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HK-47 said:
Yeah I really dont get this. It was stupid with dark phoenix too. And its doubly hilarious after all the talk in their color alt segments about picking colors that make it easy to tell characters apart.
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I've seen absolutely no one like the glowy ball X-Factor. If they're looking at any of the feedback that much must have been obvious since the reveal but I guess they're too stubborn too change it.
 
Just got back from Comic Con, kinda didn't get to do much, but I'm good with what I saw. Ultimate is fucking godlike, LOL @ Capcom booth losing power in the middle of some hype series of games, and Dr. Strange is seriously the most awesome thing ever.
 
Nils said:
I've seen absolutely no one like the glowy ball X-Factor. If they're looking at any of the feedback that much must have been obvious since the reveal but I guess they're too stubborn too change it.
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People said the UI was retarded and they havent changed that so thats probably true.
 
Oldschoolgamer said:
Why don't they adjust the coloring of X Factor for different players? It's ridiculously difficult to differentiate between two different brightly glowing red characters...
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Well, the ones that have played it say it‘s not really an issue in person.
 
HK-47 said:
People said the UI was retarded and they havent changed that so thats probably true.
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I blame the Vita.

hey, at least we got the perfect screen. Been nagging about that since it was revealed.
 
HK-47 said:
Yeah I really dont get this. It was stupid with dark phoenix too. And its doubly hilarious after all the talk in their color alt segments about picking colors that make it easy to tell characters apart.
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Exactly. Really poorly thought out. Stupid they're so stubborn about it.
 
The way promotions have worked out for me is kind of funny haha. This game has managed to get me interested enough in Darkstalkers to buy a graphic file and try out the game on GGPO. On the other hand... the decisions behind some characters have lead me to cancel my comic subscription and I never want to play another DMC game to boot lol.

Interesting how that works...
2&2 said:
Exactly. Really poorly thought out. Stupid they're so stubborn about it.
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Vita being the problem makes perfect sense. When I first saw the game I thought this was Capcom's way of trying to differentiate the product from MvC3 as much as possible so that they could divert the hate from such an early release.

They really need to deal with the UI so that it becomes even more minimalist than the MvC3 version...
 
General Shank-a-snatch said:
It's funny how Marvel is really strict with Capcom, but has no problems with activision and EA crapping all over their material.
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Fixed.

Sega is bad, but its out of their hands most of the time...they only make marvel movie tie ins, which are almost never good.

Activision and EA have had games that have had all the dev time they needed, and were still shyt.
 
ThoughtsOfSpeaking said:
Fixed.

Sega is bad, but its out of their hands most of the time...they only make marvel movie tie ins, which are almost never good.

Activision and EA have had games that have had all the dev time they needed, and were still shyt.
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I'm not familiar with Activision and EA Marvel games, so that's why I didn't mention them. Thanks for the fix, anyway.
 
Chalk me up as another vote that is glad that Marvel is leaving the second tier 90's characters in the past. I loved them in MvC2, but there are more modern second tier characters who deserve their time to shine and the game has felt FUCKING FRESH as a result.

Sure, there are a few MvC2 characters that I wouldn't mind having in the game just because I like the character and their aesthetic/background, but I'm not disappointed they aren't in because Capcom and Marvel have struck a really good balance between popular characters, more obscure characters, and varied play style mechanics.

The game actually feels like a new version of MvC instead of a retread of MvC2 with 3d graphics. There is so much diversity in the cast this time around that I'm legitimately interested in playing 90% of the characters.

SolarPowered said:
The way promotions have worked out for me is kind of funny haha. This game has managed to get me interested enough in Darkstalkers to buy a graphic file and try out the game on GGPO. On the other hand... the decisions behind some characters have lead me to cancel my comic subscription and I never want to play another DMC game to boot lol.
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Out of curiosity, what is your logic for the above bolded line? By accounts of those who read comics, many of the new characters have some absolutely fantastic story arcs in their recent comics.
 
zlatko said:
I'm curious WTF Stan Lee and the rest of the Marvel goons think Capcom will do with these characters? Like there must be some guy at Marvel HQ going, "OMG I'VE SEEN BIBLE BLACK AND THERE'S NO WAY I'M PUTTING CYCLOPS IN THE HANDS OF THESE JAPANESE PERVERTS. NO WAY IS HE GOING TO RAPE BEAM PENIS WOMEN!"
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I know there are tons of dedicated Shuma fans out there, but I don't know why else he(it?) was put in the game lol. It's not like they went out of their way to make him an actual character.

The most notable thing about him is his quotes with Morrigan/Hsien-Ko and his assist.
GatorBait said:
Out of curiosity, what is your logic for the above bolded line? By accounts of those who read comics, many of the new characters have some absolutely fantastic story arcs in their recent comics.
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I can get that they are catering to their comic fans, but they don't seem to give a fuck about anyone else. Capcom can throw Strider our way and we KNOW that they are actively checking the big polls for ideas as opposed to Marvel.

I read something like 40+ different digital books over the summer and I had a blast, but they pissed me off by pretending that people outside their comic base do not exist. Also, I wanted to pay $5 a month instead of the bulk $60. I'll probably sign up again sooner or later, but this was more a case of killing two birds with one stone.
 
SolarPowered said:
I know there are tons of dedicated Shuma fans out there, but I don't know why else he(it?) was put in the game lol. It's not like they went out of their way to make him an actual character.
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Someone high up at Capcom is a huge Dr. Strange fan. It's the reason Dormammu is in there.
 
Banana Kid said:
Someone high up at Capcom is a huge Dr. Strange fan. It's the reason Dormammu is in there.
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A lot of reasonings like this for the decisions, most of which I'm not mad at.

Seth loves GnG so he got Arthur in, and then Firebrand.
Niitsuma and the team love Vergil so they put 'em in.
Everyone loves Shuma so they even offered to trade IPs for Shuma-Gorath goddamnit.
 
GatorBait said:
Chalk me up as another vote that is glad that Marvel is leaving the second tier 90's characters in the past. I loved them in MvC2, but there are more modern second tier characters who deserve their time to shine and the game has felt FUCKING FRESH as a result.

Sure, there are a few MvC2 characters that I wouldn't mind having in the game just because I like the character and their aesthetic/background, but I'm not disappointed they aren't in because Capcom and Marvel have struck a really good balance between popular characters, more obscure characters, and varied play style mechanics.

The game actually feels like a new version of MvC instead of a retread of MvC2 with 3d graphics. There is so much diversity in the cast this time around that I'm legitimately interested in playing 90% of the characters.


Out of curiosity, what is your logic for the above bolded line? By accounts of those who read comics, many of the new characters have some absolutely fantastic story arcs in their recent comics.
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This. I only used like 4-6 characters competitively in MVC2 and would just be random with the rest. Here I actually like to learn more then half the cast even if they seem out of place. I miss my Cable and Captain Commando but, with who's here now it's so fresh and interesting.
 
echoshifting said:
So it really is all about the X-Men. WTF?? Marvel doesn't want X-Men in this game?
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Some of the blame for lack of X-men actually needs to be placed on Capcom's shoulders. During one of their comic-con conferences, the reps stated that Cyclops was never even considered by Capcom for UMvC3. For all we know, he could've been on Marvel's list of open choices for Capcom to choose characters from. The Capcom rep stated that they wanted to explore other characters that weren't X-men.

I imagine Cyclops also wasn't chosen because Capcom didn't think he had a lot to offer gameplay-wise. They have made it know that they are trying to fill in gaps in the roster with new and unique play styles (which is a development choice I can definitely get behind).
 
Banana Kid said:
Someone high up at Capcom is a huge Dr. Strange fan. It's the reason Dormammu is in there.
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I thought they originally wanted Dormammu as a boss character but he turned out to be so groovy that they threw him in the game?
 
GatorBait said:
Chalk me up as another vote that is glad that Marvel is leaving the second tier 90's characters in the past. I loved them in MvC2, but there are more modern second tier characters who deserve their time to shine and the game has felt FUCKING FRESH as a result.
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I hear you, and agree for the most part. However, they could have thrown the fans a bone and put in characters that weren't only just popular in the 90s, but have had fans for decades. I'm talking mostly about (non-Venom) Spidey villains than span decades. Just because they're not heavily featured right now, doesn't mean they should ignore decades of history. I think Marvel lost sight of the fact that this is partly a fan-service game, and shouldn't solely be a marketing tool.

The omission of a Spider-Man villain is a Marvel game that pulls from the entire Marvel Universe is a complete disservice to fans. Especially considering Doc Ock or Green Goblin are very popular villains, major Marvel icons, AND would bring unique gameplay styles to the table. That continues to burn me up about this game.
 
2&2 said:
The omission of a Spider-Man villain is a Marvel game that pulls from the entire Marvel Universe is a complete disservice to fans. Especially considering Doc Ock or Green Goblin are very popular villains, major Marvel icons, AND would bring unique gameplay styles to the table. That continues to burn me up about this game.
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I certainly won't disagree with you here. The lack of a Spider-Man villain is the most evident and indefensible gaping hole in the Marvel side of the roster. Spider-Man has a lot of villains that could potentially be very interesting additions to the game: Doc Ock, Green Goblin or Hobgoblin, whatever symbiote Marvel would feel comfortable with, Mysterio, Sandman or Hydro-man...

The reveal of Firebrand was really interesting for me because his play style is nearly exactly what I imagined Green Goblin's would play like. Constantly affixed to his glider and flying around. You could literally take every single one of Firebrand's special moves and substitute in Green Goblin and none of them would feel out of place (fireballs would be replaced with pumpkin bombs, obviously).

Frankly, I'm still curious why there is no Spider-Man villain. I have a feeling there is less straightforward explanation compared to some of the other more obvious omissions.
 
GatorBait said:
Frankly, I'm still curious why there is no Spider-Man villain. I have a feeling there is less straightforward explanation compared to some of the other more obvious omissions.
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Interesting observation:

Marvel is de-emphasizing X-Men. Let's say that they were also de-emphasizing Spider-Man.

However, they are emphasizing Avengers, Doctor Strange, etc.

Now, the Avengers, and likely Doctor Strange, are all characters that are part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe that they're building up, and/or the Avengers animated stuff they're pushing. Isn't cosmic stuff supposed to show up in the next season of animation?

However, X-Men and Spider-Man are still locked away from the new generation Marvel movies by their previous deals with Fox. Spider-Man and X-Men both got recent film reboots that have nothing to do with the primary Marvel movies.

So to put on a tinfoil hat, it would almost seem as if Marvel is more interested in pushing characters from franchises that they have the most complete trans-media control over, and are currently putting all their focus on building film/tv franchises around.

Ghost Rider is also not locked away behind the Foxwall (the films are distributed by Columbia).

Edit: Yes, I got mixed up on Spider-Man and thought it was part of the Fox deals. You can disregard that. Ah well.
 
Okay, I promise this is the last time I'll gripe about this (in this thread anyway). I get the "too many X-Men" argument. And I completely agree that there are more deserving characters in the Marvel universe - Spidey villains, Daredevil, and so on. Finally, I get the argument that some characters seem like they may have a weak, boring or redundant power set. Heck, there are some MvC2 characters I'm not even interested in seeing. These are all reasonable points which could be leveraged against virtually all of the remaining MvC2 cast (except, in my opinion, Thanos).

However, the suggestion that ignoring the remaining MvC2 characters is only bad for people who liked '90s characters, or whatever, is silly and facetious and needs to be put to bed. I'm assuming this is an argument aimed at people who are clamoring for Gambit or Venom (even though Venom has been around in one form or another since the mid-'80s)...? The rest of these characters - at least the ones people are asking for - have been kicking around for decades; many of them even have starring roles in current books. They did not suddenly materialize when Marvel got into cartoons, nor would I expect them to bring these characters back with the designs Jim Lee made popular in the '90s.

So, a little respect please, for, say, Rogue, or Juggernaut, or Thanos, or Colossus, or Psylocke...etc. These are not "90's characters." The argument makes no sense. I don't see people asking for "Rogue but only if it's Jim Lee's old character design."

Kaijima said:
So to put on a tinfoil hat, it would almost seem as if Marvel is more interested in pushing characters from franchises that they have the most complete trans-media control over, and are currently putting all their focus on building film/tv franchises around.
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I think you're probably right.
 
Umm they definitely arent deemphasizing X-Men but I thought Spider Man was having trouble due to bitching from Activision
 
echoshifting said:
Okay, I promise this is the last time I'll gripe about this (in this thread anyway). I get the "too many X-Men" argument. And I completely agree that there are more deserving characters in the Marvel universe - Spidy villains, Daredevil, and so on. Finally, I get the argument that some characters seem like they may have a weak, boring or redundant power set. Heck, there are some MvC2 characters I'm not even interested in seeing. These are all reasonable points which could be leveraged against virtually all of the remaining MvC2 cast (except, in my opinion, Thanos).

However, the suggestion that ignoring the remaining MvC2 characters is only bad for people who liked '90s characters, or whatever, is silly and facetious and needs to be put to bed. I'm assuming this is an argument aimed at people who are clamoring for Gambit or Venom (even though Venom has been around in one form or another since the mid-'80s)...? The rest of these characters - at least the ones people are asking for - have been kicking around for decades. They did not suddenly materialize when Marvel got into cartoons, nor would I expect them to bring these characters back with the designs Jim Lee made popular in the '90s.

So, a little respect please, for, say, Rogue, or Juggernaut, or Thanos, or Colossus, or Psylocke...etc. These are not "90's characters." The argument makes no sense. I don't see people asking for "Rogue but only if it's Jim Lee's old character design."
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IT BETTER BE JIM LEE'S OLD CHARACTER DESIGN

But this post is correct. There should be both a shit ton of X-men characters and a shit ton of new, fresh characters. It's called fanservice.
 
Anth0ny said:
IT BETTER BE JIM LEE'S OLD CHARACTER DESIGN

But this post is correct. There should be both a shit ton of X-men characters and a shit ton of new, fresh characters. It's called fanservice.
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the problem is the roster will always be limited, so there will always be a group of people who are disappointed.
 
Personally, I don't like the idea of fanservice games catering narrowly to fans. There's two problems I have with this:

1. It limits the potential for surprises

2. It pigeon-holes the developers creatively
 
Finally home.

I didn't shown up for NYCC today, because of my friends; but no regrets.

wow I am very behind in many news so it will take me awhile to catch up.


and Sorry, Becq.
 
No more mutants. The Marvel universe is vast and spread. There's no reason why we need another 20 fucking mutants from an era that's no longer relevant in modern comics. And no, characters like Psylocke and Rogue should not return. You'd have a Catch-22 among fans who would want their original versions from MvC2. As they've changed in powers and abilities over the past two decades, you'll just end up having fanboys bitch and complain about how "they're not the same." I point to Jill as evidence of this happening.

There's far, far better and more relevant choices out there for Marvel and Capcom to choose. How about we stop living in the past and live in the now.
 
I ended up liking Nova a lot more than I thought I would. He has great rushdown and unlike Iron Fist he actually has ways of getting through zoning characters.

Also PW has a steep-ass learning curve, but is really fun once you get the hang of him. I had no idea what I was doing the first time I played him but by the third I was getting the hang of picking up evidence and the differences between his stances.
 
HK-47 said:
Umm they definitely arent deemphasizing X-Men but I thought Spider Man was having trouble due to bitching from Activision
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It wouldn't surprise me. Blech, if I didn't have enough reason to hate that company.
 
HK-47 said:
Umm they definitely arent deemphasizing X-Men but I thought Spider Man was having trouble due to bitching from Activision
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I doubt it. Marvel purposely sub-divides their licenses to avoid these types of issues. They are a damn good case study in how to maintain a great deal of flexibility and control with their IP license rights.

echoshifting said:
However, the suggestion that ignoring the remaining MvC2 characters is only bad for people who liked '90s characters, or whatever, is silly and facetious and needs to be put to bed.
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I think the easiest explanation for that suggestion is that, I would assume, the primary demographic who is most critical about MvC3 has had the a lot of their Marvel character exposure resulting from growing up during the 90's. We played 90s X-men-heavy Marvel crossovers for over a decade, dabbled or were fully invested in 90s comic storylines, and watched the Marvel cartoons and played other Marvel videogames (both of which primarily dealt with X-men or Spider-man).

Anth0ny said:
IT BETTER BE JIM LEE'S OLD CHARACTER DESIGN

But this post is correct. There should be both a shit ton of X-men characters and a shit ton of new, fresh characters. It's called fanservice.
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X-men representatives already make up 25% of the on-disk roster as it is. And aren't the Wolverine and Storm designs in this game the non-Jim Lee designs?

The problem with using the word "fanservice" is in its definition. Fanservice for who?

X-Men fans (which subset, modern or 90s? Though there is crossover between the two, obviously)? Spider-Man fans? Mystic Marvel fans? Cosmic Marvel fans? Avengers fans? Fantastic Four fans? Fans of individual characters who have not typically been affiliated with one team like Iron Fist, Ghost Rider, Deadpool, She-Hulk Daredevil, Punisher, Namor, Blade, or Moon Knight?

What about new, "curveball" choices for the roster? And do you leave room for characters who became previous Vs. fan favorites, even though they may not be particularly relevant or demanded by current comic books fans?

Personally, I think the answer is a resounding YES to every single one of those questions. Problem is, there are only 25 spots on each side of the roster, so with every roster choice there is going to be some level of discontent from fans of other characters who believe that their favorites should be more adequately represented.
 
GatorBait said:
Some of the blame for lack of X-men actually needs to be placed on Capcom's shoulders. During one of their comic-con conferences, the reps stated that Cyclops was never even considered by Capcom for UMvC3. For all we know, he could've been on Marvel's list of open choices for Capcom to choose characters from. The Capcom rep stated that they wanted to explore other characters that weren't X-men.

I imagine Cyclops also wasn't chosen because Capcom didn't think he had a lot to offer gameplay-wise. They have made it know that they are trying to fill in gaps in the roster with new and unique play styles (which is a development choice I can definitely get behind).
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This and so much this.
That's why I prefer having Skrull instead of Human Torch or Thing, or why I enjoy having Viper instead of Ken, or why I like having MODOK instead of Cyclops... their playstyles are just so different from all the other characters in the game already or in comparison to MvC2. Most of the playstyles in MvC2 are pretty uninspired, some are even direct clones with slight aesthetic differences and/or moves having a bit different attributes.
That's also the reason I'm a bit upset about Akuma getting in, as he offers little in comparison to Ryu, who obviously has to be in to rep Street Fighter.

In this game, every character has something unique to them that makes them vastly different from the other characters. And to be frank, I'd rather have a game with oddballs having unique gamestyles (not to mention that even the oddballs are part of the history of the particular company) rather than 500 shotos that all play the same but are called Venom, Gambit or Mega Man.

To me gameplay >>>>>>> aesthetics.

As for Marvel pushing for specific characters, I actually approve of that. Look at it this way. Would you, an average fighting game player, ever have known of characters like Rocket Raccoon or Iron Fist? These second-tier characters are not only there to cater to the actual comic fans, but also to get the people who don't read comics interested into them. Especially these 2 characters - have you seen how many people went "I don't know ANYTHING about Rocky/Iron Fist, but I looked him up and he seems awesome."? That's what you call publicity. They are making their second tier series more known. Which is GOOD. There's so much more to the Marvel universe but the heavy-hitters, and by showing consumers who are not "up to date" or very interested into comics new characters, you are going to attract them to check them out.

... that turned out longer than I intended it to be. I should stop rambling.

IntelliHeath said:
Sorry, Becq.
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It's all good, man. It's all good. Welcome back. :)
 
GatorBait said:
Frankly, I'm still curious why there is no Spider-Man villain. I have a feeling there is less straightforward explanation compared to some of the other more obvious omissions.
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Doctor Octopus is almost dead (or did he finally die?).
Venom is currently possessed by Flash Thompson and nothing like the other Venom hosts; Eddie Brock is holding Anti-Venom.
Norman Osborn has been recently imprisoned, and while he broke out, he hasn't appeared since then.
All the other Spidey villains are dead, imprisoned and/or too minor to be considered (like Hydro-Man).
 
Id rather have Mr Fantastic or IW. Since Skrull doesnt get nearly as crazy or creative with those powers. Hell he barely uses IW and she is the most powerful and presents the most freedom for a moveset cause of how flexible her powers are.
 
Becquerel said:
Doctor Octopus is almost dead (or did he finally die?).
Venom is currently possessed by Flash Thompson and nothing like the other Venom hosts; Eddie Brock is holding Anti-Venom.
Norman Osborn has been recently imprisoned, and while he broke out, he hasn't appeared since then.
All the other Spidey villains are dead, imprisoned and/or too minor to be considered (like Hydro-Man).
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Isnt Phoenix dead and Nova kinda dead? Death means so little in comics its not an excuse at all when they will be back in 4 months.
 
HK-47 said:
Id rather have Mr Fantastic or IW. Since Skrull doesnt get nearly as crazy or creative with those powers. Hell he barely uses IW and she is the most powerful and presents the most freedom for a moveset cause of how flexible her powers are.
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I somewhat agree with you there (hence I didn't mention them =P), though Mr. Fantastic would be pretty much just Dhalsim. I would've enjoyed either of them make it in, but I honestly LOVE Super-Skrull, he's probably my most favorite FF villain after Doom himself, and one of my most favorite cosmic-based characters too. I just LOVE the Skrulls in general.
So I am very happy with his inclusion, which I NEVER would've suspected to happen, being a cosmic fan and all. :3

Invisible Woman would've really been fun, though, I'll stand with you there.


HK-47 said:
Isnt Phoenix dead and Nova kinda dead? Death means so little in comics its not an excuse at all when they will be back in 4 months.
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Phoenix is ALWAYS dead, it's one of her gimmicks, and I remember reading that Capcom actually pushed for her inclusion.

Nova is alive and good.
 
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