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[hitsugi]

Not all taunts are really ill-meant. Sometimes something hype happens and I taunt afterward, or I know I got a completely BS comeback and I taunt before the last hit out of a dizzy. There are a few scenarios, but it's pretty rare for me to bother.

I remember a CVS1 tourney back in the SHGL days where a match I had came down to our last character - my opponent had the health advantage, we were in a stare-off, and I just taunted mid-screen. The reaction from the crowd and his failure to capitalize on it completely broke him and I ended up winning.

 

[OceanBlue]

One time an Eryu decided to taunt me..when he was down on life and standing right in front of me.

He was playing solid before that so I dunno why he did it. Just as he taunted I jumped in though and he ate a single j. short and died most humiliatingly lol

Maybe he just accidentally slipped his finger over HP and HK lol. I've done that before.

 

[Myn]

A friend of mine is accustomed to using the triple p and k buttons for ultras so he has a habit of messing up his hand positioning and sometimes gets taunt inputs when I know he was trying to focus.

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

I stopped using 3K 3P buttons because you have to reposition your hand, and I would be screwed on the extremely small chance that I end up playing on an arcade machine.

 

[Robot Pants]

I only taunt when I fight someone with an extremely annoying play style the entire game. And I usually only do it after I've downloaded them and get that last round stun, and finish them off after my taunt.

Sometimes it happens on accident and if it does I always send a message saying I didn't mean to.

 

[Marz]

I teabag Seth players when I get stuns with Adon.

 

[sf2fanatic]

I taunt alot with Dan. Seeing people tossing me I come back after with his KMA taunt. I lose alot with Dan but the runbacks I switch to Blanka or Bison and end up beating them.

I also taunt defensive/turtle players. I Just wanna fight and get a match in!!

 

[Myn]

I taunt alot with Dan. Seeing people tossing me I come back after with his KMA taunt. I lose alot with Dan but the runbacks I switch to Blanka or Bison and end up beating them.

I also taunt defensive/turtle players. I Just wanna fight and get a match in!!

I feel like Dan is that extremely rare case where taunting is something that's okay because that's what his character design was created upon. The only time that taunting doesn't make me salty or frustrated is honestly when a Dan is doing it. lol

 

[Professor Beef]

Plus those moon jumps when you air taunt with Dan

 

[mbpm1]

Think my tendency to turtle at the later stages of the game is starting to cost me. Or I'm just not good enough at recognizing opportunities when they're not handed to me via whiffed reversals or whatever

 

[Lost Fragment]

I played Takin Flight recently and I think he has gotten better, still not the best player though.

There are just certain kinds of flowcharts in this game you're gonna get bodied by at first unless you're ready for it or unless you're super good at quickly adapting, which me and most people aren't. Just the nature of the game.

That's sorta why I play endless instead of ranked these days. I feel like 90% of my ranked wins with Elena are pretty fraudulent. Endless at least gives people a good chance to learn the match.

Plus Elena's pretty cheap heh.

Need to run that shit back with Chaotix sometime

 

[DunpealD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxK1O5WhVIk
Boy do I suck at Ultra.. XD

You're jumping too much and it seems you don't have any combos with her or at least not confident enough to utilize them. Which in turn means your source of damage are just single hits and you have to put a lot more effort into defeating your opponent. Maybe a little bit better spacing of your projectiles might help too.

I feel like Dan is that extremely rare case where taunting is something that's okay because that's what his character design was created upon. The only time that taunting doesn't make me salty or frustrated is honestly when a Dan is doing it. lol

Since USF4 Dans taunts actually build meter. So taunting at fullscreen is actually a viable strategy.

 

[ShinMaruku]

This one is only marginally better...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4JB9hCxEA0
Game pisses me off to the point I never do long sets.

 

[Raziel]

Edge knows what's up.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132987875&postcount=1

Is there a reason to favor SSF4 over SSF4AE or USF4?

 

[Robot Pants]

That's sorta why I play endless instead of ranked these days. I feel like 90% of my ranked wins with Elena are pretty fraudulent. Endless at least gives people a good chance to learn the match.

Plus Elena's pretty cheap heh.

Need to run that shit back with Chaotix sometime

Amen to this.
I feel like people are gonna be clamoring for her to be nerfed in the near future

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

Is there a reason to favor SSF4 over SSF4AE or USF4?

Probably because it was the last actual Street Fighter game released. AE and Ultra are really just character packs.

 

[Lost Fragment]

Amen to this.
I feel like people are gonna be clamoring for her to be nerfed in the near future

Sako's playing her. That's all the evidence people should need that she's cheap.

 

[Marz]

She's cheap and you can't even hit her half the time.

That walkspeed combined with those buttons and that hurtbox + healing is a crime against humanity.

 

[Huw_Dawson]

Once you figure out Elena's wonkyness, her entire gameplan runs around "overhead or slide from half screen" it feels like. She's not a good character, she's just badly implemented.

 

[Lost Fragment]

She's a close-range pressure character imo. Randomly sliding too much is a good way to lose with her.

 

[Nyoro SF]

The other problem is that online slides are +15 on block at close range

 

[kiaaa]

Sako's playing her. That's all the evidence people should need that she's cheap.

Sako just likes playing underused and heavy execution characters.

 

[Lost Fragment]

Sako just likes playing underused and heavy execution characters.

Like Cammy and Ibuki. Underused, heavy-execution characters that are also cheap.

 

[Onemic]

She's cheap and you can't even hit her half the time.

That walkspeed combined with those buttons and that hurtbox + healing is a crime against humanity.

her walkspeed(fwd) is pretty avg

Elena isn't cheap, she's just a scrub killer. And you'll for sure lose against her if you've never really played many Elena's before.

 

[stn]

Ever feel like this game hates you? I play Gouken and Rolento. I've played some really good players and was able to hold my own. Then, I go play some novice players who go APE-SHIT and I find myself losing to everything. Moves whiff, pokes get beaten, AA's trade, throws don't tech, and so forth. Its like there's some aura protecting novice players from making mistakes. I'm throwing cr. jabs with Rolento and I get reversal DP mashed. My U1 misses. I get jabbed out of the air raid attack.

I've gotten very far in the old school SF games and pride myself on my fundamentals. You can see that I consider every move when I do it, and that I'm very patient. And yet, somehow I never feel rewarded for that in SF4. I feel like I couldn't play dumb even if I wanted to. I played 15 matches today and ended up going 9-6 after closing out with 7 in a row, but every win took all my breath away. What a fuckin' struggle.

I need to play a stupid air-borne character that just bypasses everything related to Street Fighter and go ape shit myself. There is no place for ST players in SF4. Fuck.

/rant

 

[alstein]

You are playing chars who are vuln to that style of play. You need to recognize quickly which opponents are like that, and counter it.

Bait those reversal DP if you think they're mashing it.

ST fundamentals aren't SF4 fundamentals, and Rolento and Gouken are ape-shit characters themselves.

 

[Lost Fragment]

Elena isn't cheap, she's just a scrub killer.

Whynotboth.jpg

 

[CountBlack]

Leave Elena alone


Also, here I am thinking I'm the GOAT Elena on Gaf then check my friendlist, and notice Fragment has like 10,000 points with her smh

 

[Kadey]

Every time I've used Deejay against Mes I destroyed him. Like Brazil destroyed. Deejay is overpowered.

 

[mbpm1]

Elena is a rough matchup for me. I actually need to learn footsies now, instead of "ken footsies" lol

 

[ShinMaruku]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StO8h95P_NM
Supposedly Juri owns Seth not sure. Critque mah match!

 

[Nyoro SF]

I cannot watch your video at work, but I hope you took some advice from the post I wrote last time.

 

[CountBlack]

Every time I've used Deejay against Mes I destroyed him. Like Brazil destroyed. Deejay is overpowered.

People like you are the reason he got nerfed ;_;

 

[mbpm1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StO8h95P_NM
Supposedly Juri owns Seth not sure. Critque mah match!

If you're going to just block on your opponent's wakeup you might want to stand further back so he can't just throw you. You shouldn't just do that though. If you never do anything but block he has no reason to continue attacking you once he wakes up. Pressure with meaties, throw, do something.

Be wary of anti-airing Seth conventionally. Taking to the air is sometimes an option but he has a great jumping air normal as well with Jump Mp so mix it up. You might want to try your counter if you know he's going to divekick too. Ex Pinwheel should work everytime as well.

Stomps hit overhead. Block High. If you get hit by the first stomp the next one will probably cross up.

Practice your punishes. Sweep or a single jab won't cut it. Cr. Mk into pinwheel, at least, every time he makes a reckless DP.

Also practice your basic hit confirms. Oftentimes you did jab into nothing. This makes it a lot harder to finish matches if you can't take advantage of little opportunities like that.

Finally you jump a lot. It can work sometimes but be aware that better players will stop that.

 

[ShinMaruku]

Working on the jumping at the moment. My thing is can't play for too long or I put down the game for months like I just did till last week. Found some good combos but just need to work on them into hit confirms. Thanks for the pointers.
Nerves are a bithc but that's why I put time in.

 

[mbpm1]

Working on the jumping at the moment. My thing is can't play for too long or I put down the game for months like I just did till last week. .

Speaking as someone who's been on and off online for like, a year, now, I know that feel. Only recently can I actually go through it to play semi-regularly.

 

[ShinMaruku]

I manage to put more time in due to I have other games on my docket and moving them around keeps me from burning out on one. Just annoying that you have to really grind to catch up in sf4 when long sessions are detrimental.

 

[cHaotix8]

her walkspeed(fwd) is pretty avg

She actually has one of the fastest walk speeds in the game, lol.

I think the biggest thing Elena has going for her is that people can't really tell if she's crouching or standing. She has a lot of weird properties that make her annoying to fight against, like the way her hurtbox moves around in neutral.

I could see Capcom making her hurtbox bigger, but that would go for the rest of the new characters as well. She's still gonna end up a low hurtbox like blanka that will require specific combos. Can't see why they'd nerf her though, her mixups are punishable on block, people just need to figure out what is going on first haha.

Fragment, I'm down for another set! Hit me up whenevs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StO8h95P_NM
Supposedly Juri owns Seth not sure. Critque mah match!

Tanden Engine is really unsafe on hit or block unless you get sucked pretty much right into Seth. You get free pressure/punish whenever he spaces it wrong.

 

[hypernima]

Anyone want to play on PSN around 9pm EST?

 

[mbpm1]

Tanden Engine is really unsafe on hit or block unless you get sucked pretty much right into Seth. You get free pressure/punish whenever he spaces it wrong.

Huh. Had no idea.

 

[Onemic]

She actually has one of the fastest walk speeds in the game, lol. .

fwd walkspeed? Naw man. She's as fast as Ryu, which is pretty average. And really, even her backward walkspeed is in the lower tiers in comparison to other footsie based characters. Her fwd dash and backward dashes are one of the best in the game though.

 

[cHaotix8]

fwd walkspeed? Naw man. She's as fast as Ryu, which is pretty average. And really, even her backward walkspeed is in the lower tiers in comparison to other footsie based characters. Her fwd dash and backward dashes are one of the best in the game though.

My bad, you're right. For some reason it always felt like she walked really fast to me. Probably has something to do with her actually being able to touch opponents from a decent distance away. She felt faster than Dudley to me, like Cammy speed Lol.

 

[Onemic]

My bad, you're right. For some reason it always felt like she walked really fast to me. Probably has something to do with her actually being able to touch opponents from a decent distance away. She felt faster than Dudley to me, like Cammy speed Lol.

I always wondered when people said they thought she had gdlike walk speed lol

 

[Robot Pants]

Huh. Had no idea.

Yup a lot if people didn't know anything about Seth just yelled "nerf" and " cheap" enough and he got gutted.
He was completely fair in AE2012. If they needed a change, the medium kick cross up instead of HK. That's fair. The rest were overboard.

 

[kasane]

i was always under the impression that red focus was 3 bars

tried to practice some yun on training and surprise its fucking 2 bars

lol

 

[mbpm1]

i was always under the impression that red focus was 3 bars

tried to practice some yun on training and surprise its fucking 2 bars

lol

Red Focus cancel is 3 bars. Red Focus by itself is 2.

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

Yup a lot if people didn't know anything about Seth just yelled "nerf" and " cheap" enough and he got gutted.
He was completely fair in AE2012. If they needed a change, the medium kick cross up instead of HK. That's fair. The rest were overboard.

Wrong to nerf him, but I still sure as hell won't miss dealing with his dumb shit online.

 

[mbpm1]

Wrong to nerf him, but I still as hell won't miss dealing with his dumb shit online.

The DP FaDC nerf was probably the one that was the biggest relief though. No more 50/50s into 50/50s

 

[Rice-Eater]

My bad, you're right. For some reason it always felt like she walked really fast to me. Probably has something to do with her actually being able to touch opponents from a decent distance away. She felt faster than Dudley to me, like Cammy speed Lol.

I've been wrong in the past as well for similar reasons. I always thought that Akuma's sweep was faster than Ryu's. Then I realized I was decieved by Akuma's much faster walk speed and recovery compared to Ryu's. As for Elena, it definitely has to be the reach. She doesn't need to walk like Akuma or Cammy when you can't ever reach her when she's at her max poke range.

 

[Passive Assassin]

The DP FaDC nerf was probably the one that was the biggest relief though. No more 50/50s into 50/50s

... /shudders