder if there's a video of Zero up on the Vita with all them hitboxes. Shouldn't be too tricky with the Vita controls?
I'm sure there is. I think fingercramp has made a hitbox/hurtbox guide on youtube for every character at this point. Really helpful for figuring out how to deal with a lot of stuff.
Zero/Doom/Vergil is my main team, BEEN PLAYING IT FIRST FUCK OUTTA HERE.
Also Zero isn't the best but he's damn good. He's too much risk cause he dies in 1 touch, now ppl say u can't count that as a negative because everyone can die in 1 touch but that's not the case, a dropped combo on wesker/spencer/task etc can give you another shot at coming back, with zero, he'll die by the time the combo drops (for the most part). Now who's the best character by themselves in this game? I dunno but health does have a say.
Also Zero isn't the best but he's damn good. He's too much risk cause he dies in 1 touch, now ppl say u can't count that as a negative because everyone can die in 1 touch but that's not the case, a dropped combo on wesker/spencer/task etc can give you another shot at coming back, with zero, he'll die by the time the combo drops (for the most part). Now who's the best character by themselves in this game? I dunno but health does have a say.
MiniBossBattle
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Can someone explain Firebrand's unblockable setups/moves?
I like how Zero players never come up with a #1 choice over Zero themselves.
Magneto? Doesn't do nearly as much damage and has the same health. Plus does not have herp derp full screen projectile confirmations or mid screen air to air cross ups nor does he have the caliber of normals or safety that Zero has.
Vergil? Non existent air mobility, Burns through meter faster than Zero and is a bigger liability on point than Zero due to low air mobility, no real zoning game and same health class. You can make the point of Dark Vergil but a snap back into clean mix ups owns him bad. You can't mix up Zero like that since he starts the round with Buster charged.
Viper? Zero owns this match and she has to use Strider assist to compete with him.
Wolverine? Terrible match up for him, he has to use something like Mystic Ray to breach Zero's aerial defense. Even then its not a good look.
Morrigan? Argument can be made that she beats Zero if assisted but she gets wrecked by a Wolverine plus beam combo or a Vergil plus Strider. Her damage output and in coming mix ups are weak meaning she is opening up her team to dark Vergil comebacks.
Hawkeye/Dorm/Task? 3 characters that have decent match ups against Zero but they get rocked by other characters much harder.
Doom? Every top tier owns him 1v1, you have to make the case then that Doom is the best in the game due to his top support game in which case you aren't really comparing him with Zero because they serve different roles and can be both put into the same team.
Phoenix? Strider? Wesker? Don't make me laugh.
Spencer? Dante? Nova? Lvl5 Frank?
Magneto? Doesn't do nearly as much damage and has the same health. Plus does not have herp derp full screen projectile confirmations or mid screen air to air cross ups nor does he have the caliber of normals or safety that Zero has.
Vergil? Non existent air mobility, Burns through meter faster than Zero and is a bigger liability on point than Zero due to low air mobility, no real zoning game and same health class. You can make the point of Dark Vergil but a snap back into clean mix ups owns him bad. You can't mix up Zero like that since he starts the round with Buster charged.
Viper? Zero owns this match and she has to use Strider assist to compete with him.
Wolverine? Terrible match up for him, he has to use something like Mystic Ray to breach Zero's aerial defense. Even then its not a good look.
Morrigan? Argument can be made that she beats Zero if assisted but she gets wrecked by a Wolverine plus beam combo or a Vergil plus Strider. Her damage output and in coming mix ups are weak meaning she is opening up her team to dark Vergil comebacks.
Hawkeye/Dorm/Task? 3 characters that have decent match ups against Zero but they get rocked by other characters much harder.
Doom? Every top tier owns him 1v1, you have to make the case then that Doom is the best in the game due to his top support game in which case you aren't really comparing him with Zero because they serve different roles and can be both put into the same team.
Phoenix? Strider? Wesker? Don't make me laugh.
Spencer? Dante? Nova? Lvl5 Frank?
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
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Interesting but terrible idea IMO. First it would eliminate is gimmick which is central to his playstlye and second he would be way too powerful as a starting character.
I always ponder how exactly the could buff Wright without breaking him. I used to think that infinite tournabout was a bad idea, but lately I think it wouldn't be so bad. I don't see why Dark Phoenix and lvl5 Frank can keep their powered up forms and not Wright. DP and lvl5 Frank are just as good if not better than turnabout Wright and they keep their's.
Even Phoenix and Frank can achieve their super modes without even partipating in the match. The first two characters on a Phoenix team can get 5 bars before even Phoenix is played. DP obtained. For Frank simple DHC combo's plus photo generally get him 3-4 lvls and sometimes even all 5. Lvl5 Frank obtained. Then we have Wright who has to get 3 good evidence's AND land an Objection AND he gets a timer. When I was playing Kevo earlier I almost had turnabout 3 times in a single match and thinking how crazy that was and how short the timer really is.