For real, I thought I was the only one thinking that way. Something about the myriad of dropped inputs/options taken over others just added up and made me wonder if something was up.
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For real, I thought I was the only one thinking that way. Something about the myriad of dropped inputs/options taken over others just added up and made me wonder if something was up.
Karsticles
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This isn't Vegas. It's Canada.
Fixed.
Professor Beef
Banned
Can't be fixed, it's Canada. Kappa
Professor Beef
Banned
Obvious to the 5 people who play him?
SolarKnight
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Does anyone have Strider's hitboxes? I was trying out my Strider on ranked and when a Vergil did random super I did Ragnarok to see if it would catch it, then the Vergil DHC'd into Ryu behind me...and got grabbed anyways. I literally lol'd.
Ragnarok I believe is a purely catch state super so depending on what the Ryu did, I wouldn't be surprised if some wonkiness went down. Did he DHC into SuperTatsu?
SolarKnight
Member
Into Shinku actually.
ChrisG plays every character in the game... except for the one he got beat against. Probably will not happen again once he learns the character better.
shaowebb
Member
Ryu had NO chance of winning that.
Only chance he could have had was if he had used Shin Shoryuken if we were only talking invincibility frames since Ragnarok has 20 frames of invincibility and Ryu's super tatsus only have 17. Had he used Shinsho the move has 22 frames and might have won out except for one big thing...g rabs beat strikes in this instance so Ryu was likely perma-boned on this encounter for having pushed a button period. I do the same shit to folks using Iron Fist's power of Chi since I think it counts as a grab...it might just have won out when I used it though due to its like 30 frames or so of invincible startup. Its a great get out of jail DHC if you are prepared to blow your meter to save someone.
EDIT: What the hell am I thinking?! Power of Chi isn't a grab if it was there were a ton of times it could have connected when I was using him early on. I was spamming invincible DHC frames lol.
SolarKnight
Member
See, the thing is, this isn't about invincibility frames. When he DHC'd, Ryu was BEHIND me, there shouldn't have been a need for invincibility frames. I'm guessing Ragnarok's hitbox covers Strider's back too?
shaowebb
Member
I believe so. There was a link at one point to someone posting screens of character hitboxes and I thought I remembered that one being a ball of BS. Fun way to douche on a sneaky Raccoon sometime at least.
EDIT: Dammit I can't find the link to it on SRK. I know that it gets brought up a few times in the Shoryuken players guide for the character though for having a damn big hitbox though. I remember at least that much because I was browsing characters trying to find a way in for Iron Fist and at one point I was reading up and considering whether or not Strider was worth it for Vajra. Most guys who used him with Fist said the same thing though...he got predictable and would get ate really easy. I eventually just said to hell with it and went with two horizontal beams and switched fist to second.
I know I heard this Ragnarok thing mentioned over there in those boards though more than once in their player guide for Strider though. I just can't find the damn hitbox image links for the character anywhere and its driving me nuts because its a really hilarious image of BS worth sharing. :C
Karsticles
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New Hsien-ko tech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b3B7EH95UyU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b3B7EH95UyU
"God's Beard!"
Member
Mashing the fuck out of free hypers.
Right side is top tier.
Killa Sasa
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Re: UWT resets from last page
Everything Biz said is right. Never guaranteed but I'll abuse the hell out of em if you don't know how to get out.
After CC and then a couple locals over the next 2 weeks, I'm taking a break from this for Caca of Dooty, SSX, and LBP2. If/when I come back to this, making a Taskmaster, Hulk, or even Haggar point team because Wolverine is an asshole of epic proportions
Probably gonna bring the Space Cop back too. He's pretty silly.
Everything Biz said is right. Never guaranteed but I'll abuse the hell out of em if you don't know how to get out.
After CC and then a couple locals over the next 2 weeks, I'm taking a break from this for Caca of Dooty, SSX, and LBP2. If/when I come back to this, making a Taskmaster, Hulk, or even Haggar point team because Wolverine is an asshole of epic proportions
Probably gonna bring the Space Cop back too. He's pretty silly.
GB Speaks the truth. Karsticles Always has meter for spiral swords..
Karsticles
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I would love to see ChrisG pick up an Iron Man team.
Well, it depends on my point character. I made a pretty sizable list of point characters I mess with, but I think Vergil is technically the most well-suited for the role. I'll answer for Vergil, though.
Vergil isn't Doom, but he has some really solid anti-rushdown tools:
1) Helm Breaker. Against Wolverine at the start of the match, I just up-back and push down-back+H. It's not perfect, but it protects me from an air throw at the start of the round. If it's blocked, I call Dark Hole and Trick Down for a mix-up, and the game is now to my advantage.
2) Back up at the start of the round and just hit s.H or Stinger. If it hits, combo. If it whiffs, cancel into Devil Trigger. I'll get the bar back in a few seconds.
3) Judgment Cut is like a crappy Dark Hole, but it's worth using on Vergil because people are afraid of approaching him and his huge hitboxes. So when Vergil zones, people just kind of dance around, not wanting to approach.
None of these are ways to win in themselves, but they buy time for Dark Harmonizer calls, which lets me throw Rapid Slash into Spiral Swords around whenever I want. I get 2 Dark Harmonizer calls off per Spiral Swords, which means I only have to make one more call outside of Spiral Swords to get another one off. If I get 3 bars of meter with Vergil, I never need to do anything but Spiral Swords.
Hulk scares the hell out of me with Vergil. It's extremely hard to deal with Hulk+drones without any backup. So, I do one of two things:
1) s.H into Round Trip at the start of the round, cancel Round Trip into Devil Trigger ASAP and raw tag Dormammu in. Zone Hulk with Dormammu's usual game + buffed Rapid Slash calls.
2) Start Morrigan on point. Morrigan has a 1 frame command grab, she can keep Hulk out for a while (he'll have to get in via superjump), her most basic approaches all multi-hit to break armor, and her c.L both recovers fast enough to be immune to Hulk's frame traps, hits twice to break armor very quickly, and has such a tiny hitbox that drones pass over her.
I think, in an ideal world, I would start Morrigan against Wolverine and Hulk, though. One of the virtues of the team that I love is Dormammu, Morrigan, and Vergil all have bad matchups that don't overlap very much, and I can't think of any characters that counter all three, so I can start whoever is appropriate (ideally through Round Trip -> Devil Trigger).
I also blow X-Factor based on matchups. If my opponent is using something like Wolverine/Taskmaster/Doom, I'll burn X-Factor on a Helm Breaker kill because Taskmaster and Doom are both 100% free to Stalking Flare spam. Vergil's first and foremost goal is to eliminate characters that cause problems for Dormammu.
Well, to be fair, I played Ultimate since release until...what, a month or two ago?, without using Vergil.
I'm hoping I can spend some time in training mode with she-hulk and spencer this weekend. I need to work on longer combos and those full combos off bionic lancer.
I wasn't trying to call you out on it or complain about vergil. You make good use of constantly having meter no matter what character you're using. With dormammu you always have meter for stalking flares(Which also means alot of chip on an incoming character when combined with 2D1C), with morrigan you always have meter for astral vision. Its a really nice team setup, and you're right about not having to worry burning XF1 for a character kill since your other characters do a good job of dealing with problematic anchors without x-factor.
Karsticles
Member
Oh, I wasn't taking you as being combative. I just didn't want people to think the team is Vergil-dependent. I think there are other (maybe even better) choices than Vergil for the Dormammu/Morrigan shell.
You're right about how much meter I have. What's funny is that when I started the team, a lot of people told me it wouldn't work because all three characters are meter heavy, and I wouldn't be able to play them all as they need to be played - ha!
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
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Karst's Vergil is the weakest out of his Vergil, Dorm and Morrigan team. Now that's saying something.
Don't think that will happen since he called Iron Man a garbage character, but perhaps he might be rethinking after getting stomped by Repulsor.
Karsticles
Member
You're going to shame me into playing this team exclusively so you can't say this.
I'm still on the Ghost Rider hype train (as the only passenger) right now though. I absolutely love this character. It's too bad that, once again, he doesn't fit with Dormammu/Morrigan.Morrigan was garbage tier before ChrisG picked her, though! It's fun to go through the SRK thread and see how many people were dropping her because of the air dash nerf. People just didn't get it.
Face it Tiger..
Banned
When's Marvel.. on Canada Cup?!
"God's Beard!"
Member
half an hour or so?
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
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Nah man this is a compliment. Vergil is incredibly overpowered and one of the easiest and best characters there is. Your skill with Dorm and Morrigan overshadow the overpowered Vergil.
I feel my team of Wright/Hulk/Wesker my Wesker is easily my worst character and that is in itself laughable. Damn such a scrubby ass Wesker.
Karsticles
Member
It wouldn't hurt you to play Wesker on point more. I noticed that when you put him on point against Ghost Rider, he felt a bit lacking compared to Hulk and Wright.
"God's Beard!"
Member
So the only good assists for Strider the way I want to play are EMD, Spencer's Horizontal Shot and Ghost Rider's chain.
All three hit the opponent right as I teleport and let me combo after, and all three let me combo off a near-full screen super slide about as fast as I can input the buttons.
Ghost Rider doesn't have a TAC infinite so he's out, and Spencer's assist is by far the best and he has a better DHC than Magneto, but he doesn't have many TAC options so he's out too. Comedically, I can use the animals super as I hit EMD and it connects from full screen.
Guess Strider/Magneto/X-23 is gonna work out after all ^_^
All three hit the opponent right as I teleport and let me combo after, and all three let me combo off a near-full screen super slide about as fast as I can input the buttons.
Ghost Rider doesn't have a TAC infinite so he's out, and Spencer's assist is by far the best and he has a better DHC than Magneto, but he doesn't have many TAC options so he's out too. Comedically, I can use the animals super as I hit EMD and it connects from full screen.
Guess Strider/Magneto/X-23 is gonna work out after all ^_^
Karsticles
Member
I look forward to you wondering why you can't do Magneto infinites online.
"God's Beard!"
Member
I've pretty much stopped caring about lag. I just like playing online because it lets me get some experience with even just moving around against different characters that I wouldn't have otherwise got. If there's a spike or I drop a combo or I get stuck mashing H when I'm not hitting any buttons that's fine. I just want to play people.
Karsticles
Member
I'll hold you to that!
Any news on your building getting new internet or you moving in with your girlfriend? If you want me to talk with her about how important this is, I'm glad to.
"God's Beard!"
Member
lol, I don't think I'll get new internet any time soon. Maaaybe I'll be able to play Thanksgiving weekend at night or something, though. I'll be heading home for a couple days then.
Also, I found a new combo that works midscreen for some reason I don't understand:
(whatever opener)S, jH adf jH xx Magnetic Blast L, jH xx Magnetic Blast M, 2HS, jH adf jH xx flight, jLH [adf jH]x4 adf jMMHS, A2(Ankle Slicer), Hyper Grav L xx Magnetic Tempest
Doesn't do great damage(~600k meterless), but it seems to work off any confirm, it's really easy and I don't have a great combo assist like Missiles any more so it'll probably be my new BnB after Strider dies.
Also, I found a new combo that works midscreen for some reason I don't understand:
(whatever opener)S, jH adf jH xx Magnetic Blast L, jH xx Magnetic Blast M, 2HS, jH adf jH xx flight, jLH [adf jH]x4 adf jMMHS, A2(Ankle Slicer), Hyper Grav L xx Magnetic Tempest
Doesn't do great damage(~600k meterless), but it seems to work off any confirm, it's really easy and I don't have a great combo assist like Missiles any more so it'll probably be my new BnB after Strider dies.
You don't know how legitimately upset I got playing against that knowing that I knew enough about him to not get hit with his stuff only to get opened up. I don't use his c.L enough.
Karsticles
Member
I think that part of the reason Strider is fun on point is that he needs to reset his opponent to kill, and the fact is that it's fun to reset people. ToD combos aren't just boring for your opponent to sit through and watch, they're less enjoyable for the player, too.
It's fast and good! Use that shit more!
Striders dash is really good too.
I literally came up with that team the second I got on, weasel shot is really good, hits pretty far away too, I wanna change doom but don't know who I'd replace him with. Gonna play that team some more. Once we're both on again, let's run more matches!
I need to use Striders animals a lot more too, I forgot he has them lol.
Strider's reset and okizeme game are the biggest reasons why I really love playing him. Sigmaah can tell you about how he has to deal with Tigers everywhere on wakeup. I need to get out of the habit of putting them out there and teleporting though, I should run with them sometimes.
"God's Beard!"
Member
I only know 3 resets with Strider though :-(
Karsticles
Member
Run with them sometimes, or throw several tigers in a row before teleporting.
Is tiger -> Vajra H safe at full screen?
That team is really good for Strider though. Dante/Doom/Strider was one order I used to run it in when I was soul searching for a third to go with my Dante/Strider duo.
Re: Animals
I liked that one match where I was swatting your Strider out of wall cling mixups with Birds/Bird Bombs. :lol
That being said, I'd like your thoughts on my movement sometimes. I feel like I'm too stiff with Strider and Viper but Dante just gets around like a madman.
- Knockdown in the corner, Formation B - watch the tech - jump grab
- Any Gram L - Tiger Tiger Tiger and move with them, either via teleport or dashing
- Any extended combo with a Vajra H followup - use the Formation B pickup and if HSD is high enough, go for the grab. You can also do Tiger or if you're good with getting them both out, do Bird w/Bomb and Tiger to have both forward and back techs covered
- After a ground bounce kick off the wall, s.L then dash under for a grab or setup with assists.
- You can substitute Tigers with Formation Bs here and there. Experiment and see what works
You're going to be grabbing people a lot with Strider I feel. At least that's my fastest way of getting an opening and with his absurd grab range, why not?
Running with them is something I really should do more, but you have no idea how terrified I am of things in this game. Better to put yourself at minimal risk and let others navigate a series of projectiles than to run into the one confirm that loses you your character on a chance event like that.
Tiger - Vajra H sounds like dirtiness, but the timing has to be tight. Any jump block would ruin the setup if it wasn't tight.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Your Strider is really nice, you know how to open ppl up with his ass lol. Viper is just a hard to play char in general IMO so when u mess up, I'm just like. Hey it's viper plus lag too. you got good tools with her too. like the focus attack BS. Your Dante is good too but whenever vajra hits me, u do volcano, that guitar ball thing and then try to do that dive move and most of the time it drops, I say stop doing that and just do like volcano, H then the dive move cause that'll hit most of the time.
Face it Tiger..
Banned
We can practice the Dorm/Doom/Phoenix match up if you want.. Sasa.
but my Doom is Sigma free.
but my Doom is Sigma free.
On PSN of course.
"God's Beard!"
Member
What tips do you have for the neutral game with Strider Azure?