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United States Election: Nov 6, 2012 |OT| - Barack Obama Re-elected

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Carcetti

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I'm leaving too.
The big problem for conservatives is the lack of free, non-socialist countries in the world. We were the last remaining bastion of freedom. We can't just pack our bags and move to Canada. Plus they have bagged milk.

Somalia is waiting for you. The government there controls only a tiny sliver of the country, rest is up for grabs. It's like the Frontier part 2.
 

TheContact

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I'm leaving too.
The big problem for conservatives is the lack of free, non-socialist countries in the world. We were the last remaining bastion of freedom. We can't just pack our bags and move to Canada. Plus they have bagged milk.


No problem. I'm not bitter. I've suffered for 4 years under oppressive socialism so now I can understand your mindset better. It's the initial stage of giving up my freedom that was difficult.

I will seriously pay for your plane ticket to Somalia. PM me
 

verbum

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I'm leaving too.
The big problem for conservatives is the lack of free, non-socialist countries in the world. We were the last remaining bastion of freedom. We can't just pack our bags and move to Canada. Plus they have bagged milk.


No problem. I'm not bitter. I've suffered for 4 years under oppressive socialism so now I can understand your mindset better. It's the initial stage of giving up my freedom that was difficult.

Singapore? Less personal freedom, more financial freedom. High real estate prices though.
 

cdyhybrid

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I'm leaving too.
The big problem for conservatives is the lack of free, non-socialist countries in the world. We were the last remaining bastion of freedom. We can't just pack our bags and move to Canada. Plus they have bagged milk.


No problem. I'm not bitter. I've suffered for 4 years under oppressive socialism so now I can understand your mindset better. It's the initial stage of giving up my freedom that was difficult.

Peace out. You won't actually leave, though. You'll just whine and cry on the internet.
 

Cornbread78

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I must say, this is bad for the US.. No checks and balances in Washington at all. worst of all Scott Brown was not reelected so there's no independent voices at all. as independent voter I fear the forced bills, taxes and laws going forward. The middle class is going to become is very painful place to be...
 

verbum

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A very good article in the Washington Post about the strategies behind the Obama campaign.

In January 2011, nearly two years before Obama would face voters, top strategist David Axelrod, campaign manager Jim Messina and other advisers moved from the White House to Chicago to be insulated from what one campaign official described derisively as “Washington’s chattering classes.”

It was not an easy time in Washington. Republicans had just swept the midterm elections and retaken the House. The national unemployment rate was nearly two points higher than when Obama took office.

But what really worried the Chicago brain trust was money — the hundreds of millions they expected the Romney campaign and outside groups to spend on defeating the president.

The Karl Rove-led American Crossroads and affiliated Crossroads GPS, alone, said it would raise $300 million — a goal the group met, an official there said last week. Two-thirds of the funds were spent on the presidential race.

In 2011, something unexpected happened: nothing. The predicted onslaught was largely absent, giving the campaign in Chicago the time and resources to set up the organization a full year before the general election. Without having to respond to negative advertising, the campaign spent its time and money on preparation.

“One of the great mysteries was why they waited so long,” a third senior Obama campaign official said. “We were like the Brits during World War II, staring at the sky waiting for the bombs to fall. They never came.”

The selection of Rep. Paul Ryan, a conservative favorite from Wisconsin, would pose other challenges later. But when Ryan, 42, stepped off the USS Wisconsin as Romney’s running mate on Aug. 11, it surprised and delighted the Republican base.

Within the Obama campaign, advisers believed the Ryan pick was a mistake. Ryan was not well-known enough in his home state to help Romney win it, and his conservative positions on fiscal and social issue were likely to bother some independents.

“They were coming up to a convention that was essentially a hostile gathering for Romney,” the third senior Obama campaign official said. “He thought Ryan would help with that.”

Even inside Romney’s campaign, some advisers worried Ryan would be identified too closely with his proposal to turn Medicare into a voucher program, an idea that could alienate seniors critical in Florida.

Those concerns translated into disagreements between Ryan and the leadership in Boston. One week after his selection, Ryan, on his own, gave a speech about Medicare to residents of the Villages, a city-size retirement community in central Florida.

“We want this debate. We need this debate. We will win this debate,” he declared.

To the relief of Romney’s advisers, the debate never materialized. But they did not allow Ryan to set the agenda again.

As part of his role, Ryan had wanted to talk about poverty, traveling to inner cities and giving speeches that laid out the Republican vision for individual empowerment. But Romney advisers refused his request to do so, until mid-October, when he gave a speech on civil society in Cleveland.

As one adviser put it, “The issues that we really test well on and win on are not the war on poverty.”

Ryan did not complain publicly. But he later had reason to.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/the-strategy-that-paved-a-winning-path/2012/11/07/0a1201c8-2769-11e2-b2a0-ae18d6159439_story.html
 

entremet

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I must say, this is bad for the US.. No checks and balances in Washington at all. worst of all Scott Brown was not reelected so there's no independent voices at all. as independent voter I fear the forced bills, taxes and laws going forward. The middle class is going to become is very painful place to be...

You mean the same middle class that Obama was pushing for tax cuts for?
 

Wiseblade

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It all depends on their ability to swallow their pride. What they should do is ditch the Rove tactics, which may have been useful in the short term, but have only created a monster that cannot sustain itself and grows more and more embarrassing after every election cycle. They need to wake up and realize their base is dying off (senior citizens) and get back into the domain of actual conservatives (David Frum, Andrew Sullivan, and other so-called "RINO"s).
So you think on a purely economic standpoint, the Republicans would have performed better? some of the BBC coverage seemed to suggest that Obama's bailout of US motoring companies a few years ago won him states like Ohio and Michigan.
Well you can see the commentators already trying to get them to appeal to Latinos.There will be people in the party who'll fight tooth and nail to stop that from happening.

I say they go even crazier.
Then what happens? Those old nutjobs that make up the current republican base aren't going to live forever. Is the American conciousness moving further towards the right to support that?

You and I both know they're going to go even more extreme. I think Obama should just disregard them and do what he wants to do. He doesn't have to worry about winning another election again.
It would be pretty hilarious if Obama just came out and said "No more Mr nice President. Time to get stuff done!" But how much can he actually do if Republicans in the House of representatives go back to their stalling tactics again? Tne they get to turn around in 2016 and say "you voted for a Democrat president and nothing got done! Vote republican and we'll make quick decisions".

How about the Focus On The Family voting guides placed in the polling area in Virginia.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Virginia-voter-guide-screenshot.jpg[IMG]

[url]http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/06/religious-right-voter-guides-displayed-at-virginia-polling-place/[/url][/QUOTE]

Is that legal? Doesn't the US have laws about voting booths not having any text or imagery that may attempt to say someone's vote?
 
So im sitting on a train and i look over to my right. A middle aged woman is reading a chicago newspaper article titled something along the lines of re-elected but will still be more divided than ever etc and i realise how much i hate our media and its perpetuation of this division for ratings. The middle aged guy behind her strikes up a conversation after seeing the article and they get to talking. Both are agreeing that no matter what we need to work together and move forward, thats what is imperative.
Faith in humanity rising a bit.
Work on the other hand is going to be a saltmine.
 

bcl0328

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Hilary need to snatch up everyone that ran obama's campaign before someone else do

how much do campaigns really affect the election? ignorant question i know. i didn't watch any of the stuff and it didn't change my vote or anyone elses i know.
 
Oh some aren't even tying to hide their feelings anymore. These all look like 'next generation' conservative voters so the idiocy and racism will continue.

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http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/the-31-worst-people-on-the-planet
I'm pretty sure these kind of statements would fall under hate speech laws in Canada. It wouldn't be considered acceptable to say these kinds of things about your neighbour, never mind our Prime Minister. The posters would probably be subject to Criminal charges.

I'm leaving too.
The big problem for conservatives is the lack of free, non-socialist countries in the world. We were the last remaining bastion of freedom. We can't just pack our bags and move to Canada. Plus they have bagged milk.


No problem. I'm not bitter. I've suffered for 4 years under oppressive socialism so now I can understand your mindset better. It's the initial stage of giving up my freedom that was difficult.
Please, stay in the US. No really... I mean it... you wouldn't like it here... we're rational and we care about each other...

I can't wait to see Kevin O'Leary's dancing around the issue tonight on the Lang & O'Leary Exchange... (For our American cousins: Kevin O'Leary is kind of like our collective pet Republican business-type / television personality here in the Great White North. His catch phrase for everything is "It's all about the money!" and he was an ardent Romney supporter during the campaign. Amanda Lang is essentially his foil on the Exchange, and stands as a voice of reason against his hard-core Capitalist rants. It's all very amusing and we know he's generally harmless.)
 
how much do campaigns really affect the election? ignorant question i know. i didn't watch any of the stuff and it didn't change my vote or anyone elses i know.
Obama's ground game helped significantly in this election, it might even be the reason he was able to pull VA (and FL, assuming the lead holds).
 

Jintor

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I would suspect a huge amount. Most people aren't political junkies actively following news stories, so they have to be reached out to by active campaigners.
 

dark10x

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If I had a problem affording a plane ticket I wouldn't be a Republican. But thanks for the offer. I'm just not sure Somalia is right for me. I need to see a travel brochure.
So you really think you're going to see some sort of dramatic change in your life during the next four years? What exactly do you think Mitt Romney would have achieved that would have improved your quality of life?
 

jiggle

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how much do campaigns really affect the election? ignorant question i know. i didn't watch any of the stuff and it didn't change my vote or anyone elses i know.

a lot
rove did wonder for bush, and palin didn't come to mccain out of thin air
obama's team is just on a whole nother level
 
Electoral College system is one of logistics these days.

Electoral College system will not go away until both of the following happen:

1) Fully electronic voting

2) Federally managed elections

The reason is simple: in a close election, if it were only PV based, how would you initiate a recount? Where would you initiate it? It would be nearly impossible to manage and potentially expensive to every state because they would have to all execute a recount. It would be prohibitively expensive and time consuming. With an EC system, you can just initiate a recount in small number of states if necessary.

EC is fine. It makes a logistical nightmare scenario (close race, recounts) much easier to localize and manage and has worked well.
 

eyeless

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I'm leaving too.
The big problem for conservatives is the lack of free, non-socialist countries in the world. We were the last remaining bastion of freedom. We can't just pack our bags and move to Canada. Plus they have bagged milk.


No problem. I'm not bitter. I've suffered for 4 years under oppressive socialism so now I can understand your mindset better. It's the initial stage of giving up my freedom that was difficult.
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RPGCrazied

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I really don't care who won, but Obama seems the lesser of the 2 evils, in my opinion. And I just laugh at all those racist comments from people? Really? A skin color? *shakes head* Sadly I live in Texas, so I'm around them, even some of my family members are. Sad really. Like my Uncle says hes gonna flee the country if Obama wins. Can't wait to see that happen, I'm just going to laugh.
 
Reading Bulbo's posts are almost as funny as watching Fox News was last night.

So happy with the results and so glad this shit is over for a while. I'm political commercial'd out.
 

Macattk15

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I'm leaving too.
The big problem for conservatives is the lack of free, non-socialist countries in the world. We were the last remaining bastion of freedom. We can't just pack our bags and move to Canada. Plus they have bagged milk.


No problem. I'm not bitter. I've suffered for 4 years under oppressive socialism so now I can understand your mindset better. It's the initial stage of giving up my freedom that was difficult.

Lololololol.

Holy fuck. Don't let the door knob wedge itself into your asshole.
 
My definition of decency doesn't include debasing society over dumb opinions and hurt feelings

My definition of decency is not facilitating the abuse of an individual based on skin colour by someone with the intention to offend or cause distress.

But that's for a different thread I guess, and my own opinion is changing somewhat on that issue/implementation anyway.
 
The Red Scare sure did a number on people and the following generations.

I'm fucking SHOCKED (albeit, slightly not surprised if that works) at the amount of young, vapid racists up and coming in this country. Fucking disgusting.
 
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