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Ultra Street Fighter IV |OT| What is old is new once again

Which version of Abel was beast? Vanilla or Super? That version would be scary stuff. I remember Breathless in Super was some cheap stuff.

I'm a Rolento player so this wouldn't matter much to me if they add this online edition select mode.

Really though Capcom needs to get on with making SF5 or Capcom vs SNK 3. I'll settle for a Tatsunoko vs Capcom 2 as well.
Probably Super Abel with brainless
kappa
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OceanBlue

Member
I saw y'all and them salty Rose posts in the EVO thread. I didn't realize so many of you felt that way!

Spab Daddy @MrSpab · 2h

Lol rose gets a full bar every round basically , ultra 2 like twice, a dumb backdash , a normal that blows up throw that u can hit confirm
Spab Daddy @MrSpab · 2h

Cr.mp priority and u just buffer that shit lol..Luffy's a good player but her tools are dumb strong and they buffed her cuz ppl suck wit her
Spab Daddy @MrSpab · 2h

TL:DR Rose is a good character, everyone was saying she sucked, BUT Luffy played out of his mind tho and it's well earned :) fuck backdashes
;)

(I'm shit at fighting games/the Rose matchup so I have no idea what I'm talking about lol, and I play Sakura so it's a bit different than against traditional shotos like Ryu. I just don't think she's as weak as people were playing her up to be in the EVO thread. I laughed when Rose backdashed out of Gackt's cr.LP st.HP OS.)
 

FourMyle

Member
Rose's meter building is fucking disgusting

Louffy would literally have 3 bars by the time any of his opponents hit half of a bar
 

OceanBlue

Member
At least Luffy is in a class of his own. Maybe I (and others? maybe) are overreacting :<. Lol, this is one of the problems with being bad: no matchup experience. If the Rose mains really do feel like people were overreacting, I shouldn't pretend to know better.
 
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Deleted member 125677

Unconfirmed Member
thinking about getting into street fighter again, with IV arcade (perhaps Ultra later). Haven't played a street fighter since SF2 on my SNES

How much of a handicap is it playing on a regular controller? Thinking about getting an arcade stick, but damn those things are expensice :/

oh, and could someone recommend some decent online tutorials? Beginner level
 

chriskun

Member
It seems to me rose loses pretty badly to many of the vortex/dive kick characters everyone else she bests though. Her meter building is definitely over the top.
 

Spuck-uk

Banned
thinking about getting into street fighter again, with IV arcade (perhaps Ultra later). Haven't played a street fighter since SF2 on my SNES

How much of a handicap is it playing on a regular controller? Thinking about getting an arcade stick, but damn those things are expensice :/

oh, and could someone recommend some decent online tutorials? Beginner level

Someone literally just won Evo with a ps1 controller.

The highest placing american uses a ps3 controller.

The best Dudley player in the world uses an Xbox controller.

Use whatever feels right to you.
 
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Deleted member 125677

Unconfirmed Member
the combo timings are pretty hard to get right for me

Can't even get past Ryu's level 9 challenge :( Having trouble going from Crouching Punch to Hadouken
 

milkham

Member
Someone literally just won Evo with a ps1 controller.

The highest placing american uses a ps3 controller.

The best Dudley player in the world uses an Xbox controller.

Use whatever feels right to you.

I noticed luffy's ps1 controller and have seen nuckledu's dual shock 2, what adapters are they using? the last time i looked at these kind of pad adapters they required having a wired 360 controller also
 
the combo timings are pretty hard to get right for me

Can't even get past Ryu's level 9 challenge :( Having trouble going from Crouching Punch to Hadouken

You should be doing the hadouken as the crouching hard punch is hitting, rather than waiting for the animation to end, to "cancel" it into the hadouken.

For the last part of that combo, the focus attack, just tap and let go of medium punch and medium kick quickly as the hadouken is coming out. I usually like to practice the final part of trials over and over so I don't fail when I reach that part when attempting the full combo.
 

kaioshade

Member
Yup, already started. Despite playing Rose since vanilla, i get hate mail that yells at me saying im only playing Rose because of Louffy. FFS.
 

vg260

Member
I'm starting to wish Luffy had lost much earlier, so we wouldn't be getting all of these silly complaints about Rose being OP and needing nerfs. Two players (I think) in the top 32 used Rose. The winner played the tourney of his life with a character he's been maining since Vanilla, and some close calls. There were a bunch of characters that could have won this thing. I think it's fair to say no one had easy sailing. The top 16 or even 32 were stacked with killers. I'd like to see a breakdown, but it looks like this update did what Capcom intended, making more characters viable. With there still being one more patch for tweaking, I sure hope they don't do any character nerfs, and just give some buffs to the characters that were obviously weakened or ignored.

Yup, already started. Despite playing Rose since vanilla, i get hate mail that yells at me saying im only playing Rose because of Louffy. FFS.

So dumb, but expected and would happen with whoever won. This is why I turn non-friend message off.
 

cackhyena

Member
Are people only complaining about Rose now? I've hated her for a long ass time, with the easy meter build up and that ridiculous dash. She's not impossible, but holy shit is she annoying.
 

PhatSaqs

Banned
LMAO Im loving all of the Rose hate. Its ridiculous. Luffy played out of his goddamn mind thats why he won. His execution was damn near flawless but on top of that he got away with a ton of shit (yolo drills into super...who does that?). He's been puttin in a TON of work with her since Vanilla. I know since we used to train online together all the damn time.

I bet no one knows he got put out of Dreamhack 4 weeks ago by a Dan player....

Stop the hate and congratulate.
 

cackhyena

Member
LMAO Im loving all of the Rose hate. Its ridiculous. Luffy played out of his goddamn mind thats why he won. His execution was damn near flawless but on top of that he got away with a ton of shit (yolo drills into super...who does that?). He's been puttin in a TON of work with since Vanilla. I know since we used to train online together all the damn time.

I bet no one knows he got put out of Dreamhack 4 weeks ago by a Dan player....
I enjoyed everything I was seeing from him. Actually winning with a character people would never normally bet on is a nice change of pace. I respect the play, just as I'd respect some fool somehow being able to win EVO with Blanka or something. Still hate the char overall.
 
I bet no one knows he got put out of Dreamhack 4 weeks ago by a Dan player...

I knew that! Ixion is my favourite. I was pretty disappointed to see most of his Ultra replays were Guile instead of Dan. Looks like he's picked Dan up again though, from the leaderboards.
 
I know right, time to get hate mail for a character I've always used.

Anyway, Louffy simply played out of his mind last night. Rose is the mid-tiers mid-tier. He showed what a character specialist can do and someone who has immaculate control and knowledge of the match ups. If anyone thinks it was the character and not the player they are nuts.

Louffy has run a train on people before in previous versions, even bodied Daigo several times in vanilla with Rose. Haters gonna hate, but it just proves who has been asleep on the job more than anything.
 

thelastword

Banned
Outside of snakeyes I wanted luffy to take it, just like snakeyes is the best gief, luffy is the best rose in the world, props to these two guys. It really isn't the character, rather it's the person who plays it, I have never seen a rose played so well.
 

vg260

Member
I know right, time to get hate mail for a character I've always used.

Anyway, Louffy simply played out of his mind last night. Rose is the mid-tiers mid-tier. He showed what a character specialist can do and someone who has immaculate control and knowledge of the match ups. If anyone thinks it was the character and not the player they are nuts.

Louffy has run a train on people before in previous versions, even bodied Daigo several times in vanilla with Rose. Haters gonna hate, but it just proves who has been asleep on the job more than anything.

Absolutely, but people will be vocal regardless just because they dislike the character whose design is to annoy, and I would hate it if Capcom listens to them and put in any nerfs. That scares me.
 
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Deleted member 125677

Unconfirmed Member
You should be doing the hadouken as the crouching hard punch is hitting, rather than waiting for the animation to end, to "cancel" it into the hadouken.

For the last part of that combo, the focus attack, just tap and let go of medium punch and medium kick quickly as the hadouken is coming out. I usually like to practice the final part of trials over and over so I don't fail when I reach that part when attempting the full combo.

If I do it when the punch is hitting, nothing comes out.
 

theowne

Member
Louffy played extremely solidly and his character is now viable enough to reward him for it. Anyone who thinks it was matchups might need to look at him defeating two of the best Akumas in the world. If you think Akuma is not a bad matchup for Rose....then we have a different concept of "matchup".

I play Rose sometimes, because she is good at countering XBL monsters, especially the shotos. Hence she generates a lot of salt.
 
If I do it when the punch is hitting, nothing comes out.

Try turning input display on (You can do that in trial mode, right?). Do the crouching hard punch then roll the direction from down to forward and press punch again. If you fail, check what the inputs say. Make sure you're pressing punch after forward.

For a long time, particularly when I switched to stick, I was pressing the buttons a little earlier than needed. The game is quite generous if your timing is a bit later.
 

stn

Member
Rose is an honest character that loses badly to vortex and pressure characters. Luffy had good matchups and has also worked his ass off with the character. There is nothing about her that needs further nerfing.

But no, Rose too good. Nerf her into the ground. Also, Yun players are still having problems getting in. He needs some buffs!!!
 

cackhyena

Member
Take away the things that annoy me about her and she has exactly jack shit to work with, so yeah, the nerf talk is dumb. Not looking forward to the influx of Roses, though.
 

Maulik

Member
Hey guys,

Quick controller question, I used to use my HAP 3 stick for fighting games but now have a projector setup that requires a wireless controller to work. Would you guys recommend the 6 button game pads that were put out for SF4 or are there any wireless fightsticks you would recommend?
 

thelastword

Banned
Rose is an honest character that loses badly to vortex and pressure characters. Luffy had good matchups and has also worked his ass off with the character. There is nothing about her that needs further nerfing.

But no, Rose too good. Nerf her into the ground. Also, Yun players are still having problems getting in. He needs some buffs!!!
Agreed, would people have said Dudley needed nerfs if smug won or if snakeyes won? All these players play characters which are not considered top tier, so what's the problem? Should they make cammy, fei. akuma more top tier to combat those mid tier characters? In the end, we should just conclude that these players luffy, snakeyes and smug work really hard with their characters. Rose, Dudley and Zangief all have tough matchups and these guys put up a very good show against those matchups.

2n2 said:
Does he use the d-pad or analog stick?

I can not understand how anyone could use the 360 d-pad for this game.

I think he uses the analog, there is no way he can use the 360 dpad without damaging his fingers permanently, his fingers aren't made out of rocks now is it? tee he he....
 
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Deleted member 125677

Unconfirmed Member
Try turning input display on (You can do that in trial mode, right?). Do the crouching hard punch then roll the direction from down to forward and press punch again. If you fail, check what the inputs say. Make sure you're pressing punch after forward.

For a long time, particularly when I switched to stick, I was pressing the buttons a little earlier than needed. The game is quite generous if your timing is a bit later.

ok! I'll try to turn it on next time if it's possible
 

alstein

Member
Rose is an honest character that loses badly to vortex and pressure characters. Luffy had good matchups and has also worked his ass off with the character. There is nothing about her that needs further nerfing.

But no, Rose too good. Nerf her into the ground. Also, Yun players are still having problems getting in. He needs some buffs!!!

Rose IMO is exactly where she should be power-wise. I consider her upper-mid, low-end top tier.

I think Dudley's at least mid now, and Gief is high-mid as well.

That said, I think there's only a half-dozen or so low-mids or worse in Ultra right now.
 

Lyte Edge

All I got for the Vernal Equinox was this stupid tag
Who is the best Dudley?

Dudley_Do-Right.jpg
 

hitsugi

Member
Take away the things that annoy me about her and she has exactly jack shit to work with, so yeah, the nerf talk is dumb. Not looking forward to the influx of Roses, though.

This always happens, and then everyone either gets bored of the character (Rose is simply not my style at all) or they just don't want to put the effort in and they stop. It happens every. single. EVO. The character forum on SRK blows up and you see a ton of them online for a few weeks, then it's back to normal.
 

PhatSaqs

Banned
This always happens, and then everyone either gets bored of the character (Rose is simply not my style at all) or they just don't want to put the effort in and they stop. It happens every. single. EVO. The character forum on SRK blows up and you see a ton of them online for a few weeks, then it's back to normal.
Pretty much. Those bandwagoners will learn fast that its nowhere near as easy as Luffy made it look lol.
Gamerbee and Adon immediately springs to mind.
Yeppers.
 
LMAO Im loving all of the Rose hate. Its ridiculous. Luffy played out of his goddamn mind thats why he won. His execution was damn near flawless but on top of that he got away with a ton of shit (yolo drills into super...who does that?). He's been puttin in a TON of work with her since Vanilla. I know since we used to train online together all the damn time.

I bet no one knows he got put out of Dreamhack 4 weeks ago by a Dan player....


Stop the hate and congratulate.

Would have been the GOAT finals with Dan taking out Rose.
 
ugh, I really wanted Bonchan to win. I love watching top-tier Gat play. Either him Sako or Snake eyes. I'm so salty right now, LOL!!!


But it seems like for this Evo, character loyalty paid off for most players. Outcome of choosing a flavor-of-the-month character is a bit of a gamble being that Ultra changes are still pretty new and not fully studied yet.
 

Maulik

Member
Hey guys,

Quick controller question, I used to use my HAP 3 stick for fighting games but now have a projector setup that requires a wireless controller to work. Would you guys recommend the 6 button game pads that were put out for SF4 or are there any wireless fightsticks you would recommend?
 
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