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Ultra Street Fighter IV |OT| What is old is new once again
- Thread starter Kadey
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Do you have a sweep that's 7 frames or less or a normal that goes as far as your sweep that's 7 frames or less? If so you can punish almost everything she does on block.
his FADC combo off light axe kick linked to c.lp is also a 1 framer I think
I asked this in the e.Ryu forums but I might as well ask you as well, do you know what MU's e.Ryu loses?
got my first hate mail after losing a game from a Gief player. I was wondering when hate mail after a loss would start...
Karsticles
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GGs. FYI, most of us also post in the FGW thread. Check it out.
Yang?
Elena
joffocakes
Member
Ooh, thanks! Everything just looks so unusual it's hard to tell. Dan's sweep is 10 frames or so but his cr.mk should do it, or cr.mp if she's closer. I'll have to mess around in training to get a feel for what her moves look like.
How does anyone with an internet connection get mad at Elena?
It pains me to give out her weaknesses, but since you play Dan, I'll do it
EX mallet smash(her overhead) is -4. So you can punish that with a jab/short into whatever
HP mallet smash is -1, so it's safe but you have advantage
Lynx tail is -7 and probably her safest special if properly spaced. You can always attempt to punish though just in case you feel they didnt space it properly
slide is -10 and is pretty much always punishable on block unless their spacing is absolutely perfect
sweep is -16 and is almost always punishable on block unless perfectly spaced
spin scythe(the spin kick) is -7 on block and if spaced properly you can only punish it with a 7 frame or less sweep or normal that goes as far as a sweep.(if your normal or sweep goes as far as a typical shoto sweep that is) If Dan's DP has as much horizontal range as Ken's you can also DP punish it as well
Your guess is as good as mine. I fuck up a link against a grappler, easy SPD. I try not to go for EX mallet smash combos against grapplers because of this
Not-So-Solid Snake
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If there is a solution to the crossup hell, I want to know.I don't even see the top Blanka players antiairing stuff, just running away. Makes me worry.
How do you get the electricity off in time though? The fact that a normal has to come out first makes it pretty sketchy for me.
Other than upball, a lot of Blankas antiairs are situational and trade with a lot of moves. Upball, st. hk, and cr. mp are his best, st. hp and st. lk also work, but are super situational.
As for electricity, the only reason its not used heavily as an anti air is that it can get beat out by more jump ins than you think it would (with the exception of ex electricity).
If you plan on using it, cancel far st. lp into light electricity or ex electricity. Far st. lp is a 3 frame normal, Blankas fastest normal along with st. hk, and light and ex electricity have the fastest startups of 5 frames, where medium has a startup of 7 frames, and heavy has a startup of 10. l, m, h all have 9 frames of recovery, ex has 11. Ex is definitely the best version to use, with the downside being you use a bar, and Blanka preferably needs meter for other things in several of his matchups.
Always glad to see a new Blanka, been maining the goofy green bastard since sf2, I'll do my best to answer any questions about him you might have.
It has great range, its downsides are it trades a lot, and it has mediocre recovery, anyone with a divekick can eat that shit up all day.
joffocakes
Member
You're a good person. I played a decent, cautious Elena last night for the first time (most ranked Elena players I encounter just go wild > use healing > go wild) and she was incredibly difficult to open up. Dan losing his main pressure tool of constant lk.dankicks caused my game to fall apart.
Mr Fahrenheit
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I fought a guy from SRK who gave me and my friends a similar lecture, except he was playing as Hugo and was apparently shocked that we opted to zone him. He said that zoning a grappler was scrubby tactics and such. I told him if he didn't want to get put down range of a fireball game he shouldn't be playing as a grappler.
I went on SRK to see what he was all about and found a very recent one of him posting a video of Daigo and calling him a "typical scumbag Ryu."
If someone does a YOLO heal on you with no cancel you can always punish it. The safest way is to just dash 2 - 3 times and sweep.(Dan might even be able to dash 2 - 3 times and ultra, I'm not sure) Even if the sweep doesnt knock off the amount of health they recovered you get the hard knockdown and potential pressure afterwards, a situation an Elena player pretty much never wants to be in.
CountBlack
Member
Stop telling everyone our weaknesses breh
Karsticles
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PSN Karsticles for a lobby invite.
Everyone will forget that post come the next page and say that Elena's cheap again, which is totally fine by me. Lets me get away with mah shit.
This may not work with Yang, but if you think they'll mash grab just do an immediate second DK after the first to blow it up.
ya, it's annoying as hell. I odnt know where they got their timing from either because I cant ven grab Yun/Yang out of a bad DK.
This may not work with Yang, but if you think they'll mash grab just do an immediate second DK after the first to blow it up.
Height restriction =/
Karsticles
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Is there zero input reading going on during cinematic screens? When you heal I try to input my ultra in response but nothing comes out. Do charges accumulate? Very frustrating because I am losing my charge.
I do that. hey, if they did a bad one they're getting thrown.
I heard Ultras "eat up" inputs, but charges do accumulate during them.
Do one better, mash crouch tech with a third button for the option select tech/anti-air. Mashing crouching lk, lp and hp with Abel got me away from so much Rufus pressure in the past.
Charge builds during cinematics, but it tends to "eat" button presses. This is unlike 3rd Strike or Marvel where, if you press a button during the flash, it's coming out.
To get a reversal, you have to button press in the last second or so of the cinematic. There's a window of time when it'll trigger.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Gotta be very careful of tactics like that, because good Rufus players (and me, but I am a crap Rufus) will switch to frame trap setups as soon as they sniff you going for anti-DK OS. Or just stand outside of your OS's range and counterpoke. Or do what I do and get annoyed and EX Messiah you.
Hilarious. It's crazy to me at this point in the game people fail to understand why someone would not want to fight a grappler up close, even crazier get upset about it to the point of ragemail.
I turned all messages off so I don't get dumb ones like this.
NoctisVsStar
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Anyone up for some matches on xbl?
Of course, everything has its counter. But its good against guys who double/triple divekick into throw a lot.
Shouta
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He'll need to be on super point then. I've played excellent Ibuki, Cammy, and Vipers. I also have played against top-tier Gens, so I'm quite used to setups. =o
Thanks for the scouting info!
I'll play in like 15 minutes. My gt is the same as my username.
Maybe your experiences are different then mines, I get that. But personally for me it never works. I hold zonks all the time, they never come out. I don't know if the input is lost and I don't know if I'm the only one to experience this phenomena.
NoctisVsStar
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Starscream191 whenever you get a chance
NoctisVsStar
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This gouken is legit
ipitydatfu
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NoctisVsStar
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Had a phone call right quick lol
Zonk is a little inconsistent for me as well, although the times I try to release it is when I'm usually being pressured. When I let go it just happens to be on the last frames where he's recovering from blockstun or proximity blocking.
NoctisVsStar
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This zone game wow good shit props
Anyone here on PSN and plays Vega? I really wanna learn that MU and have no idea how to approach it.
hurr hurr hurrr
Try not to get too predictable with your fireballs. I was able to slide under them pretty easily. Same with when you decided to walk forward. Also practice blocking HP mallet smash, it's hella slow so I really shouldnt be hitting it with you consistently, it should only be a move that works maybe once every 2-3 rounds or so. Especially so because HP mallet allows her to go into very big dmg/stun dealing combos.
hurr hurr hurrr
Try not to get too predictable with your fireballs. I was able to slide under them pretty easily. Same with when you decided to walk forward. Also practice blocking HP mallet smash, it's hella slow so I really shouldnt be hitting it with you consistently, it should only be a move that works maybe once every 2-3 rounds or so. Especially so because HP mallet allows her to go into very big dmg/stun dealing combos.
Professor Beef
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Guy isn't stupid to deal with.
the_log_ride
Member
In addition to what others have said, if you aren't plinking, you might wanna try that, too. I find that if I plink and miss the MP link, I'll get the LP link instead.
Karsticles
Member
GGs. Every time I did the EX ball out, I was trying to punish.
Add me and we'll play later: Karsticles.
ipitydatfu
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when i was walking forward, i thought i could block in time =x
i was a late on the malletsmash overhead everytime because i was looking out for her lynx tail, it's something i need to get used to
i just like throwing fb haphazardly
Awesome, added. I hope you don't mind lowish level play, I've only been playing SF4 with several people since I started.
hahaPassive Assassin
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what do you think about ibuki vs rufus?
Karsticles
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Huw_Dawson
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You're asking a very bad Rufus player.
IMO, though... Ibuki lacks the defensive options and normals to really counteract Rufus properly, so I think it's a good match for Rufus. However, if Rufus gets caught and knocked down, it's hard for Rufus. So Rufus's goal in the match is to play it safe, press advantage in terms of footsies and neutral pressure, and play smart once they're in so they don't get caught by EX upkicks. Ibuki has to sniff out KD opportunities, harry Rufus, then really, really press the advantage once Rufus is knocked down.