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United States Election: Nov 6, 2012 |OT| - Barack Obama Re-elected

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Hawkian

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Tex117 said:
I think you are overstating the situation a little bit.
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*shrug*
The democrats gained two and republicans lost two seats in the senate.
More women in the Senate than ever before.
The first openly gay senator elected.
Same-sex marriage prevailed in all states it was on the ballot.
Marijuana decriminalized in two states
Everyone who decided to speak up about rape was shot down by voters
Scott Brown lost and Bill Nelson kept seats
Obama won every battleground but NC (and potentially FL); clear electoral victory as well as a majority of the popular vote
Karl Rove disputed the Ohio results from the FNC decision desk and had Megyn Kelly stumble to go talk to them on camera, despite clear and indisputable facts

And the unskewed polls guy has this to say:

"There were others, who predicted far more favorable outcomes for Obama, that were closer than I was in getting it right. Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia Center for Politics predicted Obama would win with 290 electoral votes. He was only wrong in predicting Romney would win the 42 electoral votes of Florida and Virginia. Nate Silver of the New York Times blog fivethirtyeight.com predicted all 50 states correctly and projected Obama to win the states exactly as he did. I congratulate them both on getting it right and Nate Silver for going 50 for 50 in getting all the states right in the presidential election.”

I'm just not sure if it was all that overstated.
 
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ElectricBlue187

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marrec said:
I have an unexplainable dislike of him. I'd much rather have Phil Plait on the ticket representing SCIENCE.
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I don't think he would be very useful in politics. He's an ideas guy and that would be great as a cabinet member but I'd rather have someone who gets Sagan and Tyson and listens to the ideas and has the political skills to make these things happen
 
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marrec

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Steve Youngblood said:
Is it because he's black? Marrec, I'm very disappointed in you.
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Hey, I'm not racist, I voted for a black friend.

ElectricBlue187 said:
I don't think he would be very useful in politics. He's an ideas guy and that would be great as a cabinet member but I'd rather have someone who gets Sagan and Tyson and listens to the ideas and has the political skills to make these things happen
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Well ya, none of the great pop-science guys from present or past would make good politicians (especially Sagan, as much as I love him) but I'm talking about a fantasy science ticket!
 
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Tex117

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Hawkian said:
*shrug*
The democrats gained two and republicans lost two seats in the senate.
More women in the Senate than ever before.
The first openly gay senator elected.
Same-sex marriage prevailed in all states it was on the ballot.
Marijuana decriminalized in two states
Everyone who decided to speak up about rape was shot down by voters
Scott Brown lost and Bill Nelson kept seats
Obama won every battleground but NC (and potentially FL); clear electoral victory as well as a majority of the popular vote
Karl Rove disputed the Ohio results from the FNC decision desk and had Megyn Kelly stumble to go talk to them on camera, despite clear and indisputable facts

And the unskewed polls guy has this to say:

"There were others, who predicted far more favorable outcomes for Obama, that were closer than I was in getting it right. Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia Center for Politics predicted Obama would win with 290 electoral votes. He was only wrong in predicting Romney would win the 42 electoral votes of Florida and Virginia. Nate Silver of the New York Times blog fivethirtyeight.com predicted all 50 states correctly and projected Obama to win the states exactly as he did. I congratulate them both on getting it right and Nate Silver for going 50 for 50 in getting all the states right in the presidential election.”

I'm just not sure if it was all that overstated.
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More women in the senate is only a Democrat cause? (Its not).
Openly gay senator is fine by me. Don't care.
Marijuana will be shot down by the Democratic federal government. Don't kid yourself. (I think this should be legalized, but thats not the point for right now).
Scott Brown losing is sad...A true moderate. We need more of them in Washington not less. (But it also happened in a deep blue state so, big whoop...should be blue).
Obama winning every battleground is a big one...and THE big one. No getting around that. Though keep in mind that of all the votes cast nationally Obama only won by around 3 million or so votes...hell even make it 5 million. Thats not ZOMG the Republicans are dead! In other words, its not like the Republicans will never recover (if they actually read the writing on the wall...more below on this).

Really, the big one and why its not DEVESTATING is that the Republicans still control the House. To me, that means there are parts of the Republican message that still resonates with voters. (Im going to hope its the fiscal convervatism and not the crazy social policy).

2008 was devestating, but just a mere two years later, the Republicans took back the house, and if they were not totally retarded with gawd awful candidites this time, may have had a better chance at the Senate.

That said, I think the Republicans have a golden opportunity right now...And I do mean GOLDEN. It is clear...apparent...obvious...that the demographics of this country has shifted and the Republicans are caught playing catch up. Its time to get with it. If they drop the social agenda crap, Re-brand fiscal conservatism as more "helping" and less hurting, and get the right people leading (which hasn't happened for awhile), while selling their soul to win the Latino vote (which is sitll up for grabs). They can do this all while holding onto the House. I think you will see a much more potent Republican party.

Will they read the writing? I have no idea. Maybe.

THus, I don't think the Democrat win was DEVESTATING at all. A clear win...but nothing really changed up there. Democrat senate, Democrat President, Republican House.
 
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Link

The Autumn Wind
Tex117 said:
Really, the big one and why its not DEVESTATING is that the Republicans still control the House. To me, that means there are parts of the Republican message that still resonates with voters. (Im going to hope its the fiscal convervatism and not the crazy social policy).
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Keep in mind that Republicans keeping so many seats in the House had as much to do with gerrymandering as with what voters wanted. Republicans need to stop fooling themselves that the party doesn't need a major overhaul, starting with the Tea Party.
 
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EmCeeGramr

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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/rove-obama-succeeded-by-suppressing-vote?ref=fpa

Karl Rove told Fox News' Megyn Kelly on Thursday that President Obama won re-election "by suppressing the vote" with negative campaign ads that "turned off" potential voters, citing a victory that carried a smaller percentage of the popular vote compared to that of the 2008 presidential race.
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*irony meter explodes*




It's astounding that not once do they even consider that Mitt Romney and their official party policy insulting half the country is what did them in.
 
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Flo_Evans

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Flo_Evans said:
lol.

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Here is my prediction. Only doubtful state is Florida, going to be down to how much bullshit they pull there.
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yep!
 
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Tex117

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Link said:
Keep in mind that Republicans keeping so many seats in the House had as much to do with gerrymandering as with what voters wanted. Republicans need to stop fooling themselves that the party doesn't need a major overhaul, starting with the Tea Party.
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Could not agree more. Hence the whole paragraph in my post talking about it.

Its a real opportunity in my opinion. A chance to re-invent, a change to really be a party of FISCAL conservatism going forward (and dropping this whole...take the country BACK...back from who? Other Americans?). And they can do this while still having a seat at the table.

It needs to start with the SOCIAL far right, then to the uncompromising BS of the Tea Party (which there is probably some overlap there, but you get my point).

Will the heed this caution? I don't know.
 
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Black Republican

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officially 332 EV's for obama now because of Florida?

Wow, pulled that off with a crappy economy and far right tea party uprising.

For the history books for sure. Only 33 EV's short compared to 2008
 
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J.W.Crazy

Member
sparky2112 said:
The Federal Election Commission just needs to grab the National Guard and take Florida over. What a fuckin' disgrace...
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As a Floridian I hate the place much more than any outsider could but this situation would be happening in every other heavily populated state if they had such a diverse and evenly divided pool of voters. It has less to do with how poorly run things are and more with how close the results are. California and Texas don't have these problems because the vote is split in clear favor of one side. Can you imagine a California recount?
 
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Kusagari

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J.W.Crazy said:
As a Floridian I hate the place much more than any outsider could but this situation would be happening in every other heavily populated state if they had such a diverse and evenly divided pool of voters. It has less to do with how poorly run things are and more with how close the results are. California and Texas don't have these problems because the vote is split in clear favor of one side. Can you imagine a California recount?
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California and Texas don't have their governor trying to make it impossible to vote.
 
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J.W.Crazy

Member
Kusagari said:
California and Texas don't have their governor trying to make it impossible to vote.
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They would if it was even remotely possible to swing the vote one way or the other. You can only do so much damage. California could afford to lose 1 million Democrats and still be a blue state by over a million votes. Texas could lose that many Republicans and scrape by as a red state with a few hundred thousand votes.
 
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EmCeeGramr

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Adviser: Romney "shellshocked" by loss


Mitt Romney's campaign got its first hint something was wrong on the afternoon of Election Day, when state campaign workers on the ground began reporting huge turnout in areas favorable to President Obama: northeastern Ohio, northern Virginia, central Florida and Miami-Dade.

Then came the early exit polls that also were favorable to the president.

But it wasn't until the polls closed that concern turned into alarm. They expected North Carolina to be called early. It wasn't. They expected Pennsylvania to be up in the air all night; it went early for the President.

After Ohio went for Mr. Obama, it was over, but senior advisers say no one could process it.

"We went into the evening confident we had a good path to victory," said one senior adviser. "I don't think there was one person who saw this coming."

They just couldn't believe they had been so wrong. And maybe they weren't: There was Karl Rove on Fox saying Ohio wasn't settled, so campaign aides decided to wait. They didn't want to have to withdraw their concession, like Al Gore did in 2000, and they thought maybe the suburbs of Columbus and Cincinnati, which hadn't been reported, could make a difference.
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Romney was stoic as he talked to the president, an aide said, but his wife Ann cried. Running mate Paul Ryan seemed genuinely shocked, the adviser said. Ryan's wife Janna also was shaken and cried softly.

"There's nothing worse than when you think you're going to win, and you don't," said another adviser. "It was like a sucker punch."

Their emotion was visible on their faces when they walked on stage after Romney finished his remarks, which Romney had hastily composed, knowing he had to say something.

Both wives looked stricken, and Ryan himself seemed grim. They all were thrust on that stage without understanding what had just happened.

"He was shellshocked," one adviser said of Romney.

Romney and his campaign had gone into the evening confident they had a good path to victory, for emotional and intellectual reasons. The huge and enthusiastic crowds in swing state after swing state in recent weeks - not only for Romney but also for Paul Ryan - bolstered what they believed intellectually: that Obama would not get the kind of turnout he had in 2008.

They thought intensity and enthusiasm were on their side this time - poll after poll showed Republicans were more motivated to vote than Democrats - and that would translate into votes for Romney.
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As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm. They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney. That was a grave miscalculation, as they would see on election night.

Those assumptions drove their campaign strategy: their internal polling showed them leading in key states, so they decided to make a play for a broad victory: go to places like Pennsylvania while also playing it safe in the last two weeks.
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