That's great, it's an amazing gun.
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Uncharted 4: A Thief's End Multiplayer |OT| Swinging To Victory
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Wow, I feel bad for the enemy team lol
DaciaJC
Gold Member
Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. I abuse it all the time to shut down Sidekicks and groups of players hiding behind cover. Sometimes I'll have one use left over and I'll throw it at a single enemy. Poor bloke never stands a chance.
Somnium986
Member
Would post my perspective, but it's really boring. It's just me getting revived constantly.
Yeah it blows my mind that it is hardly used, but a few months from now I can see it running rampant. Once you throw it they're defenseless to fight back or even run. It's some of the easiest kills I've ever gotten, especially if you have a grenade and you throw it at a group.
Rewrite
Not as deep as he thinks
It's already being overused IMO. I agree with your original post. At the moment there is no counter for it and add the extra slow motion mod and you're fucked. This is what everyone does, they'll activate it and throw a grenade. It's so cheap.
Negotiator
Member
The way I see it, it's a stopping power replacement. Too many people cried about the G-MAL SP, so now we got this. Be careful what you wish for, because sometimes it gets replaced by something worse
. ;p
Perhaps they should have added a stopping power weapon mod instead of Indra's Eternity. This could promote aiming a bit more, instead of slowing down multiple opponents all at once with almost zero effort. The UC3 Summer beta had stopping power one use boosters.
Just giving a suggestion/alternative. I don't see it very often and most of the time I don't even use mysticals or sidecocks.
(the same thing happened with Situational Awareness)
Perhaps they should have added a stopping power weapon mod instead of Indra's Eternity. This could promote aiming a bit more, instead of slowing down multiple opponents all at once with almost zero effort. The UC3 Summer beta had stopping power one use boosters.
Just giving a suggestion/alternative. I don't see it very often and most of the time I don't even use mysticals or sidecocks.
Yep, shouldn't slow you down so much. You're basically immobile when it's used. Either nerf how much it slows players down or make it a smaller area of effect.
Net_Wrecker
Member
I complained that Indra's Eternity was a bunch of nonsense back during the betas. I went against numerous team who would spam multiple of them at the same time and it was garbage. There's almost no way out of certain scenarios, and it's only going to get worse as casual player numbers drop off.
There needs to be a new Mystical called "Bullshit Counter" that only ever costs a dollar, and when you use it all the bullshit on a map and in anyone's inventory just poofs away.
There needs to be a new Mystical called "Bullshit Counter" that only ever costs a dollar, and when you use it all the bullshit on a map and in anyone's inventory just poofs away.
Chronospherics
Member
Unless they throw it point blank onto you, just move away from it. You have enough time to get a full roll / jump distance away from the blast, and provided you're not stuck in the middle of it during this time, you'll be fine.
The hard counter to indra's is djjin, which is also lower cost.
Negotiator
Member
Interesting perspective. Maybe the meta is deeper than we thought.
Indra's is not a stopping power replacement and stopping power isn't necessary, I've never had issues downing people who were running at me. And there's no sprint so stopping power would just make it almost impossible to get to cover or return fire if you were in the open and shot at. It would also favor a gun like FAL heavily which is already beast. Stopping power doesn't "promote" aiming so much as it makes it a lot easier by turning your opponents ground to sludge, which is bullshit. Even in U3 they ended up tuning out most of it because it was just too oppressive to open movement.
Indra's is a really powerful defensive/offensive area denial and it needs adjusting back down to 1 per purchase like in the beta, along with more aggressive price hikes similar to El Dorado.
Rewrite
Not as deep as he thinks
Thing is, I've had the djinn mystical and been inside Indra's range with the slower mod and it doesn't do anything when I try and dash away. Its worthless.
Trying to come up with different ways they can balance it...
- you can stack up 4 of them, maybe every purchase should get you 2 or just 1.
- you can throw two of them, maybe just allow one throw and not two.
- they could reduce the time a tiny bit more if you use the extra slow motion mod as I find that mod to be the ONLY mod worth using for that mystical.
The base Indra without the slow motion mod is 100% fine IMO. it's just the extra slow motion mod that is the problem for me.
Right now, whenever I face off against parties that's all they use. Indra with extra slowdown mod + grenade. Happens every time. They don't even try and shoot you. Just grenade you.
Overall, I think most of the mysticals are fine. There is definitely not a lot of stone revive spam anymore after the LP increases. El Dorado is still the best way to flush out an area of enemies, but they really need to fix the bug where you get hit with the specters and not take any damage. Speaking of El Dorado, I've read plenty of threads in the ND forums requesting buffs which I disagree with. A decrease in LP maybe, but thats about it. I think El Dorado's problem at the moment is that it takes too much time for it to appear and start doing its job. Maybe ND should make the spawn of it more quicker.
Trying to come up with different ways they can balance it...
- you can stack up 4 of them, maybe every purchase should get you 2 or just 1.
- you can throw two of them, maybe just allow one throw and not two.
- they could reduce the time a tiny bit more if you use the extra slow motion mod as I find that mod to be the ONLY mod worth using for that mystical.
The base Indra without the slow motion mod is 100% fine IMO. it's just the extra slow motion mod that is the problem for me.
Right now, whenever I face off against parties that's all they use. Indra with extra slowdown mod + grenade. Happens every time. They don't even try and shoot you. Just grenade you.
Overall, I think most of the mysticals are fine. There is definitely not a lot of stone revive spam anymore after the LP increases. El Dorado is still the best way to flush out an area of enemies, but they really need to fix the bug where you get hit with the specters and not take any damage. Speaking of El Dorado, I've read plenty of threads in the ND forums requesting buffs which I disagree with. A decrease in LP maybe, but thats about it. I think El Dorado's problem at the moment is that it takes too much time for it to appear and start doing its job. Maybe ND should make the spawn of it more quicker.
Chronospherics
Member
You need to roll before you get caught, just like you do from grenades. I've grown the habbit of moving position as soon as I see them in hand, even before they are thrown.
Cmon man.
You know ND and Sony don't care about the multiplayers in their games that much.
It upsets me at how great their MP games are, but they don't even realize if they gave it more support it'd be such a hit.
Seriously, they do so much right, but mess up on the little things that would make it an S tier game.
Chronospherics
Member
Except for Rigs right now.
I'm excited for Rigs though, it looked cool on the post conference interview thing.
Negotiator
Member
Or perhaps the DLC is not ready yet... they could show some Co-op Adventure, for example. Maybe in Gamescom or Tokyo Game Show.
xenorevlis
Member
Mobbin' Online 4 is now up! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ezyLXv0jw
Featuring NeoGAF regulars, falling through the map, AND another character gets "twisty"
Featuring NeoGAF regulars, falling through the map, AND another character gets "twisty"
Grinchy
Banned
Sorry I didn't get back to you last night when you were sending out invites. I had a buddy over at my place and I was just showing him the ropes (no pun intended).
xenorevlis
Member
No worries, just had a spot open so wanted to invite ya!
Also, guys wtf that 40 and 0 game was won WITH A RANDOM?!
Coolbgdog12
Member
This MP is in dire need of new content. it feels like it's losing steam.
Net_Wrecker
Member
Played a team that was synchronizing 3 hunters and indras eternity at the same time today.
Yep.
That sure was something.
Movalpolos
Banned
Yup. Got to max level in Ranked and I don't really care about unlocking anymore guns.
Nate's FAL for life.
boredandlazy
Member
Anyone else having issues where matchmaking just skips over searching for optimal games, and goes straight to close ones? I'm not getting any games filled with 4 bar players anymore.
Net_Wrecker
Member
Only just noticed the way the characters handle the Jackal in this game while aiming. The super tight grip and off hand thumb/hammer animation is A+. I still find my gawking at all the animations from time to time. Everything looks so satisfying.
Chalupa Batman
Member
Meaning you're getting all 5's? Or worse? Where do you live? I haven't had any connection issues since the first week (white plug).
boredandlazy
Member
4 bars in the highest you can get.
What I'm saying is that during matchmaking the game usually looks for optimal games, then close games, then any games etc. When I do matchmaking it just skips past optimal, and goes straight to close which means I get games populated with 2 and 3 bar opponents rather than the full 4 bars I used to get.
Oh, and I'm in Australia.
Negotiator
Member
The AUS pool is not that big, so the matchmaking algorithm has to widen the search radius to find players...4 bars in the highest you can get.
What I'm saying is that during matchmaking the game usually looks for optimal games, then close games, then any games etc. When I do matchmaking it just skips past optimal, and goes straight to close which means I get games populated with 2 and 3 bar opponents rather than the full 4 bars I used to get.
Oh, and I'm in Australia.
4 bars in the highest you can get.
What I'm saying is that during matchmaking the game usually looks for optimal games, then close games, then any games etc. When I do matchmaking it just skips past optimal, and goes straight to close which means I get games populated with 2 and 3 bar opponents rather than the full 4 bars I used to get.
Oh, and I'm in Australia.
I'm in AU too and I've been getting into unplayable games more and more often. Like the white network icon will just pop up every 5 seconds...
Chronospherics
Member
It's really fun. You should check out peoples videos and see if you like the look of it.
Here's one of mine from the beta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl-CZyGQBak
Definitely. Thought we'd get an update during E3 week.
I mean, I don't even have all the cosmetic stuff unlocked yet but those things become so unimportant when all we have is 8 maps and 3 modes to play with.
After the first few days I've only played just enough to wipe out my challenges, and nothing more.
Rewrite
Not as deep as he thinks
I've got all the vanity stuff already, so it's really disappointing that they've been so silent about upcoming new content. I have fun, but the MP is severely lacking right now in terms of content and replayability for the average Joe. They really need to do something quick because it's losing steam.
the more I play, the more I miss the treasure spawn/drop system from U3. it was RNG as hell but there was more a thrill to it... especially early in U3's life... and chest opening from the menu is RNG also it's just so passive... it's too hearthstone-y for my liking.
maybe they could bring back treasure drops but instead of collecting sets, just make individual drops rarer but always give an item... they could weight certain items to drop more than others, even include those 1 time use boosters in the loot table; all while maintaining the current complete challenges, buy chests system. combining the two would make playing more matches beyond challenge completion more rewarding.
perhaps it's something they'll consider as they add more unlockables.
maybe they could bring back treasure drops but instead of collecting sets, just make individual drops rarer but always give an item... they could weight certain items to drop more than others, even include those 1 time use boosters in the loot table; all while maintaining the current complete challenges, buy chests system. combining the two would make playing more matches beyond challenge completion more rewarding.
perhaps it's something they'll consider as they add more unlockables.
I am saving but I might buy some of the named guns just to check them off my list. Almost have the the modifiers all unlocked too.
boredandlazy
Member
You're not listening to me. It's not like it's looking for an 'Optimal Game' and failing to find one. It's not even looking to for them at all, and this was something that started happening overnight. It was fine one day, then messed up the next so the player pool shouldn't be part of the problem.
TimeEffect
Member
Lack of modes is really depressing. They need Objective mode with like 8 modes within it. That would make me happy for a long while.