You're forgetting gouken and poison
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Ultra Street Fighter IV |OT| What is old is new once again
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You're forgetting gouken and poison
direct_quote
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And Seth, Juri..
Gouken is up there somewhere too. A bit slower than Guile. You should also take into account the startup of the moves. Cody has really good recovery but most of the frames are in the startup. This in turn gives him good frame advantage after rocks.
Professor Beef
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And Dan!
The Mango Sentinel
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And Cody, and Chun
Cody probably has the least recovery in the game.
Edit: beaten
Of all the Shotos, I think Ken is the best to start with. His combos are comparably easier to execute than other characters, his links and karas have generous execution windows, he has a go-to spam move with c.MK.
Some people say he tails off at the higher level of play, but I'll never reach that tier so yolo.
Some people say he tails off at the higher level of play, but I'll never reach that tier so yolo.
Fuck and how could we leave out Rose???
Although her fireball is ass she can dominate fireball wars if you play it smart.
The Mango Sentinel
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If I wanted to get into joke tier, then I would've included Rose and Sakura.
Damn edits: that's why I left her out Marz
Though her fireball game has improved significantly in ultra. Her mp fireball is probably the go to fireball now.
Who is really complaining about DWU? So far the only people I've heard actively complain about it are stream monsters that dont want to think when they get a knockdown.
People just aren't used to it yet. They aren't used to punishing dp fadc either. Hopefully by the time EVO comes around it will be more ingrained.
A lot of people are. Wao for one. It's funny how vortex and mixups are supposed to be nerfed because of it but it doesn't seem like it is based on the play so far.
The Mango Sentinel
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Maybe everyone is just so used to dealing with wakeup shenanigans that they just accept it, haha.
I actually haven't used it a whole lot, and when I have it just ended up getting me into trouble, but that's mostly because I haven't been prepared to do anything after I use it. I'll use DWU and then just sit there ready to block even though the opponent completely whiffed. And the opponent sits there surprised that they missed and then we just look lovingly into each others eyes because we had no backup plan. Then buttons start getting pressed. I usually end up on the losing end.
I do however use DWU on Ibuki almost every time I get knocked down and I do have a plan of action for what's next. That's probably because of my extreme hatred for the character.
Oh and I've gotten soooooooo many cheap ass wins with Evil Ryu using red focus. Many matches I should've lost but ended up winning because of the easiest 480 damage I can think of.
Ya, Ibuki has had an alternative for her vortex to DWU since day 1, and now Akuma players have an alternative as well. I'm not sure about other characters though. (Deejay got nothing for his shitty ass vortex lol)
sf2fanatic
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Awful lag today. Only positive took out a #4 Akuma and got some hate mail from another player getting called a scrub.. Love the net
CountBlack
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Anybody trynna play on Xbox? GT: Count Blackule
lego
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#dead
Rice-Eater
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Yes I know it's late, but does anybody want to play me? Hopefully a someone from the East coast(or Midwest)so the lag won't be so bad, or maybe one of you west coasters that I've played with in the past and our connection has always been decent with each other? As always, I can play on either console(for now).
I think I spent 3-4 more angry hours playing ranked last night and as you can guess, it wasn't the most pleasant experience for me. Rather play someone more familiar so I can contain the rage from playing this game.
I think I spent 3-4 more angry hours playing ranked last night and as you can guess, it wasn't the most pleasant experience for me. Rather play someone more familiar so I can contain the rage from playing this game.
The Mango Sentinel
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I don't know if you're still playing and I'm also west coast, but I'll give it a shot.
Rice-Eater
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I'm eating right now, but we can try in about 15 minutes. What's your name on Xbox Live?
The Mango Sentinel
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XBL - EylessOrphan
Guys I think Infiltration is back in serious mode. Destroyed Gamerbee and Poongko in separate tournaments both with a 6-0 coming out of losers.
He had a douple perfect on Poongko too lmao.
Dark horse pick to win Evo this year. He's added Chun Li to his list of characters as well he can hard counter everyone if he wants to.
He had a douple perfect on Poongko too lmao.
Dark horse pick to win Evo this year. He's added Chun Li to his list of characters as well he can hard counter everyone if he wants to.
The Mango Sentinel
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Infiltration will probably always be a god. I would never bet against him. His Chun is so freaking good, and he utilizes all of her tools. He does a lot of shit I never see players do.
That's pretty great
which tournaments?
The Mango Sentinel
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GGs Rice-Eater. I'm starving though, so until next time.
If you couldn't tell, any and all logic goes out the window if I'm fighting Yun. I'm doing moves and pressing every button on my damn controller.
If you couldn't tell, any and all logic goes out the window if I'm fighting Yun. I'm doing moves and pressing every button on my damn controller.
Haha, that's how I feel against the twins too. I wish I knew how to play against divekick characters. I go crazy in neutral against them because their offenses are so scary.
Yang seems like a lot of fun to play as, but he's so scary to play against. I can't even imagine what I'm supposed to do against Yang as Sakura. I'm terrified of letting Yang get into cr.MK range, but he has such a fast walkspeed that I can't not press buttons to stop him from walking forward, and that exposes me to divekicks, st.LK/st.MP counterpoking, or even his sweep (which has way more range than I expected). Plus, once he gets in that range, his rekka pressure is scary and he has a command grab! His walkspeed and divekick also let him get back in if you become scared of his rekkas. Maybe characters with stronger fireballs and a no-meter reversal like Ryu might give him more trouble though. He seems like a fun character to pick up though!
What's the general idea behind stopping divekicks? I've never been able to figure it out. I've been told that I need to neutral jump more when they neutral jump. Is dealing with their forward jump a guessing game? I feel like cr.HP is risky because if I time it for jump-ins, I get hit by divekicks, but if I st.LP I get hit by j.MK or j.HP. Edit: Actually, the more I think about it, the more I feel that it wasn't forward jumps that were getting me, but neutral jumps. Still, any advice is appreciated!
Rice-Eater
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GG Mango, what can I say, I got bodied. When you used Rolento, I had no idea what to do against some of those moves. I haven't played that many good Rolento's and the ones I have didn't abuse that one off the wall move on wake up. I've heard it's not a good move to use on wake up but I don't know what to do against it. I started getting the hang of it at the end but you stopped playing him. I guess he can go to the air or do that rolling move, but both should be pretty punishable from what I've seen and heard..
Yun and Evil Ryu are the only two characters I play, so that's why I didn't use anybody else until the end when I decided to dust off my old Seth that I used to use as a secondary but hardly ever play anymore. I sort of just went ham at the end, but that didn't quite work out for me.
Yun and Evil Ryu are the only two characters I play, so that's why I didn't use anybody else until the end when I decided to dust off my old Seth that I used to use as a secondary but hardly ever play anymore. I sort of just went ham at the end, but that didn't quite work out for me.
Haha, that's how I feel against the twins too. I wish I knew how to play against divekick characters. I go crazy in neutral against them because their offenses are so scary.
Yang seems like a lot of fun to play as, but he's so scary to play against. I can't even imagine what I'm supposed to do against Yang as Sakura. I'm terrified of letting Yang get into cr.MK range, but he has such a fast walkspeed that I can't not press buttons to stop him from walking forward, and that exposes me to divekicks, st.LK/st.MP counterpoking, or even his sweep (which has way more range than I expected). Plus, once he gets in that range, his rekka pressure is scary and he has a command grab! His walkspeed and divekick also let him get back in if you become scared of his rekkas. Maybe characters with stronger fireballs and a no-meter reversal like Ryu might give him more trouble though. He seems like a fun character to pick up though!
What's the general idea behind stopping divekicks? I've never been able to figure it out. I've been told that I need to neutral jump more when they neutral jump. Is dealing with their forward jump a guessing game? I feel like cr.HP is risky because if I time it for jump-ins, I get hit by divekicks, but if I st.LP I get hit by j.MK or j.HP. Edit: Actually, the more I think about it, the more I feel that it wasn't forward jumps that were getting me, but neutral jumps. Still, any advice is appreciated!
Focus attacks and focus backdash will blowup bad divekicks form the twins. Depending on your character, crouch teching with either crouching medium punch of heavy punch will beat a lot of divekick setups.
Links? Would love to see this.
The Mango Sentinel
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If there's a specific matchup you want, I don't mind sticking to it. I usually switch once I've lost twice. Except with Hugo and Rose tonight. I just wasn't feeling Rose, but I wish I would've played Hugo more. He's mad fun.
Rolento's off the wall move (Delta escape) is a garbage wakeup option in the corner. Mid screen, it's ok. I recommend immediately chasing me down and once I hit the wall just neutral or forward jump and use whatever air to air you want. You won't hit me if I'm holding backwards but you'll prevent me from going forward and over your head. You'll effectively be pushing me back to the corner.
The roll you can definitely punish with a sweep. The backflip leading up to the roll is invincible for a few frames, but can be option selected.
The dude is free as fuck once you get him in the corner.
Crab Milk Mickey
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Dhalsim for long-range.
Hakan also ought to be a good grappler if Hugo doesn't pan out for you.
Also be aware of when the twins do a bad divekick(A DK that hits above the knee on block). They'll be at 0 or negative so you can grab, jab out, or reversal them if they try to continue their offense. The biggest thing is knowing when to press a button even when they do a bad DK because the extra 2 landing frames means that you cant hit a button as soon as you see the bad DK as nothing will come out.
Not-So-Solid Snake
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Took a week and half off to help my sister with her surgery, and man, amazing how some time off affects your execution. Its back to normal now, but was pretty ugly at first.
Still really torn on double ultra matchups. Really useful at times, but the damage decrease is disappointing, especially the loss of chip. First world problems...
Still really torn on double ultra matchups. Really useful at times, but the damage decrease is disappointing, especially the loss of chip. First world problems...
NoctisVsStar
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Is it possible we could form an endless lobby? I would like to play with you guys I'm xbl. Idk during the night would be cool if y'all guys are available
Tonight? XBOX LIVE BATTLE??
Huh, only available with EX walljump. That's stupid.
NoctisVsStar
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I'm down, if anything just bump the thread hopefully we can get a few gaffers on board
Vigilant Gambit
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Par for the course with SFIV updates.
Although I'm kinda surprised you're that concerned, since it's only the intro and title screen that are affected by this issue.