You'd be surprised, actually. At least on the employment part.
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United States Election: Nov 6, 2012 |OT| - Barack Obama Re-elected
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You'd be surprised, actually. At least on the employment part.
Came for the lulz from the poligaf thread. Not disappointed. It's gonna snow around here tonight so we need all the salt we can get.
Agreed, I also think another problem is how lots of wealthy old people i.e. Donald Trump associate themselves with the party and use their wealth to try and bully Obama and other politicians which was more negatively view by people than positively.
Interfectum
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Oh yeah. If people are dumb enough to spout ignorant, racist shit on Twitter then they are dumb enough to think the things they say 'derr derr online' can't touch them in 'real life.'
Well, he's not predicting the election so much as he is predicting the *chance* of an actual outcome. That chance isn't going to go away.
teruterubozu
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Michelle Bachmann just became the last remaining face of the GOP. LOL
Takamura-San
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I guess we will see the republicans response to this in less than 2 months.
CharlieDigital
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See, the thing is, the minority groups are still just that: a minority of the voting block. That's a future issue.
Women? That is an issue already manifesting itself because it is, by population and voting participation, the largest voting block and it broke for Obama by 11 points.
Women outvoted men by 6% points and voted Democrat over Republican by 11%.
This is a now problem whereas the minority vote is a future problem.
The real wakeup call has to be the policies and messaging around women.
Jex
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This opinion piece on Nate Silver's is fairly amusing: Nate Silver's numbers racket
Barbacoatl
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ElectricBlue187
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true but if they have to know they will have to do better than 25% of hispanics if they are going to win in 2016 and onward
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
I didn't even get a sticker for voting. I want stuff!
ElectricBlue187
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IF U WAS BLACK U WUD NOT LIEK DAT
voting polls have a well known liberal bias
You are talking about people who consider Obama a communist. Singapore would just be another communist country with much less freedom. Oh, and they have mandatory health care too.
The funny thing is the arrogance of these people who think they can just move to any country in the world and they'd welcome them.
From my perspective as a libertarianish conservative, I'm pretty much at the point that I don't care what the GOP does anymore. They aren't nearly fiscally conservative enough, and the nation is on a crash-course with bankruptcy. I am 100% concerned with the economy right now, and people like Akin are just royal pains in the ass.
The collapse is coming, and it didn't matter who we elected. All the election did was determine at what pace we're going to go flying over the cliff.
My half-joking point was more asking why the small states deserve a say greater than their population.
I completely recognise the factors behind it, and they're reasonably solid - I'm not really arguing that things should change to something fully PV-based - but from a purely pragmatic, dispassionate view, why *shouldn't* the larger population state have more of a say? Or, to turn it on its head: Why *should* an individual vote in a small state carry more weight than an individual vote in California?
(Actually, that said, what *is* the ratio of EV to population for each state? From that standpoint, which states have the most direct power?)
Barbacoatl
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I think I understand the cynicism behind your post but it's not remotely cute, I'll tell you that much.
ReadingRambo
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Drive-by tears.
Mengy
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Yes, I agree that Obama didn't detail out his plan to my satisfaction either, but his "plan" was still much more clear than anything Romney put up. Romney was running on magic math, it was so fiscally irresponsible that I'm ashamed that any true Republican voted for him at all.
It's embarrassing being a Republican today. Honestly I'm more D than R nowadays anyway, or at least it feels like it now. I wish my party would come back to me....
However, unlike you Bulbo, I'm staying put. Our country needs us now more than ever. I love America, and I ain't going nowhere.
They already have more of a say?
Real reason why the Republicans lost and will continue to lose until they fix their image and messaging:
Women outvoted men by 6% and there is an 11% gap favoring Democrats.
Interesting. The pattern between age and voter breakdown is expected, but it's still funny to see how consistent the shift is.
Accept he clearly ran on the following policies:
tax raises on top earners to pay for deficit reduction.
leveling off the growth of military spending.
pushing through the Dream Act.
That coupled with the "Grand Bargain" he tried to get Boehner to take and his American Jobs Act hit all the bases as far as his domestic policy are concerned.
Saying that Obama didn't have an actual plan is pure ignorance. It's there and quite easy to find. A sitting POTUS can't run on the kind of "day one" statements Romney was making because those aren't actually possible to unilaterally do and if they were a sitting POTUS should have already done them. Instead Obama kept up the same philosophical narrative that he's been attempting pass legislatively for the past two years.
I'm white.
That obviously makes me a super-racist for thinking people have the right to be racist even though I personally am not.
Or is the argument going to be that, since I've never been hit with the n-word, I am ignorant to the necessity of locking people up for thoughtcrime?
You would think that. But iirc an electoral vote from Wyoming is worth 100000 people, while in California its worth something like 650000 people. It's a busted system that needs to be rebuilt.
CharlieDigital
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As I keep pointing out: Women were the single largest voting block.
Digest that for a moment.
Let it sink in: Women were the single largest voting block
For all the talk of the age shift, the racial shift -- both minorities and the youth are a smaller voting block than women.
Republicans lost because they turned off women.
What has Obama done? Two female SCOTUS judges, Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, ACA birth control provisions, appointed and supported competent women in high positions, etc.
Have we searched twitter looking for other racists (aka non white racist)? Or are we just looking for white racist who hate Obama? If we find non-white racist can we beg anon to forward their to their employers as well?
NOTE: I am not defending racism. I can't be defended. I am more pointing out the cherry picking of tweets to match the possible agenda. If we are exposing racist, then lets do just that.
NOTE: I am not defending racism. I can't be defended. I am more pointing out the cherry picking of tweets to match the possible agenda. If we are exposing racist, then lets do just that.
The Omega Man
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I have a question, all these people threatening to move to another country, do they have a "World Citizen" passport/nationality valid to live wherever they chose?
Are these people aware they can and probably will be kicked back/deported to the states unless they apply the proper way to immigrate to whatever country they selected? and even doing that the selection process is always lengthy and demanding (depending of the country chosen a proficiency in other languages will be needed)
Is this threat to move to another country an empty threat? I just can't help picturing in my head a middle-america red-neck with his family landing in another country and saying to the customs officer: "Hello I am 'murrican here is my 'murrican passport you're so lucky I've chosen this country to live in"
Are these people aware they can and probably will be kicked back/deported to the states unless they apply the proper way to immigrate to whatever country they selected? and even doing that the selection process is always lengthy and demanding (depending of the country chosen a proficiency in other languages will be needed)
Is this threat to move to another country an empty threat? I just can't help picturing in my head a middle-america red-neck with his family landing in another country and saying to the customs officer: "Hello I am 'murrican here is my 'murrican passport you're so lucky I've chosen this country to live in"
While that's true, the female block isn't growing like the hispanic one is. This election may pivot around women, but Republicans have problems in more than one field right now.
el retorno
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Hangover :/
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
And to be fair to Fox News, they had several people on this morning saying the exact same thing. One lady even said that the reason the GOP lost 5 senate races is because they keep electing "crazy people" in the primaries.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Exactly. And when Romney offered "hope" for the future for that young girl in the town hall debate by saying he lets his female employees off early to go cook for their family, I think that was a dagger.
The Bush tax cuts, the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, and the prescription drug plan. What do all of these things have in common? They were paid for on our credit card - in other words, they weren't included in the budget. The debt was always there, it just wasn't on the books because 'someone' didn't put it there. That should piss you off, and maybe it does, I don't know. These things didn't appear on the budget (or our debt) until the Obama administration.
Getting people back to work. What should we do about that? How about giving 'employers' (aka rich people) a bunch of money via tax cuts? Okay great. What about that makes them employ people, exactly? The kindness of their hearts? No. All of the people showing up buying stuff, leading them to have to hire people? No. The lack of customers is what's fucking businesses. Nobody's buying shit, so there's no need to hire people. This fundamental problem doesn't get solved from the top down. There instead needs to be people with actual buying power in place before we can jump start the economy. This includes government employees and even, gasp, welfare and unemployment. That's what gets money straight into the economy. It's like socialism making capitalism stronger in some freaky sort of way.
It's also not unprecedented. It's exactly what made the engine of the middle class that drove the US into prosperity from the 40's to the 70's. We gave people the means to buy shit, and then capitalism took over from there. This worked, until some people started to plot and scheme in the 80's to tip the scales in their own favor. We now live in the aftermath of those schemes, which came to a head in 2008. So is the answer to give those same people the reigns, or to go back to what actually worked for us for so long?
So is unemployment benefit seriously considered some kind of horrible plague that's going to blow up the country? Seems baffling to me, it's a standard thing here
And yeah, you get layabouts who do nothing and just use the unemployment money to live, but it's not exactly going to let you "live it up" on the government's money, it would give you about 10,000 euros per year. No yachts for the unemployed, I'm afraid.
And yeah, you get layabouts who do nothing and just use the unemployment money to live, but it's not exactly going to let you "live it up" on the government's money, it would give you about 10,000 euros per year. No yachts for the unemployed, I'm afraid.
Best Birthday present I could have wished for.
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I'm 33 today.. Fuck.
And they'll probably raise the retirement age on those under 50 to help out Medicare and SS. Happy Birthday.
I thought Romney closed the gap with women to a fairly significant degree? In any event, THIS is why women shouldnt be allowed to vote! Hmm maybe we need to run a broad next time.
The_Darkest_Red
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Happy Birthday man, hope it's a good one.Best Birthday present I could have wished for.
I'm 33 today.. Fuck.
I want a Bjork birthday thread!!
ThoseDeafMutes
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A lot of GAF has this issue.
Real reason why the Republicans lost and will continue to lose until they fix their image and messaging:
Women outvoted men by 6% and there is an 11% gap favoring Democrats.
Actually, to expand on that, I'm always a little curious about the fact that there's a significant gap between the vote breakdown for married women and married men. Both groups might lean Republican, but married men appear to do so moreso.
It's the idea that there's couples out there - a not insignificant number - where the woman votes Democrat and the man votes Republican.
It's not that I'm expecting couples to vote in lockstep, as such; it's more curiosity about why the issues that lead the woman to vote Democrat - which, at least it's implied, are more women's rights/social ones - how the husband doesn't have empathy towards the woman's opinion in that. If someone I cared about felt strongly about an issue that I may not have previously considered, that'd drive me towards thinking further about how it affects others.
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