Karsticles
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Oh sure. It's just weird to never see a team combination, and then see it several times in a week.
Woah, where've you been?
Hahahaha.
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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT3| To infinites... and beyond!
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A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
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Wat
I knew this was a thing from messing with raw tag combos this weekend. Surprised to see a few top tier members of Mahvel-GAF's R&D crew being surprised by this.
:lol
Karsticles
Member
That's just how unexplored this game is!
It's too bad I don't use Morrigan second on my teams. Two Dark Harmonizer calls...
So if I'm getting this right:
Team is denoted A B C
A combos, uses up B assist
DHC makes order B A C
Second DHC makes order C A B
B is now in the third position, so B can use C's unused assist.
Awesome stuff.
Karsticles
Member
You have it right sir.
I think I might have a ridiculous idea for a "Betcha Cant Combo This" entry with this assist reuse thing going on. I was already thinking about a full screen corner carry using Million Carats juggles. Thing that sucks though is that I definitely don't have a camera to record anything with. 
I think I might have a ridiculous idea for a "Betcha Cant Combo This" entry with this assist reuse thing going on. I was already thinking about a full screen corner carry using Million Carats juggles. Thing that sucks though is that I definitely don't have a camera to record anything with.
If I have extra time this week I could record it and send the video back to you so you can upload it to your channel.
WoW. Almost exalted with the last two reps that I need to be so the "required" time is about to drop like a rock.
Also, two buddies got invited to Curleh Mustache, so I have to play this week to help them prep.
They obviously saw my post on GAF and thought it was genius.
Killa Sasa
Member
Holy crap, you're back.
Need to get some matches with ya before Thursday -- could always use some Space Cop and Astro Boy practice.
Will do, I'll start lounging around trolling for invites.
I'm going to lab it up and see what I come up with just to give you exact notations (if possible). Right now, all I'm thinking is:
j.H - s.MH - Stinger + Viper Burn Kick assist - Volcano - TK'd Million Carats - s.H - c.H + Strider Vajra assist - s.S - TK'd Million Carats xx Devil Trigger - walk up Million Carats...
And then my mind goes blank. :lol
At the same time though, I wonder, maybe I should do a cool opening using the weird properties on the Multilock projectile for whiffed Stinger - BC Volcano - stuff concept.
Chris/Dante/Strider is like fighting those bosses in old NES games that would take up one side of the screen. Letting it get any more real estate than that is GGs automatically.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I hope it doesn't suck.
this dude has a ton of great synergy with Task/Trish/Frank: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=884dIbeNHxw&list=UUPxSJ17l04eosjpT52EJ2lg&index=1&feature=plcp
go through his youtube video for all kinds of cool stuff
go through his youtube video for all kinds of cool stuff
Karsticles
Member
AKA "I hope that movie isn't Iron Man tier."
More on Ghost Rider:
So I spent about 2 hours messing with him in training mode, and I decided that to really utilize him, he needs stuff that lets him combo off of a j.S when it's an instant overhead. As far as I can tell, there are only 4 assists that let him do this from anywhere on any member of the cast:
Greyhound
Plasma Beam
Unibeam
Dagger Toss
Since this is my projectile assist for the team, it's likely that this character will anchor. It's also likely, since I'm using Ghost Rider, that my anchor will have a ton of meter coming in. So, Hawkeye and Arthur seem like the best fits. Doom has no use for excess meter, and Iron Man is Iron Man. Between Arthur and Hawkeye, I'll try Hawkeye first. I don't see a compelling reason to pick one over the either, though. XF3 Arthur isn't a strong argument because it's likely that I'll burn my X-Factor to get a Penance Stare somewhat often. I also slightly lean toward Hawkeye because Arthur stays on the screen for a while, and Ghost Rider can't protect assists well when he's trying to get in.
My other thought was that maybe I don't want to use Ghost Rider on point. He has a really nice assist, and he also has two good hypers to DHC into. Spirit of Vengeance gains hyper armor on frame 1 when DHCing, meaning that it's good for punishing assists, and it would be nice to have a way to safely DHC into Penance Stare through another hyper.
I decided to mess with some other things to help determine my other partner, since there are a lot of interesting options for quick DHCs. One thing that has been bothering me about Ghost Rider is that he gets a lot of throws and air throws, but all he can do off of them is Spirit of Vengeance, which isn't really worth a bar to me unless it kills. I also think that Maelstrom is a crappy level 1 that doesn't do a lot of damage in practice. Then it hit me - a lot hitting assist! Ghost Rider does have the longest range overhead in the entire game. What if I called a low hitting assist while doing j.S for unblockables on wakeup?
I went through and tested all the low hitting assists, and Felicia's came out too slow to combo off of a j.S if I called them both simultaneously (I'd like to be able to use this for combos off an instant overhead, too), X-23's was pure crap, and Wesker's only worked when I was very close. Deadpool's worked at mid-range. She-Hulk's low hitting assist turns out to always hit regardless of the range at which I j.S from, though!
This also solved the previous problem: Taking out the Trash is the perfect hyper to DHC into Penance Stare from, giving me an Abegen-like setup. Sure, it's 4 bars of meter, but I'm not ending Ghost Rider or She-Hulk combos in hypers in favor of resets anyway, and it's not like my game is revolving around this trick.
So, it looks like my next Ghost Rider team setup to mess around with is:
Ghost Rider (Chains of Rebuttal)
She-Hulk (Torpedo)
Hawkeye (Greyhound)
Also, new fact to me: She-Hulk can cancel Torpedo into a THC.
Any thoughts on the setup are welcome.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I'm bored and want to play Dante.
Thinking Dante/Someone/Akuma
Is this good/ who would fit in the second spot?
Thinking Dante/Someone/Akuma
Is this good/ who would fit in the second spot?
bluddtheersty
Member
Spencer? ^
Karsticles
Member
How are you liking Dormammu/Morrigan?
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
The only thing I can say about Ghost Rider is that expect a lot of push blocks. It hurts GR a lot, especially if he doesn't have any assists left to help him get in or a mix up. That's why he should be first IMO. If he runs into trouble and you want him out, switch him in for character 2 so when he does come back he has at least one assist.
I would try to form an anitpush block strategy. I don't know where you could begin though.
I would try to form an anitpush block strategy. I don't know where you could begin though.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Oh god this character will be the end of my thumbs lol.
Karsticles
Member
I played 50 matches with him yesterday, so I have a good idea of what he has to deal with.
Is this your first time playing a character that has to do more than push H?
I kid.
The only part of Dante that really works your hands is bold-canceling Stinger into Air Trick and Reverb Shock. I think everything else he does is pretty normal in terms of how hard your hands are working all the time.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
Up for some games at all Karst?
If you aren't running Strider with your Dante, u r doin it rong.
Joking of course, Doom, Spencer, Felicia, Task, Hawkeye, & Sentinel are all good choices based on what kind of gameplan you want to execute. If you want finger cancer, you can add Viper (preferrably as Viper/Dante/Akuma).
Pretty much. After that, it's mostly about knowing rhythms/spacing for Shot Loops and fancy links like Sky Dance/Beehive in the corner. Also, get used to plink dashing, you will need to be able to move so you don't get clipped on your attack's startups.
Karsticles
Member
Sure, I'll play for a bit.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
But yeah that's the tricky part for me right now.
Stinger BC Teleport I can do fine but Stinger BC Volcano has my fingers confused for whatever reason.
I can do it, it's just not very consistent.
But w/e I've only been playing him like an hour so far.
Dante/Akuma/Strider sounds pretty good actually. The only problem is Akuma wastes a lot of the meter that Strider needs, but Akuma could make good use of Strider's assist.
Just the Nova DHC Glitch which I'd be very surprised if you didn't hear about as that's the biggest thing happening in the game overall in recent times.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Holy shit I actually finished a combo.
679k
How do I do more damage?
And how the hell do I do this in the corner?
679k
How do I do more damage?
And how the hell do I do this in the corner?
Can someone describe it in words? I am at work and can't see those videos.
Notations? Also, here's where you wanna browse for Dante combos.
Basically, DHCing from Nova's Human Rocket super when he makes contact with the floor causes the game to tag him out DHC style but the other member up next doesn't come out. Think of Zero's Happy Meal Glitch in Vanilla except it works on you instead of them.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Couldn't you do something like Vergil spin, raw tag to morrigan, pillars dhc stalking flare, liberation, whatever?
Also, I saw a cable guy on my floor today, it looked like he was installing new routers? Maybe our building finally got better internet!
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
This one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NNlRzSo4R4Q
Cept after Hammer I did the 2 Volcano into Beehive thing into super.
Only did like 10k less damage though.
Does Chris' Gunfire assist work? Seems like it should depending on when the assist call occurs.
I think in the matches that we played and you dominated / OCV I had trouble protecting my space because your basically instant overhead J.S but also the really long ass C.H. How about setting something up with Nova / Viper and making people guess between the J.S / C.H?
I think a possible problem here is, when GR is in trouble there's no safe DHC unless you have 3 meters but other than that, it seems like an alright team.
What the, mind blown.
Buff Dante.
I think you definitely want a horizontal assist here but, Marvelo uses Nova / Dante / Strider. Doom is great since he gets that unscaled rawtag throw damage from Nova + he has Plasma beam so that may be ideal.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
GGs Karst, your the most legit GR I've played. Then again I've played so few. My highlight was the last match. Poor Wright. He flat out Objected GR on his motorcycle to only be killed in the next second by She Hulk's car. For shame.
Karsticles
Member
GGs Slasher. What do you think of the team? Keep in mind that it's only my second day playing Ghost Rider, and first time playing She-Hulk and Hawkeye. I was literally figuring out their inputs as we fought (especially Hawkeye's, you probably noticed a ton of dropped combos and stupid stuff with him, lol). I was extremely flattered when you started to burn XF1 with Wesker to kill Ghost Rider.
I need to figure out how to DHC between everyone...did you feel like the She-Hulk assist was doing its job? I know I dropped the post-unblockable combo a LOT, but that's my problem, not She-Hulk's.
Also, I hope you get better internet!
I need to figure out an answer to your guardstun XFCs. I'm not sure what Ghost Rider can do, but there must be an answer. Maybe just b.H would work. If I've started the input for dp.H, I think I might be screwed.
I need to figure out how to DHC between everyone...did you feel like the She-Hulk assist was doing its job? I know I dropped the post-unblockable combo a LOT, but that's my problem, not She-Hulk's.
That would mean spending 4 bars of meter and having 1D2C ready just to steal a bar of meter. -_- (I still don't think it would work)
Also, I hope you get better internet!
Oh right, Gun Fire works too! I knew there was one more. I'm not sure I could handle Chris anchor, though. Hawkeye at least has some virtues alone.
That's why She-Hulk is there! Or do you mean something other than an unblockable? It's better to go for the low assist than a high, because c.H only hits once while j.S hits three times, so I don't have to time it super well. I tried Burning Kick for unblockables, and it has really crappy range for what I'm trying to do. Plus, a whiffed j.S is really safe, whereas a whiffed c.H is not.
That's true, but I can raw tag since She-Hulk has so much health, haha.
I know, right?! I just picked her for the first time today and figured some stuff out. Just sticking to ABCs in matches, though. I keep holding d.H when jumping to get a down-back option select, but it does her butt press, which sucks as a combo starter. -_-
Thanks! I had a ton of highlights. I was pissed so many times because of your XF3 comebacks. You're the only person to ever make me think "fuck Phoenix Wright". That last match I thought that I would wait until the last second and DHC from the motorcycle to She-Hulk's level 3, but then I realized I don't actually know when the motorcycle stops hitting, and while I was thinking about it I died. -_-
I need to figure out an answer to your guardstun XFCs. I'm not sure what Ghost Rider can do, but there must be an answer. Maybe just b.H would work. If I've started the input for dp.H, I think I might be screwed.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
I think your team does what it does very well. It seems to be keepaway team mostly. Your team is similar to mine in the way of it does what you want it to very well and can eat certain teams alive but at the same time has some weaknesses.
And to be honest I think She Hulk could be replaced. She does an okay job at setting up the unblockables for GR but I feel another character could do it better, but at the sametime I think you want a more long range unblockable as opposed to a short faster unblockable. Plus I don't see how see benefits Hawkeye too much. Then again I'm no She Hulk expert, just my casual musings.
I felt I had to burn X-Factor on GR because he does very well against 2/3 of my characters. Can't take that risk, since you were doing great at the lockdown game. The only problem I see with your opening start are teleporters backed with beams.
Also once I started to realize that I could X-Factor with Wesker inbetween GR's H,H > Eat Flames I started to wait for it go for that.
The best part of the team I thought was your timing of GR's J.S and Hawkeye assist. I kept trying to block the first set of attacks and then go all out right afterwards on the cooldown but GR could block right afterwards. Arrggg. It was really hard to get in. The only time I got in was through a teleport, a lucky jump in or X-Factor.
I COULDN'T EVEN GAMA CHARGE THROUGH! WTF IS THIS SHIT! NERF GR NOW CAPCOM!!!
Karsticles
Member
I've never felt so not-scared of Hulk before, it's an amazing feeling. Every j.S or dp.H was just a bit "fuck you" to him. I felt really saucy when I fought him. The times when I caught you with Penance Stare after a Gamma Charge put a big shit-eating grin on my face. Like "YEAH, WHERE'S YOUR GAMMA CRUSH FRAME TRAP NOW?!" I'm amazed I never screwed myself over with it.
She-Hulk does nothing at all for Hawkeye except for the fact that if someone is jumping in on Hawkeye, you can do Gimlet -> Taking out the Trash and anti-air someone for a full combo. That's like...all of their synergy. Hawkeye backs She-Hulk well, though.
I feel like if She-Hulk weren't there, my opponent's could just standing block all day and pushblock. That's what I do against Ghost Rider. I just pushblock him all day until he gets annoyed and does something dumb or predictable. I felt like She-Hulk was forcing you to chicken block Ghost Rider a lot because you couldn't risk staying on the ground, so in a sense the assist was doing its job right there. I also nailed you with the unblockable a few times, but I'm not good at timing it or following up.
Who would you replace She-Hulk with?
Edit: It occurs to me that I can just do s.HH, and then when you XFC, I can chain into S, which should hit you. Duh me.
Yah I definitely am not a fan of Chris anchor. I also don't like having him second either since his DHCs generally aren't safe.
Oh I just mean, if you wanted to use someone besides She-Hulk, because DHCing into She-Hulk means not using your wallbounce.
I wonder if there's a compilation of moves that are THC OK...
Snapback?
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
I dunno. Is it fast enough?
Karsticles
Member
I fought one Chris anchor that made me respect it, but he had clearly been playing the character for a very, very long time...
One neat thing about Chris is that his THC OTGs, so if I THC it means everyone gets to beat up on the opponent. Why does She-Hulk have the worst THC in the game? -_-
I don't care too much about landing She-Hulk's hyper. I like going for resets instead. I'm all about the c.L into Taking out the Trash!
Flame Carpet should be! :-D
I did discover that if I THC with Dormammu + Morrigan, I can link Dark Hole into another Chaotic Flame afterward.
Wow, brilliant. That should have been obvious to me, since Ghost Rider has the best snapback in the game.
Let me see...15 frames, whereas dp.H is 25 frames on startup. Tight fit. But now that I realized I can snapback...mmm! I'll bring Wright back in. :-D
Also, I love She-Hulk's command grabs. I love command grabs in general, except that Morrigan's is ass.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Do you play Dante?
What kind of damage do you usually get off his bnb?
Also looking for someone to put between Dante and Akuma. Kinda don't want Spencer since my Spencer still sucks.