Just got my platinum on UC1 remaster. Game definitely held up better than I thought but man I can't wait to get into uncharted 2. I forgot how annoying the matrix style enemies were in the first game. I think I'll go through 2 and then take a break and do 3 a bit later after I play some of the fall games.
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UNCHARTED |OT| The Master Thief Collection
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Syria is a weak point in UC3 for me. Up until this point I thought I was crazy for thinking the game was lacking in any way compared to the second, but Syria made me realise it's simply not as consistent. Overall Syria seems like it may have been rushed, as there are so many things about it that just feel less polished and poorly paced.
Uncharted 3 Syria Chapter issues.
Oh and one other thing, I was getting a random gamma glitch on this level, where in some of the internal rooms and areas e.g. the segment you enter after descending with the well, the gamma kept switching to a lighter, washed out tone, only to fix itself the moment I stepped outside. Anyone else notice this?
Uncharted 3 Syria Chapter issues.
- Weird cuts from gameplay to cutscene.
- Un-characteristically short gameplay segments (literally gain control after a new segment and walk just a few metres before another cut scene starts again. The franchise barely ever does this, but in this one level it happens 3 or 4 times).
- Several instances where you'll go through a door or walk through something before it suddenly becomes blocked behind you moments later.
- Enemies popping out together suddenly in a group as if out of thin air (instead of one after the other realistically), with no sense of place, worse than any of the other moment in the franchise.
- Silly sequence triggers that result in amusing occurrences (e.g. 8 guys with rocket launchers popping out in perfect harmony with one another, the moment very I walk past this line).
- Rough narrative delivery. Eg Talbot just appearing out of nowhere and managing to have an entire segment of dialogue with Charlie, despite me being with him just moments ago.
- Etc.
Oh and one other thing, I was getting a random gamma glitch on this level, where in some of the internal rooms and areas e.g. the segment you enter after descending with the well, the gamma kept switching to a lighter, washed out tone, only to fix itself the moment I stepped outside. Anyone else notice this?
Admiral Woofington
Member
The best part of beating these games is that I can beat them right now and then play UC4 once that comes out without being burned out as there will be a decent couple of months. Also I'll be able to see how the jump in hardware and software has improved the basic mechanics.
Oh, I don't think I knew that about U3. I just meant I'd bet Bluepoint budgeted more time towards the U2 remaster since it is so highly regarded. From what I can remember (playing these games so far apart) U2 & U3 both felt right around the same size and scope in my lame opinion, but maybe I'll have a different opinion once I get there in the remasters.
It is like that on ps3. I had the exact same thing and checked the original. When you lower down and the camera is looking straight up I thought I was under water or something.
Syria is the one segment of 3 I flat out dislike. It's just dull and strangely paced. Thankfully after that the game really takes off.
I think a lot of people will finally come around on how fantastic of a combat sandbox the shipyard is with the improved aiming and framerate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OGqLX70pnY
Me playing it in the collection
. Level design wise it is great but shows some of the issues with the poor AI/lack of decent hit reactions. This type of level with UC4s combat design, where you can use the water to break line of sight and with a couple of grapple hook spots...AMAZING.Uncharted 3 has a lot of innate problems with its combat; that's a fine sandbox in theory but its sunk (hiyooooo) by these issues.
Papercuts has a fantastic post on this, with detailed video examples, earlier in the tread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OGqLX70pnY
Me playing it in the collection
I'm going to write a big reflection post on the series and a bit about looking ahead to 4 once I'm done with the collection. I'm so glad this set happened. Reflecting on one of my favorite series like this with the finale on the horizon has been a really great experience.
I strongly disagree there. I think the encounter design has issues in places but the overall combat mechanics and maneuverability are the best in the series in 3. It's even more apparent playing it directly after 2.
AWESOME! Look forward to reading it.
The shipyard imo is one of the best designed combat segments in the entire franchise, probably of any third or first person shooter ever made. It's a shame people didn't gel with it (likely because they found it too hard or cheap), because it's actually rather ingenuous. It offers an incredible amount of tactical diversity, gameplay freedom, and potential for creative strategy / approach. There are so many amazing things about it.
EDIT:
I discussed it a bit in this post from an old thread.
Just finished UC1. I still get a kick out of Nate constantly pulling leavers and moving stones to reveal hidden passages filled with bad guys.
All these hidden rooms have unlocked back doors :lol
I died a bunch of times platforming because Nate didn't grab what he should have. Especially when wall running while holding a vine/rope/chain. That was mildly annoying.
Looking forward to starting UC2.
All these hidden rooms have unlocked back doors :lol
I died a bunch of times platforming because Nate didn't grab what he should have. Especially when wall running while holding a vine/rope/chain. That was mildly annoying.
Looking forward to starting UC2.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
None of those issues really apply in that segment. Well, I guess enemy flinching does, but that's always been more of an eye candy issue than anything.
Seriously, a shame in about two places where it made no sense whatsoever to have enemies in the hidden passages. It's such short segments too, that not having enemies there would not have done anything to pacing.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Really want this, but not for $60. Any deals yet or hope for BF?
The flinching is far more than cosmetic, as you can see in his videos. And you've still got the incredibly dumb idea to map O to a useless throw.
I know this is the uncharted thread, but I'm hoping some general ND fan will be able to help me out, since I don't want to start a new topic over this.
I'm playing the Last of Us remaster. I just got passed Fall. This is the time period where Ellie's DLC takes place. So, my question is, if I start it, will it erase the current playthrough I am on with the main game? Because I don't want to start fresh as though I were selecting a chapter.
Halp?
I'm playing the Last of Us remaster. I just got passed Fall. This is the time period where Ellie's DLC takes place. So, my question is, if I start it, will it erase the current playthrough I am on with the main game? Because I don't want to start fresh as though I were selecting a chapter.
Halp?
the_batman
Banned
it's a different save file.
Oh, I agree about the flinching and the melee issues but I think overall the combat in 3 is substantially better and more varied than people give it credit for.
indigodomino
Member
there are flashbacks to an actual part of the ending of the game, I'd avoid playing it, just wait until you are done with the main game
This surprised me as well, I recall in the past liking the first half of UC3 well enough then turning more in the mid to end game, but in the replay Syria was my least favorite spot by a long shot.
Also I swear the game was building up
some sort of supernatural twist with Talbot. Him getting shot and being fine later IIRC was explained by someone at ND saying it was body armor, but in the game it's met with genuine shock when...something that mundane wouldn't be. Then the scene with Cutter being drugged has Talbot walk around a corner and vanish as they look for him.
It's soooo weird.
Agreed. I still love just actively being in the endgame environments due to their look, the setting itself was the perfect spot to go after 2, but it's a shame it's so underutilized.
It's a different save file but I'd recommend waiting to play it until after you finish the game. It'll totally mess up the pacing and story flow if you play it now.
Having more options/variety ultimately means nothing if you don't nail game feel.
So I'll be able to jump into my old save file once I played it? 100% sure? Also, I've been playing on Hard with listen off, which makes for SUCH a different experience, but I'm definitely bumping it down to easy once the final encounter comes in, because that shit was just stupid.
I've already played LoU, if that's what you mean, so it's not going to spoil anything. I'm actually doing this specifically because I think it'll flow better than having me randomly go back once to it to the 3rd quarter of the game, after the game is over. The only thing that changes is the period of
uncertainty regarding Joel's life
Fair enough
I can definitely understand why people enjoy 2 more than 3, I just think there's a lot of exaggeration about the difference in quality between the two games.
Its much heavier and more directly inspired by Indiana Jones; the fist fighting in particular might as well have been directly ripped from the plane fight in Raiders.
I just think its actually over designed not much fun to play, I'd take the comparatively extreme simplicity of U1 over U3.
I feel weird playing it because I genuinely do not find it fun. Its got all the elements and comes frustratingly close to gelling but ultimately crumbles. I can't stop thinking about how I'd rather be playing U2.
With all his
teleporting skills, general bullet resistance and access to that hallucinogen found in Ubar way before anyone had gotten there, I fully expected the game to show he had been a djinn all along, guiding Marlowe there so she could unleash more of them
It's sort of like UC2 and
Elena being mortally wounded, Drake coming back from a final boss fight around a pool full of life restoring resin and... not bringing her any. Naw, she'll be fine without it
It's like that Simpsons episode where Mr Burns goes through 15 levels of security to the room that turns Springfield's power off, only to find a dog got in via the broken screen door.
mrqs
Member
Just finished Uncharted 2: Among Thieves.
Uncharted Drake's Fortune was a big mess for me, so i went to Uncharted 2 a bit concerned.
Well, the sequel is so, so much better that it doesn't seem to have been made by the same developer. Is really that better. But it's not perfect, at all.
GOOD THINGS
- While in Uncharted 1 they hinted at some set pieces and the action tone, in the sequel they embraced it with so much creativity! It's really amazing. So many people told me about the train sequence and it was great (a bit too much with the bulletsponge enemies), but the sequence jumping from car to car was simply mindblowing. Really amazed me.
- Graphics are just mind bending, even for today's standards, which really amazed me
- Gameplay is great this time around, controls are good and walk/shoot is satisfying, but still a bit clunky and loose
- The soundtrack nails it, really sets the mood and, sometimes, even gets more attention than the visuals
- Characters are much better developed and written, some scenes are pure fun to watch and the chemistry between Drake and Elena is priceless
THE BAD (and ugly)
- Man, plataforming and parkour are almost never fun. Really. There are some levels that you have to parkour some weird things and it's pretty interesting, but climbing walls is not really my kind of thing
- Puzzles are simple and didn't seem to have much tought into it. Also, the diary give the answer so it's not really a puzzle
- Boss battles are crap. Really. They took the ones from Uncharted 1 and made into several more in Uncharted 2. How can anyone enjoy this? The final boss battle is terrible, the "mystical creatures" boss battle is not clever at all and the list goes on and on
- The story is not there yet too, you can't care too much to an pointless blend military villain that wants to get rich (?) It's that the best they could do? And the "oh my god we need to find this but shit it's not this is that and this thing does that so that is this" story is a bit too much. Uncharted 1 made the same convoluted story and this doesn't helps to make us care at all. It's just meh.
- Please stop with the never ending waves of enemies and those snipers pointed at your head
CONCLUSION
It's a much, much better game than the first, but it's not perfect. But there's a lot from it that shines bright.
Uncharted Drake's Fortune was a big mess for me, so i went to Uncharted 2 a bit concerned.
Well, the sequel is so, so much better that it doesn't seem to have been made by the same developer. Is really that better. But it's not perfect, at all.
GOOD THINGS
- While in Uncharted 1 they hinted at some set pieces and the action tone, in the sequel they embraced it with so much creativity! It's really amazing. So many people told me about the train sequence and it was great (a bit too much with the bulletsponge enemies), but the sequence jumping from car to car was simply mindblowing. Really amazed me.
- Graphics are just mind bending, even for today's standards, which really amazed me
- Gameplay is great this time around, controls are good and walk/shoot is satisfying, but still a bit clunky and loose
- The soundtrack nails it, really sets the mood and, sometimes, even gets more attention than the visuals
- Characters are much better developed and written, some scenes are pure fun to watch and the chemistry between Drake and Elena is priceless
THE BAD (and ugly)
- Man, plataforming and parkour are almost never fun. Really. There are some levels that you have to parkour some weird things and it's pretty interesting, but climbing walls is not really my kind of thing
- Puzzles are simple and didn't seem to have much tought into it. Also, the diary give the answer so it's not really a puzzle
- Boss battles are crap. Really. They took the ones from Uncharted 1 and made into several more in Uncharted 2. How can anyone enjoy this? The final boss battle is terrible, the "mystical creatures" boss battle is not clever at all and the list goes on and on
- The story is not there yet too, you can't care too much to an pointless blend military villain that wants to get rich (?) It's that the best they could do? And the "oh my god we need to find this but shit it's not this is that and this thing does that so that is this" story is a bit too much. Uncharted 1 made the same convoluted story and this doesn't helps to make us care at all. It's just meh.
- Please stop with the never ending waves of enemies and those snipers pointed at your head
CONCLUSION
It's a much, much better game than the first, but it's not perfect. But there's a lot from it that shines bright.
The Xtortionist
Member
I keep hearing this and must be in the minority because I actually think UC2's final boss is totally alright.
Earlier post I wrote about it:
mrqs
Member
I really think boss battles usually are not well crafted, i don't see even why put boss battles in a game like Uncharted.
I was so glad playing The Last of Us, all the "boss battles" are not quite boss battles. The only one maybe is on the winter chapter, and has real meaning behind it. Even games like The Phantom Pain had some bad boss battles for me, never felt satisfying.
The only boss battles i really like are from Souls games.
MrPink93485
Member
Playing through these and rewatching the UC4 Extended E3 demo has me extremely excited. There does seem to be a more weighted feel to the shooting and the melee combat looks more fluid than ever.
I think it's pretty good, as you mentioned it forces you to play slightly differently, being far more mobile, fast and aware of your surroundings than usual. The other boss fights, which are basically helicopters lol, are fun to take down.
I think 1 was the best of the first 3 but agreed about 4. Has a bit of Ellie in her appearance now.
Man, the jump in expressiveness between the first three and UC4 models is amazing.
CMojicaAce
Member
This is frustrating, I'm about 80 percent through the second game and as soon as I beat this somewhat annoying part my game crashes and is stuck in the checking error status screen.
Tried restarting my ps4 by holding down the ps button and selecting power options. Now the system is stuck on a black screen with a light going in a circle in the middle of the screen.
Edit: Annnd it corrupted my save, pretty cool. This kind of ruined my uncharted experience. Don't really want to replay the game from the beginning.
Damn that sucks. Can you try downloading a save from the cloud?
Blitzrules240
Banned
Knocked out 11 more chapters in UC2 this evening.
I loved the variety of locations I've been in. Had a few difficult firefights but we prevailed.
Love Nolan North's delivery as Nathan Drake, this game has been awesome.
I'm on Chapter 18 but
I loved the variety of locations I've been in. Had a few difficult firefights but we prevailed.
Love Nolan North's delivery as Nathan Drake, this game has been awesome.
I'm on Chapter 18 but
what in the love of all is Holy is that Ram horned demon? WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT!
the_batman
Banned
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It is more, but it's not much more. I mean, the game is pretty damn easy to play, flinching or not. It's not that you lose some big practical advantage by it not being there. As for O being a throw, it's again such a fringe scenario (for my play style anyway) that I'd use O to roll away from the enemy at the last possible moment, while enemy is right next to me.
holygeesus
Banned
This might sound odd, but does anyone else find the facial animation in the second game, very Disney-esque?
"Ease" of play is not anything I was pointing out, it's that the game feel is downright bad when your bullets are shrugged off. A TPS with bad game feel is fundamentally messing up. But further, you do lose practicality which is why I had those examples where I died specifically due to no flinch, it's meant to be something you can predict and depend on to stagger power users at the right time to specifically avoid scenarios like that from happening.
And O to roll DOESN'T WORK when they're close, which is the problem. O is a defensive button that overrides to an aggressive move in proximity to an enemy.
Kölsch Bloot
Member
Just found this in a German Forum, and if it really works it should make the Brutal Playthrough considerably easier.
Start a new Game on Brutal -> As soon as the game starts you need to press the OPTIONS button -> go to the Options menu - > change difficulty to Crushing -> press O -> go to the Options menu again and activate One Shot Kills and Infinite Ammo -> change Difficulty back to Brutal -> Resume Game
Start a new Game on Brutal -> As soon as the game starts you need to press the OPTIONS button -> go to the Options menu - > change difficulty to Crushing -> press O -> go to the Options menu again and activate One Shot Kills and Infinite Ammo -> change Difficulty back to Brutal -> Resume Game
Heh that's very remiscent of the survivor+ workaround in TLOU.
brickarts295
Member
Man that Lazarevic boss fight is BS kinda makes me glad the final boss in U3 is a QTE fest.
Nightengale
Member
Currently just arrived at the airport part of UC3.
Having never played UC3 before, some of the hyperbole surrounding the game is baffling to me. The pacing & the moment-to-moment of UC3 is not as strong as UC2, definitely, and Syria was a step below every other levels at this point of time, but a lot of the core gunplay is better than UC2's. Much better. And the set-piece moments of UC3 are still highly engaging and fun, even if they're more self-contained and don't have the "flow" that UC2 had with Nepal -> Train -> Tank -> Convoy.
Granted, there are some things which I felt are not good, like hit response, the shotgun armored dude, and some enemies that feel like they teleported to your location to encourage melee, but the net gains (like the improved combat arenas ) are a net positive that makes the combat pretty fun.
the_batman
Banned
psh, git gud, bruh. i beat that fight in my first try when i played the collection.. though i think i died twenty times when the game originally came out.
yup
GAME FEEL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=216_5nu4aVQ EDIT: 2min 5sec in and onwards for shooter stuff.
Enemy hit reactions are a vital visual feedback which makes combat just much more satisfying. It has nothing to do with looking cool or making the game easier.
Unknown One
Member
Lazarevic is all about dancing around the stage. Once you get the hang of his pattern, he is easy, even on Crushing.
Highly disagree! At least on crushing, being able to pretty much stun enemies by shooting them and making them keep on flinching is a very key component. In UC3 they just keep running at you, shrugging off bullets like Superman and can even shoot you, when previously they couldn't. It's a huge change that both looks and feels terrible.
I don't know how anyone can go through the cruise ship level and think the combat arenas are improved over UC2 tbh. On crushing it's huge exercise in tedium as enemies constantly spawn behind you and quickly kill you.
The Xtortionist
Member
UC3 hit reactions are kind of a problem I guess. You can just play around them by not staying out of cover as long and going for more headshots. Doesn't really bother me. As Nightengale said, some of the gains are tremendous.