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Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 |OT3| To infinites... and beyond!
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Karsticles
Member
Goddamn, I think Hsien-ko may be Panda's kryptonite.
Edit: ROFL, this non-Panda guy just got OCVed by Hsien-ko.
Edit: ROFL, this non-Panda guy just got OCVed by Hsien-ko.
You'll probably want to run Low Voltage for that team to give She-Hulk some long range support.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
This is all your fault
Obama
Obama
You're all still playing? I'm missing out on fun. 
I suck so hard with assists. It was was easier when I could button mash gustaff fire. Now I'm always scared of happy b-day's.
Anyway, I have to ask what the best option against T. Hawk is with a She-Hulk/Trish/Ammy team. Think I'm getting used to all the different Nova tactics now. He shouldn't be as much of a problem in the future. But T. Hawk............I don't know about that.
I suck so hard with assists. It was was easier when I could button mash gustaff fire. Now I'm always scared of happy b-day's.
Anyway, I have to ask what the best option against T. Hawk is with a She-Hulk/Trish/Ammy team. Think I'm getting used to all the different Nova tactics now. He shouldn't be as much of a problem in the future. But T. Hawk............I don't know about that.
Obamas Marvel
Karsticles
Member
I'm just watching. I promised my wife no more Marvel tonight because my button slamming wakes her up, and she has work at 7.You're all still playing? I'm missing out on fun.
That's why I hated Gustaff Fire...
Anyway, there are 3 good ways to handle assists:
1) Have your opponent in blockstun first.
2) Call the assist in such a way that punishing the assist would leave your opponent too vulnerable to make the punishment feasible.
3) Call the assist in such a way that your opponent can't attack it at all within reason (teleports, being at superjump height while calling an assist).
Say wha?
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Yeah, I need to figure out how exactly I can do numbers 1 and 2 or 3 if I end up having a teleport character.
And I need sleep. I meant hawkeye. haha
Karsticles
Member
I got nothin' on Hawkeye. Maybe Panda has advice for you. He counters all my characters, so I just try to luck out.
And man, the crew that's still here after you guys left is terribad. I just saw this combo:
SWISS CHEESE -> Berserker Barrage X -> X-Factor -> SWISS CHEESE!
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Pretty sure I was the one who lucked out against you're Dark Phoenix before.
Probably need a teleport character I guess for when he wants to camp and throw arrows.
Also, lmao.
Sorry but the way you listed the combo is hilarious.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Hawkeye loses to:
Vergil
Deadpool
not hsien ko shut up
Phoenix
Dr. Strange
I'm probably the only Hawkeye you'll run into that you'd need to use one of these characters against. Most I run into I can just use whoever cause they suck.
Vergil
Deadpool
not hsien ko shut up
Phoenix
Dr. Strange
I'm probably the only Hawkeye you'll run into that you'd need to use one of these characters against. Most I run into I can just use whoever cause they suck.
Deadpool and Dr. Strange are the two on the list I'm interested in. Maybe Vergil but not really. And deadpool projectiles override hawkeye arrows?
Professor Beef
Banned
Ammy too.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I'd say sorta even with a slight edge to Hawkeye when they have to face each other in a projectile war but it's his teleports which are fast as fuuuuuuck that help him take on Hawkeye.
That's even better. Really trying to make ammy a viable character for myself.
Excellent. I have some experience with deadpool from vanilla and his combos are super easy too.
Karsticles
Member
I thought that maybe I could get you before you had time to get another Gimlet out. :-(
Teleports are one way, but Hawkeye is really just the kind of character you need to be patient against. Any keepaway character's player gets nervous when an opponent just crouches and blocks for a good 5 seconds.
Hsien-ko + Hidden Missiles > Hawkeye? ;-)
Also, I met a guy on GFAQs with a really rockin' Hawkeye. His name is Platypus7, and he rocks Hawkeye/Iron Man and rushes a lot with him. I found him hard as heck to block.
Deadpool has the instant teleport he can get in with. Plus he has the angle down guns that can harass even Hawkeye without Gimlet.
Vergil is really the only true counterpick to Hawkeye. Normally MorriDoom against a stacked Hawkeye team but if the MorriDoom team has Vergil it can best the Hawkeye team. That's my guess as to why ChrisG is using his current team... Vergil covers up many of the characters that can deal with MorriDoom.
Vergil is really the only true counterpick to Hawkeye. Normally MorriDoom against a stacked Hawkeye team but if the MorriDoom team has Vergil it can best the Hawkeye team. That's my guess as to why ChrisG is using his current team... Vergil covers up many of the characters that can deal with MorriDoom.
Karsticles
Member
Reading through the Dr. Strange forums on SRK, and I find out that Flames of the Faltine beats all beams! Wow! Just tested it, too, and it rips through Sentinel's s.H, Dr. Doom's Plasma Beam, and Iron Man's Unibeam. Looks like this little 3 hit point projectile has secrets!
And I just tested Dr. Strange's c.M since people talk about it so much - wow, I thought Dormammu's c.M was good...
Video proof of the former for all curious:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FsR6UneK4IE
And I just tested Dr. Strange's c.M since people talk about it so much - wow, I thought Dormammu's c.M was good...
Video proof of the former for all curious:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FsR6UneK4IE
That looks hilarious. One tiny little projectile just trucking through two beams like it's nothing.
No secrets, only LIES about durability. WTF.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
Holy shit!
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I think we can all agree I have fantastic movement that Yipes himself would be proud of.
Richard "Twinkletoes" Rider.
Richard "Twinkletoes" Rider.
Nah, it's definitely got 3 low durability points. Dante's Air Play beats it, and it has 4 low durability points. There's definitely something weird about it when it comes to certain beams.
That's really weird, wonder why it only beats those beams specifically.
Joker runs Magneto Ironman Sentinel, So I'd run the same order with Dante anchor.
Karsticles
Member
I know, and look at how old the video is! Damn Dr. Strange players holding out on us.
A lot of people just don't understand how durability works. When they see Unibeam has "11 frames x 1 low priority durability points", they think "oh okay, 11 durability". And if you do something like Unibeam vs. two Hadokens, you'll see that Unibeam wins. But that's not all that's going on. The Unibeam's hit points drain differently from the Hadokens. Basically, the Unibeam rotates its hitpoints, and the more it loses, the weaker the beam becomes (thus if you Unibeam vs. Hadoken, Unibeam wins, but it hits fewer times).
If you pay close attention, though, you'll notice that the Hadoken doesn't get blipped out immediately. It has to be "worn down" as it chugs through Unibeam's rotating frames. For this reason, even though 10 frames x 1 hit point is mathematically the same as 5 frames x 2 hit points, the latter is superior because it will grind down opposing projectiles faster.
This is why Flames of the Faltine won't beat EMD, Psionic Blaster, or Mighty Spark. EMD L, for example, has 1 frame x 5 low priority durability points, so EMD L is basically the same as Hadoken in durability, and there's no "grinding".
This is also why Eye of Agamotto is a piece of shit. It has 10 frames x 1 low priority durability points, so it has to slowly "grind" down projectiles. It generally rocks beams because they grind each other down, but the following all pass through Eye of Agamotto:
Samurai Edge
Magnum
Hadoken
Yes, Hadoken > Eye of Agamotto. Basically, Eye of Agamotto is only able to grind through 4/5 of Hadoken's hit points before Hadoken leaves Eye of Agamotto's hitbox region. You can test this hypothesis by running Eye of Agamotto vs. Akuma's Gohadoken. Gohadoken L gets eaten by Eye of Agamotto, while Gohadoken H passes through Eye of Agamotto. This can only be accounted for by considering the speed the projectile is traveling at, which allows for Eye of Agamotto to spend more time to grind the projectile down.
None of this explains why Flames of the Faltine beats Unibeam, Plasma Beam, or Sentinel's s.H - it's just a weird property (glitch?) it has. However, I tested all the beams in this game, and Flames of the Faltine only beats projectiles that have "# frames x 1 hit point". So, it seems like Flames of the Faltine has a weird property that says something like "Unless the opposing projectile can beat Flames of the Faltine in a single hit, Flames of the Faltine will not lose durability", which allows it to beat Unibeam, Plasma Beam, and Sentinel's s.H.
The Dr. Strange vs. Doom matchup is already so awful for Doom. -_-
It must have a special property, because the durability is what it says. It cancels out Wesker's gunshot, which is 3 projectile hit points, so it must have the same value.
A lot of people just don't understand how durability works. When they see Unibeam has "11 frames x 1 low priority durability points", they think "oh okay, 11 durability". And if you do something like Unibeam vs. two Hadokens, you'll see that Unibeam wins. But that's not all that's going on. The Unibeam's hit points drain differently from the Hadokens. Basically, the Unibeam rotates its hitpoints, and the more it loses, the weaker the beam becomes (thus if you Unibeam vs. Hadoken, Unibeam wins, but it hits fewer times).
If you pay close attention, though, you'll notice that the Hadoken doesn't get blipped out immediately. It has to be "worn down" as it chugs through Unibeam's rotating frames. For this reason, even though 10 frames x 1 hit point is mathematically the same as 5 frames x 2 hit points, the latter is superior because it will grind down opposing projectiles faster.
This is why Flames of the Faltine won't beat EMD, Psionic Blaster, or Mighty Spark. EMD L, for example, has 1 frame x 5 low priority durability points, so EMD L is basically the same as Hadoken in durability, and there's no "grinding".
This is also why Eye of Agamotto is a piece of shit. It has 10 frames x 1 low priority durability points, so it has to slowly "grind" down projectiles. It generally rocks beams because they grind each other down, but the following all pass through Eye of Agamotto:
Samurai Edge
Magnum
Hadoken
Yes, Hadoken > Eye of Agamotto. Basically, Eye of Agamotto is only able to grind through 4/5 of Hadoken's hit points before Hadoken leaves Eye of Agamotto's hitbox region. You can test this hypothesis by running Eye of Agamotto vs. Akuma's Gohadoken. Gohadoken L gets eaten by Eye of Agamotto, while Gohadoken H passes through Eye of Agamotto. This can only be accounted for by considering the speed the projectile is traveling at, which allows for Eye of Agamotto to spend more time to grind the projectile down.
None of this explains why Flames of the Faltine beats Unibeam, Plasma Beam, or Sentinel's s.H - it's just a weird property (glitch?) it has. However, I tested all the beams in this game, and Flames of the Faltine only beats projectiles that have "# frames x 1 hit point". So, it seems like Flames of the Faltine has a weird property that says something like "Unless the opposing projectile can beat Flames of the Faltine in a single hit, Flames of the Faltine will not lose durability", which allows it to beat Unibeam, Plasma Beam, and Sentinel's s.H.
What makes IM's beam assist good? doesn't it scale damage very heavily if you combo from it?
Karsticles
Member
It...
1) Is a beam!
2) Leaves your opponent standing (very important for some characters).
3) Does not cause much pushback (good for some characters, bad for others).
4) Causes a lot of blockstun (you can usually get 1 mix-up in).
Extremely good assist.
I wouldn't rock IM beam assist for that team, especially if I was playing Dante / Ironman / Magneto with Dante on point since EMD is better as a mixup / damage tool. I'd choose Repulsor.
Along with what Karst said, there's a long start up before Unibeam comes out, it's both good and bad in some ways. If you've ever run Captain America and Ironman you'll know what I'm talking about. It provides incredibly good horizontal coverage after your attack, So if you "randomly" Charging Star and your opponent blocks, Unibeam will protect you completely most of the time outside of X-factor punishes.
SolarKnight
Member
Anyone wants some matches/a lobby on 360 for a while or should I go back to play Guilty Gear? >.>
crimsonspider89
Banned
All "mid tier" players hide there shit. Spidey forums have some crazy things in there using his spidey sting to set up pseudo tridashes.
Killa Sasa
Member
loool Parker Rides Strangely is a hilarious team. Balthakk is pretty silly.
Everyone's first mistake against me so far: thinking that I am thinking. I don't know how to think with that team yet.
Shame it took me a year to give Dr Strange a second shake. He's pretty fun, not knowing what to do yet notwithstanding. Guess I didn't have the understanding before but still.
Nova is lol. Once I get the infinite down I guess I can do that TAC glitch with Spider-Man into "hah ur ded". Also trying to perfect Takedown to get close, DHC into UWT for Morrigan's chucking shit. Funny stuff.
By the by, is the TAC glitch unbreakable (the one with characters that reset their air state (Morrigan, Zero, Spidey, Chun))? Or is it just another guess you have to deal with?
Everyone's first mistake against me so far: thinking that I am thinking. I don't know how to think with that team yet.
Shame it took me a year to give Dr Strange a second shake. He's pretty fun, not knowing what to do yet notwithstanding. Guess I didn't have the understanding before but still.
Nova is lol. Once I get the infinite down I guess I can do that TAC glitch with Spider-Man into "hah ur ded". Also trying to perfect Takedown to get close, DHC into UWT for Morrigan's chucking shit. Funny stuff.
By the by, is the TAC glitch unbreakable (the one with characters that reset their air state (Morrigan, Zero, Spidey, Chun))? Or is it just another guess you have to deal with?
"God's Beard!"
Member
Just a second layer. But it's really useful that only have one or two infinite directions because that way it'll work off of any direction. And you only have to learn one infinite lol
crimsonspider89
Banned
Learn the FoF loop, and I believe Spidey can do the unique DHC into Rings using UWT and kill. Unsure though. Pretty positive he can.
And then laugh at the meter. LAUGH!
And then laugh at the meter. LAUGH!
SolarKnight
Member
This will probably be useless as usual, but is anyone up for some night 360 matches?
Killa Sasa
Member
I can mostly do the FoF loop. Just need a reliable way to set it up really. Going to figure it out, because I'm sure it's there. I really don't know what this character does outside of let people get the first hit for him and spam balthakk, haha.
Also, lol at people who still think Vergil Missiles isn't some stupid shit. Blocking + space control forever.
WesternHeretic
Member
What about Nova? Both Dragon God and Infrit started out with Nova + missiles, and then switched to beam.
I tried playing Nova/Spenc/Doom for fun and I can see why Infrit switched to beam. Personally if I were to main that team I would go for missiles just because I love them 80k, but beam totally does help Nova out a lot more.
I am actually surprised no one has started using Joe + Doom yet. Seems like the most annoying shit ever. Put in Vergil or Morrigan in there... GODLIKE!
Personally I think missiles are still not the best for rushdown minded characters like Wolverine/Wesker but its still annoying as shit when some teleporter or fast character has it.
DragonGod was using Nova plus Missiles and Task arrows. As long as you have horizontal coverage for Nova, Missiles just stamps its authority.
Personally I think missiles are still not the best for rushdown minded characters like Wolverine/Wesker but its still annoying as shit when some teleporter or fast character has it.
Agreed. So many combo videos have it and people must think it's really cool the way they're extending combos with that stupid assist. It's not. Be original and innovative instead of using a derpy, overpowered and overused assist that can be button-mashed to oblivion.
Edit: Granted I used Gustaff fire but that's besides the point.
Professor Beef
Banned
Better players than me can probably chime in, but Joe/Doom is pretty nice since at the very least you get time to charge up Voomerangs for chip nonsense. My Doom is worse than my Raccoon though, so I never use him.