UMVC3: Phoenix Wright and Nova Revealed!
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Karsticles
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LeMaximilian
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Doom still looked fast as hell during his back dash. lol
Doom still looked fast as hell during his back dash. lol
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Oldschoolgamer said:
He's the only character whose triangle dash got faster, all the others were slowed down, lol.
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smurfx said:
Yea. Magneto and Doom have pretty much swapped their dash speeds from vanilla to ultimate. So Magneto now has vanilla Doom speed and Doom now has vanilla Magneto speed.
Doom is so gonna be top tier, lol. There's virtually nothing bad about him.
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Grecco said:
Eh, it's not the worst thing they did, except for the fact that one character went out with a faster downback dash than anybody else.
Removing airdash blocking and several character buffs/nerfs are far more confusing. Like, Zero is already such a good character, why is he allowed to charge his buster before the fight even begins? It's not like it takes forever to charge in the first place.
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Becquerel said:
Doesn't pay rent.
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Grecco said:
Cause Zero is a bullshit character anyway, and this is making him more bullshit.
Yep, poor Hsien-Ko, Morrigan, Joe, Spider-Man...
There must've been something in the mobility department of the diagonal airdash characters that Capcom didn't like. I dunno why either.
zlatko said:
1) Yes, you can.
2) Those are the lightning dashes, right? I think they won't allow you to block either.
Jintor said:
Has been known since the day the game was announced, son.
LeMaximilian said:
But he has finger lasers!
Lol'd though.
Karsticles
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I still want to know the answers to my Firebrand questions, Max! :-O
1) Characters like Magneto could superjump and down-back air dash back to the ground forever just to fuck with you, and there's just nothing most of the cast can do except try to pre-empt his advance because of how fast he moves. Making the down-back air dash discourages this behavior and rewards offensiveness.
2) Some characters have slow ground dashes, and this is an intended drawback for them. However, their air dashes are much faster, and so players took to maneuvering those characters through rapid down-back air dashes along the ground (Dormammu, for example). Capcom wants us to abide by the intended limitations, and this change ensures this.
I think it's for two reasons:
1) Characters like Magneto could superjump and down-back air dash back to the ground forever just to fuck with you, and there's just nothing most of the cast can do except try to pre-empt his advance because of how fast he moves. Making the down-back air dash discourages this behavior and rewards offensiveness.
2) Some characters have slow ground dashes, and this is an intended drawback for them. However, their air dashes are much faster, and so players took to maneuvering those characters through rapid down-back air dashes along the ground (Dormammu, for example). Capcom wants us to abide by the intended limitations, and this change ensures this.
Air dashes are ridiculously good in this game, just below teleports in mobility power. They needed SOME downside. Know that I only play characters with air dashes, and I think this is probably a good change.
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I just wonder if max has access to shuma and jill... probably not x.x
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QisTopTier said:
Since he has had made a Jill video for vanilla - if his version is the release version or compatible with the vanilla DLC, he should have access to them.
Jintor said:
Is Evil Wolverine from that Capcom/Marvel platformer, Marvel Super Heroes: War of the Gems.
I feel like they're comfortable buffing Doom to this degree due to how awkward he is for casual players to use. His specials and hypers aren't very intuitive, and thus he's unlikely to be as problematic as say, Sentinel was, in low-level play. (Zero also kinda fits this mold due to his execution requirements.)
kirblar said:
They're buffing Doom to make him easier for casual players to use, especially in his general movement speed.
And Zero? Mr. Giant hitbox, Tiny hurtbox, Million years to hitconfirm?
Both got more buffs than they needed. Doom could've used the speed boost. That's about it.
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kirblar said:
But then what about Haggar and Tron?
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VJoe got buffed damage, that's all that matters to me (besides wanting his OTG RHK back). No blocking during air-dashes is no skin off my back.
They don't have to spend meter.Sir Ilpalazzo said:
Their assists got nerfed. They said in interviews leading up to Vanilla that they didn't want any "assist only" characters, and were trying to make everyone playable on point. The problem with Hsien-Ko is due to just how good that assist is (and it wasn't nerfed) you essentially have to balance her around the assumption that she's going to be used for a gold armor assist.Sir Ilpalazzo said:
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Grecco said:
Honestly, not even the gold pendulum is that good. Yea, it's great, but it comes with the price of 1 meter, tagging her out, the fact Hsien-Ko still can take allllll the damage if she gets hit, and of course the fact that you have to play Hsien-Ko. And even then it doesn't pay off that much, there's better assists out there.
Tron at least is a decent character even on point, and Haggar, eh... he's really bad, but he can do some stuff at least.
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i still think that no Blockin Air dash thing is a bad change.
Some characters will be royally screwed, and random Hypers are newly encouraged now.
Zoning was ok in Mvc3 not cuz defense was too good, but cuz certain zoning tools themselves were weak and situational, buff them.
Some characters will be royally screwed, and random Hypers are newly encouraged now.
Zoning was ok in Mvc3 not cuz defense was too good, but cuz certain zoning tools themselves were weak and situational, buff them.
Joe more than totally should have the OTG Red Hot Kick back.
Morrigan is so close to being a solid well-rounded character that seeing this indirect but potent nerf to herself makes me salty before the game has even been released, even if I know I'm still playing her because she's a bad bitch. :lol
Hsien-Ko though, this one is still the most painful to me. If Rinkoumon is seriously the reason why they feel like she shouldn't be reworked to be viable, let alone good which she is totally capable of being (LOOK AT DADAMAGE MIXUPS! Actually, just watch the whole damn video. :lol), I'd give it up in an instant. Chop the time on it down a few hundred frames, and give me my cancellable pendulum, air dash with increased speed and forward momentum, ability to combo after a throw/blender, ability to tell what item can dizzy from an Anki Hou and give bombs a hitbox. Also OTG c.H fuck yeah.
They could leave everything else alone and she'd be awesome and without bullshit guaranteed. :lol
Morrigan is so close to being a solid well-rounded character that seeing this indirect but potent nerf to herself makes me salty before the game has even been released, even if I know I'm still playing her because she's a bad bitch. :lol
Hsien-Ko though, this one is still the most painful to me. If Rinkoumon is seriously the reason why they feel like she shouldn't be reworked to be viable, let alone good which she is totally capable of being (LOOK AT DA
They could leave everything else alone and she'd be awesome and without bullshit guaranteed. :lol
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Oh God, if Hsien-Ko was any like her Darkstalkers counterpart, she'd be so awesome. Not even exactly like the Darkstalkers version, just... closer.
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kirblar said:
Tron, at least, also got some pretty nasty nerfs on point. Maybe the two of them have some good buffs that no one has noticed yet, but I'd rather have assist tier characters than unusable ones.
Karsticles
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It's only delicious until your character becomes the next Phoenix.
Tron's good on point, people are just lazy with her. PR Balrog has made a ton of comebacks with her against top players.
Random hypers vs. the ability to punish anything from mid screen with no risk thanks to tridashes, and no negative consequences if you fail. I wonder which is worse...
Morrigan is low tier. She's not close to being solid at all in MvC3. There are too many unanswered questions about her in UMvC3 to judge, though.
She can solo combo from all her throws now - huge buff. Drill is safer. j.H knocking back so you have to chain into drill is a really small nerf compared to those things, especially since j.H wasn't even her best approach in a lot of situations.
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enzo_gt said:
Thanks for the heads up!
Karsticles said:
Phoenix just isn't dumb anymore. If people actually like Phoenix as a character, they should continue to use her, because they can still win with her. But now that she's not as much of an easy win, they'll switch.
I agree that Tron is good on point.
I think the ability to block during airdash is dumb, and I approve of the overall change. I do wish Morrigan actually had a grounddash, though.
Morrigan's mid to low in Marvel. In Ultimate, her minor adjustments were really what she needed. I think she's going to be a force to be reckoned with.
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No but firebrand will LOLzlatko said:
Karsticles
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I think you mean DARK Phoenix just isn't dumb anymore. As someone who has almost a thousand matches with Phoenix on point, she's anything but easy to use for "Phoenix as a character". With the UMvC3 changes, Phoenix will be shoehorned into Dark Phoenix style, and YES, it will still be very effective, but these are not the changes people who don't like Dark Phoenix should be asking for. She'll still be a ridiculous anchor, she's just not a great point character anymore.
Aye, ground dash on Morrigan, comboable air throws, and her spiking drill kick would make her a solid character...
I need to know how high she has to be before air dashing to judge. If I can do qcf.L, qcb.S, and then air dash behind my fireball, then I think she'll be decent.
Zero is already top tier in MvC3, and he got buffs while everyone else at the top tier was nerfed aside from Viper. He's already a mindless, 100% safe character with ridiculous priority on everything he does, and now everything he does is even more safe, and he can self OTG-relaunch as well. You're going to see him all over the place, and if there are patch updates, you might be singing a different tune in the future.
Personally, I never rejoice too much for Dormammu buffs.
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