Frank Serpico
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Can't wait to re-buy all those digital movies I own, but now the 4k version.
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Except I'm pretty sure they are flat out wrong.
Here's the spec sheet for the SJ9500 SUHD Samsung TV, from CES 2015.
http://www.samsung.com/us/system/co...n65js9500fxza/TV_JS9500_SpecSheet_3-12-15.pdf
3D listed. They claimed none of Samsung's new SUHD TV's have it.
It's also on the 9000 series:
http://www.samsung.com/us/system/co...n65js9000fxza/TV_JS9000_SpecSheet_3-13-15.pdf
It's not in the 9100 series spec sheet.. but that might be a mistake considering the lower and higher end models have it.
Most companies stopped advertising 3D as a major feature; doesn't mean all their TV's don't have the tech.
It's potentially "Dying" would be a good way to put it.. but it's still available on some new TV's.. movies are still being released in 3D.. and Blu-Ray's are still scheduled to come out in 3D.
Gemüsepizza;163953109 said:
Reading comprehension, the 4k TV do not have 3D.
Of course the current TVs have 3d, it doesnt cost them anything to throw it in as an afterthought. That's how technology and marketing work. TV1 has 3d as a by-line feature, TV2 doesn't so a consumer may pick tv1 because it has it, and then they never use it.
I have a projector that does 3d, yet i've never once turned the feature on, nor do I even own the glasses to use it.
read above.
But that's a major problem to the future of 3d if 4 separate news outlets were at CES and none think any new TVs with 3d were announced.
Gemüsepizza
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I was talking about their newly announced Ultra HD TVs. Almost all of them have 3D support.
Read above? You mean where you are wrong?
I linked you 2 new Sasmung 4K TV's with 3D.
Here's a 3RD:
http://www.samsung.com/us/system/co...n65js850dfxza/TV_JS850D_SpecSheet_3-03-15.pdf
These all have a big "NEW" tag on them on Samsung's site.. and have 3D in their spec sheets.
That's a problem with journalism.
Read 4K TV reviews.. most of them GUSH about the 3D performance on 4K TV's because many offer passsive 3D at 1080p, whereas older TV's couldn't push passive 3d at 1080.
That's great, that they gush about it. The problem still remains consumers are not buying TVs for the feature nor are they using it. No one but the neediest of nerds is going to sit down and watch TV with fucking glasses on just to watch TV.
You are condescending and rude. "Reading comprehension" (when you were wrong)... "neediest of nerds."
It's not dead.. it MAY be dying.. but brand new TV's and brand new Blu-Ray's and brand new theater releases feature 3D. If that's what makes a tech "dead" then LOL.
I'm waiting for an 80"+ OLED before I buy another display. Who knows when that will be :/
At your viewing distance an increase in size would pay larger dividends than a new 50" 1080p TV. At 12" you really want 70" or larger.
Lucky Forward
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By the way, my 50" Kuro is only 768p, so even going to 1080p would be an improvement in resolution for me.
I said the articles from CES 2015 say that newly announced 4k TVs do not have 3d.
Current 1080p TVs have it, because its just a feature. But you have executives saying they aren't pushing it anymore. You have Vizio completely dropping it, last year from all their TVs. ESPN stopped producing the content. From what I can tell both Dish and DirecTV offerings for 3d are paltry at best.
I found four different articles, if all of them are wrong, so be it. Doesn't change the fact that its for all intents and purposes, in technological terms, dead. Yes you can still find content for it, and yes new products have it, that doesn't mean its a success. Much like Blackberry's been dead for years, yet they still exist.
If you think I'm condescending and rude, my apologies. Just tired of Gemüsepizza nonsense of claiming sarcasm for his responses. And claiming people are afraid of technological advances because some of us don't like something that he does. I like technology a lot, but in my personal opinion, 3d sucks, specifically because I have to wear glasses over my glasses, was a wasted effort and a gimmick. I'm not the only one with these views either.
I loved my Kuro. I was sad when Pioneer stepped out of the plasma TV business and killed the best plasmas around.Lucky Forward said:
You definitely aren't; there is an angsty backlash to 3D technology and those who dislike it are loud about it. When Visio dropped 3D people were outright cheering about it all over the internet. (which to me is far more needy and nerdy.. as if it was really affecting people.. especially with 4k sets that have plenty enough processing power to support 3D without any added cost.)
Which is likely why it was dropped from most advertising and shoved into spec sheets and was missing from CES demonstrations.
However the film industry is certainly still supporting it:
http://pro.boxoffice.com/statistics/3d-release-calendar
And manufacturers like Sony are connected to this industry; 3D Blu-rays also have a much higher profit margin in general, and most of the TV/player manufactures are connected to the standards as well.
There's a good chance 3D will continue to be available to the niche who support it; while not being heavily advertised (or maybe not advertised at all when it comes to companies like Samsung, who don't even list it as a feature on their web sites unless you bother to check spec sheets.) It also MIGHT completely go away.. but it's still available, and products that will support it are still being announced. For all we know 3D BRD sales will spike and suddenly it will be back as a feature to advertise with.
I take issue with calling it "dead"; it's hyperbolic. Why do we need to resort to hyperbole in a conversation like this? Leave it to click bait articles. Blackberry isn't "dead" either; saying as such is flat out wrong.
This makes no sense; it's a technology that continues to be available.. it even advanced in the last year with the introduction of 1080p passive 3D. How is that dead in technological terms?
"I don't like it therefore shut up!"
Fenderputty
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Crap. I still haven't finished replacing my dvds with blu rays. Now I have to start replacing my blu rays?
From what I understand the current upscalers in some of the 4K stuff actually does a good job upgrading true 1080 content from BD's.
For me personally: I dislike my current active 3D TV. (Panasonic Plasma, I always forget the model number.. highest end model of 2011 I think it was)
I am curious about 1080p passive 3D offered in the Sony 4k TV's. I just wish Sony didn't have those giant speakers on the side of their latest sets.. I think it looks cool, but I'd rarely if ever use them.. and they'd look funky next to my tower surround fronts.
I am curious about 1080p passive 3D offered in the Sony 4k TV's. I just wish Sony didn't have those giant speakers on the side of their latest sets.. I think it looks cool, but I'd rarely if ever use them.. and they'd look funky next to my tower surround fronts.
Fenderputty
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I mean I have thick skin so I don't mind being called the "nerdiest of nerds" but lol ... people take their tech seriously on here.
The Artisan
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Yea that's exactly what I said.
You don't need to take my word for it. One needs to only look at the lack of 3d channels being provided. In 2012, the 3d viewership was so low that Nielson couldn't even measure it. (next you'll tell me Nielson is a crock of shot) The removal of it as a feature set from TVs. The lack of 4k TVs that were announced this year as having it, etc. Its pretty much dead in its current form.
Gemüsepizza
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You are really delusional. You are still repeating this nonsense about new 4K TVs not having it. Sony announced 4 new UHD TV series. Only one of them, the cheapest entry level series, has no 3D support. Samsung announced 3 new UHD TV series. All of them have 3D support. LG announced 6 new UHD TV series. Only one of them has no 3D support. So out of 13 newly announced series, only 2 don't have 3D. And that's only because they are cheap entry level devices. Not because they are abandoning 3D. So what the hell are you talking about?
Also, nobody gives a damn about "3D channels". I mean what kind of argument is this? Many TV channels don't even support 1080p. I don't buy a 3D TV to watch 3D channels, I buy one to watch 3D Blu-rays.
According to imdb it was shot on 35/70mm film:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816692/technical?ref_=tt_dt_spec
They should be able to easily convert it to digital 4K with very high quality.
jeff_rigby
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I'd add to your points that S3D OTA is only now possible with ATSC 2.0 which reached candidate status last year. ATSC 2.0 with all it supports has been delayed 2 years as has FCC Cable TV mandates for DLNA CVP2 which was supposed to be implemented Dec 2012 but TiVo and other industry actors delayed it to June 2014 and then June 2015.Gemüsepizza;164042398 said:
Cable TV generally follows FCC proposals for Over The Air TV. 1080P is as rare on Cable and OTA as is S3D, are we to assume 1080P is dead? 1080P can come to OTA with ATSC 2.0 and then it will be supported on Cable. At the same time S3D can come to OTA and Cable.
DLNA CVP2 = Vidipath, does mention S3D as a supported standard. 4K blu-ray does not support S3D at this time but neither did blu-ray when it was first implemented.
Of more interst and on topic is the Digital Bridge coming with 4K blu-ray supported by Sony Pictures. If I understand it properly, UHD blu-ray players will support saving the movie to a local hard disk attached to a player (read PS4 or XB1) or a network drive or on Flash in a tablet. It also supports streaming over the home network to a player or smart TV (my take). We no longer need to load a physical disk to watch a movie (except for the first time).
In 2012 a game console EU power board letter mentioned this ability...it's a logical extension of Vidipath and the coming ecosystem where media and game sharing over the home network becomes a standard.
you should try it - on my first 3DTV (an active one from Sony), 3D was ok. On my current TV (a passive one from Sony), the 3D is really good. On my projector (Benq Q1070), the 3D is bloody amazing. There is no discernable crosstalk (thats what really kills 3D for me), plus the size helps a *lot*
jeff_rigby
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I likely have the same Passive S3D you have with your Sony on my Sony. Netflix has about 60 S3D titles and with a 1080P source I only have problems with depth of field causing a little eye strain. Lots of amazing Korean and Chinese S3D movies on Netflix with subtitles.
HeavyMetalLover91
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For the past 4 years I've been slowly upgrading my DVD's to Blu Rays, mainly focusing on animated Disney films (boy was that an expensive venture), is it worth packing it in now and waiting it out? I don't think I'll upgrade the current Blu's I have but what would be a better option? Upgrading DVD's to Blu's on the cheap, or wait for a 4k release with superior quality?
TLDR: Will Blu Ray's still look good on 4k
TLDR: Will Blu Ray's still look good on 4k
1080p upscales perfectly to 2160p (4K) so you won't get any scaling artefacts. On an OLED 4K, your 1080p Blu-rays will get a new lease of life.
Mr. Wonderful
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If the TV supports perfect 1:4 pixel mapping.
HeavyMetalLover91
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Welp, guess I'll be buying a new TV then. Is the 1:4 pixel mapping something that will be standard in televisions by the time Ultra HD Blu Ray's release?
I wear glasses, and I'm not going to wear glasses over my glasses just to watch TV.
You can buy attachment lenses that just clip onto your regular glasses.
And how would that work with 3d glasses that require batteries and a IR or RF connection to the TV/projector?
Only tried Active a few times and thought it was horrible, so I only use Passive ¯\_(ツ
_/¯ Can't wait to get a 4K TV for full 1080p passive 3D
Can't wait to get a 4K TV for full 1080p passive 3D
The problem with that is most 4K sets are active 3D. LG and a few Sony models are passive. I'm buying a new set at some point this year and it has to have HDR and 3D support since Sony killed off their head mounted displays. The only model with passive 3D in that range is the 4K OLED. It's my first choice but I can't spend $9,000. The flat model coming out later this year would be preferable but even that is supposed to cost $8,000. I'm willing to spend more to get one but not that much.
I'm waiting a few years and getting an LG 4K OLED 3D when they're under £1000. That'll give the standards time to mature too.
I've put off my purchase for two years already so I'm at the point where I need a new set. 4K with HDR will be my jumping in point. If I didn't need one I'd probably continue to wait as well.
iNvid02
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Hope it goes well for you man.
JoeyJungle
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So does this mean that we'll start getting 4K Blu-Rays, or that there's now specifications you have to meet to be able to slap "Ultra HD Blu-Ray" on your box?
Criterion has a bunch of blurays that have a "4K digital restoration", are they 4K blurays? Or is it a 4K image downsampled to 1080p or something?
Criterion has a bunch of blurays that have a "4K digital restoration", are they 4K blurays? Or is it a 4K image downsampled to 1080p or something?
Melon Husk
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Upgrade to 4K just for the resolution wouldn't be worth it. HDR, DCI P3, passive FHD 3D, and why not OLED too, those are the features you should keep an eye on and are reasons worth upgrading for.
Essentially downsampled. Current blu-ray disks support 1080p.
Essentially downsampled. Current blu-ray disks support 1080p.
Yes, mastered at 4K but the file on the disc is 1080p.
Current Blu-ray discs are not capable of storing 4K video. This is a new specification, but will be seen as an extension of the current Blu-ray format.
The latter. They are nicely mastered though.
Hazelhurst
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Dang, I was hoping it would be called 4k Blu-ray. It's cool that this is finally happening though. So many 4k tvs out there with so little content available.
Can't wait to get a 4K TV for full 1080p passive 3D
Can confirm it looks amazing.
I'd choose watching a 3D version over a 4K version of a movie on my set
So is it OK to buy one of those new Sonys now or should I basically wait?
e.g. http://store.sony.com/75-class-74.5...-27-catid-XBR-4K-Ultra-HD-TVs?_t=pfm=category
e.g. http://store.sony.com/75-class-74.5...-27-catid-XBR-4K-Ultra-HD-TVs?_t=pfm=category
Looks like managed copy, which is pretty funny. It's mandatory for all blu-ray discs made after 2010 because certain hardware makers mandated it as part of the negotiations to move away from HD-DVD... and there is no hardware that supports it at all.
jeff_rigby
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DTLA made provisions for DTCP-IP streaming "Output from AACS-enabled HD DVD & Blu-ray players" in this paper but it's not been implemented yet as you mention above. I suspect because there has been no DRM secure certified ecosystem created. That's coming with Vidipath certified platforms. Playready DRM supports the use cases in the Digital bridge slides. In this proposal for Digital bridge, again a Sony proposal it mentions C-ENC (Common encryption) which supports multiple DRM schemes but requires the same format used by Playready as does HTML5 <video> ME.
If you notice the slide you are posting is from Sony Pictures. and in the following the 4K Media Server is mentioned as part of the Sony 4K ecosystem. Media Server not player!
The PS4 and XB1 will be Vidipath 4K blu-ray servers and support the Digital bridge use cases. I posted this earlier in this thread. When will a firmware update support this; probably October or later this year.
One of the use cases supports the blu-ray disk menu allowing the entire disk functionality not just the movie. That requires Java in the player and Java as well as Javascript are required for XTV and IoT apps and will be in Vidipath clients.
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