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[OmniGamer]

Okay, I wrote a whole lot in response.. but it is just a meandering mess that does little else but make me look bad so here are the high points:

1) my faith is everything to me

2) I didn't vote on any of the gay marriage ban ammendments and I have no idea really how I'd vote if given the opportunity (any kind of definition added to a constitution I think is usually a bad thing, limiting). I know I've probably mention in the past that I would but honestly I'm not 100% sure I could right now.

3) I may come off as having little sympathy for the plight of homosexuals because I was at Cal for 4 years and in the Young Republicans so it was I who felt like a second class citizen during the duration of my time there. Although, I will say some of the liberals I knew were pretty retarded when it came to homosexuality and that ticked me off.. they would point people out, mock/joke and be rude in general. If anything I almost felt a solidarity with homosexuals during my time there. It's only a little better here in Madison (the Berkeley of the Midwest).. and that's because people are known to be a lot less rude here.

4) Like I said before, the christian church is basically reacting right now as a result of the very aggressive push right now by the homosexual movement to impose MANY things (among them a REQUIREMENT to teach YOUNG kids homosexuality is good-not just acceptable- in public schools) The church is still trying to come to terms with it all and the homosexual movement is just barrelling along with no regard for anyone else's opinions. Even if the movement is 100% right, the movement is coming off as a one imposing its will onto others... WE don't even know if we will be affected but (1) the movement is not giving us time to figure it out and (2) the movement is DEFINITELY trying to bring the war to our faces.. engaging us on our turf... it feels more like a preemptive offensive than a legitimate fight against oppression (another reason why I am perplexed by the whole second class citizen talk). The way the movement is handling it has a direct effect on how the church is reacting. I wonder if most people realize that the movement is forcing our hand right now?

5) Basically I'll support anything that gets more people to turn their lives over to Christ.. if you can convince me that supporting gay marriages will do that I'll fight on your side.

I'd be very interested to hear from a christian homosexual if there are any here.

This is what annoys me...we're expected to quietly mull around in a corner somewhere, while you try to decide how to "deal with the problem", as it fits in to your belief, meanwhile denying us rights. Who made you Big Daddy and we, redheaded stepchildren? I find it highly offensive that you and people like you find people standing up for themselves as an AFFRONT to you.

Homosexuality isn't some new thing that just exploded into existance...it's been around for thousands of years, transcending many different cultural and environmental backgrounds and factors. It's certainly been around long enough for your Bible to supposedily condemn it....so where do you get off saying we need to stand in a queue and wait to be heard? Are you kidding me? And you call standing up for ourselves aggressive? What do you call the intense venomous condemnations that anti-gay bible thumpers expouse? What do you call shouting "BURN IN HELL! BURN IN HELL!"?

The only ones trying to impose their will on others are the anti-gay bible thumpers(i'm saying this to seperate them from the more rational people who pratice religion). Gay people aren't saying Straight people CAN or CAN'T do something because they are straight...however those people are saying that we CAN'T do something because we are gay. Is this not clear enough? I believe "this" so therefor you can't do "that".

And what do you expect when someone is being opressed....of course they are going to be louder than average. Who is louder, a person just going about their business, or somoene pinned to the floor with a spiked boot planted into their back? You want gays to "quiet down" and "get out of your face"? Let us have our equal rights....further denial is only going to keep us motivated to press on for what is right. Banning gay "marriage"(like i said, they can keep the word, i'm only talking about the same benefits given to man/woman couples) isn't going to erase homosexuality.

 

[videogamer]

Then why bring up the fire-in-a-theater example at all?

try reading my previous post again. It's right in front of your face.

 

[akascream]

try reading my previous post again. It's right in front of your face.

The hostility is overwhelming. Ok, you win, whatever it is you were trying to win. I'll leave your thread alone again. I just didn't want people to feel like I was ignoring them.

 

[videogamer]

The hostility is overwhelming. Ok, you win, whatever it is you were trying to win. I'll leave your thread alone again. I just didn't want people to feel like I was ignoring them.

Uh hostility? I'm one of the few posters who restrains from cursing for goodness sake. I don't think I called you a single name either. Described you negatively yes, but I don't recall using any names against you.

 

[Shouta]

Oh enough with this, it's just going to start over again.

I'm locking the thread. If anyone has any disagreements about this, send a PM to me and plead your case (unless another mod opens the thread again).

 

[Mike Works]

This is a mod/admin temporarily re-opening the thread to voice the question over why akascream could get away with the following;


"IMO there are 2 gross assumptions being made here. First, that homosexuals don't have a choice. Has it ever been proven that homosexuality is not a choice?"

"The point I'm making is that some people really do consider homosexual behavior to be destructive to society."

"If you homosexuals want to be considered equal, then let people call you a faggot without expecting a fit of outrage."


So one or more of the mods/admins has "known him" for a while and knew that his open-for-interpretation statements/rhetorical questions could and most likely would be mis-construed (and that is far fetched given the above) were purposefully posed in such a manner. This allows him to get away with this... why?

I'm really not seeing the thought pattern behind this.

 

[Shouta]

The last comment was answered by akascream several posts back.

The first one one I do not see any problem with. He's asking if homosexuality has been proven to not be a choice, that it is genetically ingrained into the person and evidence to prove it so.

The second comment is an observation of other's points of view..

It had happened before I intervened. I was unable to nip it in the bud, so to speak.

However, as I pointed out earlier. While his points can be misconstrued and was more or less playing up to the rest of the crowd (i.e. being an asshat) later into the thread, it was not aka that started this nor did he actually intend venom towards others. It was others that jumped on him then he went with the "flow". I'm not letting him get away with it as far as there are others that instigated the event, both are to blame. No reason to ban both parties.

 

[Mike Works]

Yeah, but why do you think they jumped on him? With statements like; "Has it ever been proven that homosexuality is not a choice?", is it ANY surprise that they did? akascream may have held an unpopular (on this forum or in this thread at least) opinion walking in here, but he obviously conveyed his thoughts on that matter in an utterly insincere matter, which was only made worse by the obvious masking under the pretense of asking an honest question.

How could you consider him asking if it's been proven homosexuality is not a choice not be deemed flame(bate) worthy?

 

[Shouta]

His first two posts were fine. Absolutely nothing wrong until his third post where he stated this.

But some make the argument that homosexual males are predators of young boys. That they spread AIDS at a faster rate than heterosexuals. Is it possible, even if genetic, that homosexuality is destructive?

From here on, everyone jumped on him because they assumed that he was automatically saying Homosexuality is related to pedophilia and the spread of AIDs. This quote clearly DOES NOT say that. So from here on out, he got jumped on repeatedly for what he said most of which was read incorrectly.

Mega Man's Electric Sheep pointed that he thought akascream was trying to connect the two with homosexuality and hiding behind a "Devil's Advocate" argument. I believe this not to be case on the basis of what he wrote and what akascream has wrote in the past. I mean as much as I don't like the guy (and akascream knows that) he's being misread here unlike the political threads I've browsed before. Perhaps you are right in that he was being insincere however, I see no venom in his initial postings. It isn't until later that he is being an ass. I'm not going to ban someone that got dogpiled and tried to argue his way out (in a futile attempt).

How could you consider him asking if it's been proven homosexuality is not a choice not be deemed flame(bate) worthy?

Because it's a legitimate question. He doesn't know the answer (which he clearly states in his posts) while others say it is not by choice. He asks how can they be so sure. The only possible evidence that was presented was the experiences of a select few are homosexual and have been since as long as they can remember. However, I pointed out that cannot be an end all be all piece of evidence because they're equating their experiences for the entire community. That sort of thinking has caused so many problems in human history and is not legitimate answer for the community at large.

Btw, I'm not dissing you Omni. I just don't think your experiences alone (or a small number of people on a gaming forum) speak for thousands upon even millions of others.

 

[bishoptl]

To the mod forum, guys.

 

[Shouta]

Yes, boss!