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United States Election: Nov 6, 2012 |OT| - Barack Obama Re-elected

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Out of curiosity, did Obama write a concession speech in case he lost? Is it an unspoken gesture of formality that presidential candidates and incumbents draft 2 separate speeches reflecting either outcomes of an election that they're involved in?

Also, what did Romney's alleged transition team consist of? Bush II holdovers?

What are the chances that had Romney won that he would have expanded the office of faith based initiatives? With the changing demographics and an emergent youth factor that is now becoming more accepting to gay rights, as well as an indifference to religion, is there a serious chance that the Christian right will eventually be relegated to the dustbin of history, or at the very least be contained as nuisances like the Westboro Baptist Church?
 
Usually yes. Pretty incredible that he didn't have something in advance.


Is it a matter of unspoken formality that a candidate write 2 separate speeches reflecting either outcomes of an election that they're involved in?
 
Amazing. This is what happens when you live in a bubble floating around inside an echo chamber.

I don't know what the fuck this country would look like if we actually had a president that believed in some black vs. white (pun intended) conspiracy against the nation by half its populance.
 
The no concession speech thing is just stunning to me. Don't you always at least have a speech written, no matter how sure of your chances? Talk about hubris.
It is amazing. It's not like he has to write it himself, he a whole team of writers. All he as to do was have 1 make a concession speech or even a loose frame of one. He felt entitled to win.
 

Vesper73

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Damn, no blue whatsoever in Utah, and also West Virginia I think.

Hey, I did what I could, but one vote wasn't enough to push my county to blue! <- Utah county

You should have seen me, surrounded by stroller moms with their brood spilling out! And if that wasn't enough, their gaggle of children were sneezing, crying, and climbing all over everything, whilst their mothers gabbed on obliviously with other women from their wards. Now THAT is voter suppression! :)
 

GG-Duo

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From @rupertmurdoch
Election comment. Republicans have to ignore 5 per cent nativists, embrace hispanics, welcome best Asian and European graduates.

...So I predict that we'll see more Asians, African-Americans, and Latinos on Fox News in the coming years.


btw, are there any grassroots movements that can pressure the GOP to be more moderate? Because America, your problem isn't just about winning the Republicans, it's also about winning over the loud, crazy rhetoric.
 
Dunno if this is true or not (or if it has been posted before; apologies if it was):

Apparently, Romney already had a victory website made.

Some shots:

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Such hubris and incompetence surrounding Romney's team.

These guys must never be allowed to work again. Ever. Including Romney.

I don't really blame them in particular, this is what the conservative movement has become, they've invented their own world and intend the rest of us to live in it.
 

Salazar

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I think she was trying to go for the prime minister of New Zealand, recently in the news for calling something "gay" and then saying "yo gay doesn't mean gay it means gay, duh"

Probably the conservative, emphatically Catholic leader of the opposition in Australia.

Who is an asshole.

The Prime Minister who preceded the current one (deposed in a hilarious caucus knifing) was a pretty conspicuously religious bloke, but in an unnervingly placid kind of way.
 

Fox Mulder

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Such hubris and incompetence surrounding Romney's team.

These guys must never be allowed to work again. Ever. Including Romney.

They were in a bubble where Rush, Beck, Hannity, Fox News, and other conservative radio hosts were all saying how huge the blowout was going to be, especially after the 2010 elections. The crowds Romney was drawing at events were supposedly sooo huge too.

It shows how out of touch they are. I don't blame them for getting used to the smell of their own farts.
 

Rubenov

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GAF, looking at CNN they still haven't called Florida for Obama. Why? With over a 50,000-vote lead it should be insurmountable... I want it to be official dammit.
 
GAF, looking at CNN they still haven't called Florida for Obama. Why? With over a 50,000-vote lead it should be insurmountable... I want it to be official dammit.

It's too close to call...for CNN. Clearly, Republicans believed the fantasy they created for themselves. An interesting question: does CNN believe their own bullshit?
 

massoluk

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GAF, looking at CNN they still haven't called Florida for Obama. Why? With over a 50,000-vote lead it should be insurmountable... I want it to be official dammit.

If I'm not mistaken, someone specifically said not until Saturday at least. Not all ballots in yet.
 

lednerg

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Here's a beautiful piece of writing from David Simon (The Wire, Treme)

Barack Obama And The Death Of Normal

Nov 07

I was on an airplane last night as the election was decided. As the plane landed after midnight on the East Coast, I confess that my hand was shaking as I turned on my phone for the news. I did not want to see dishonesty and divisiveness and raw political hackery rewarded. It is hard enough for anyone to actually address the problems, to move this country forward, to make the intransigent American ruling class yield even a yard of the past to the inevitable future. But going backwards last night would have been devastating. I read the returns in silent elation; a business trip had me traveling in business class and the gnashing of corporate teeth all around precluded a full-throated huzzah on my part. I abhor a gloat.

But the country is changing. And this may be the last election in which anyone but a fool tries to play &#8212; on a national level, at least &#8212; the cards of racial exclusion, of immigrant fear, of the patronization of women and hegemony over their bodies, of self-righteous discrimination against homosexuals. Some in the Republican party and among the teabagged fringe will continue to play such losing hands for some time to come; this shit worked well in its day and distracted many from addressing any of our essential national issues. But again, if they play that weak-ass game past this point, they are fools.

America is different now, more so with every election cycle. Ronald Reagan won his mandate in an America in which 89 percent of the voters were white. That number is down to 72 percent and falling. Fifty thousand new Latino citizens achieve the voting age every month. America will soon belong to the men and women &#8212; white and black and Latino and Asian, Christian and Jew and Muslim and atheist, gay and straight &#8212; who can walk into a room and accept with real comfort the sensation that they are in a world of certain difference, that there are no real majorities, only pluralities and coalitions. The America in which it was otherwise is dying, thank god, and those who relied on entitlement and division to command power will either be obliged to accept the changes, or retreat to the gated communities from which they wish to wax nostalgic and brood on political irrelevance.

You want to lead in America? Find a way to be entirely utilitarian &#8212; to address the most problems on behalf of the most possible citizens. That works. That matters. Last night, it mattered just enough to overcome the calcified political calculations of men who think that 47 percent will vote against them because they are victims, or that 53 percent are with them because the rest of us vote only from self-interest and without regard for the republic as a whole. It was a closer contest than common sense and the spirit of a truly great nation should dictate. But unless these white guys who have peddled &#8220;normal&#8221; for so long &#8212; normal as in racial majority, normal as in religious majority, normal as in sexual orientation &#8212; unless they have a hard moment of self-reflection and self-awareness, well, it will not be this close again.

Eighty years ago, the Democratic party became a national utilitarian enterprise, molding the immigrant waves of Irish and Italian and Jew into a voting bloc that stunned the political opposition and transformed American society, creating the world&#8217;s greatest economic engine in the form of a consumer class with vast discretionary income. The New Deal asserted for American progress &#8212; shaping and influencing administrations both Democratic and Republican &#8212; for three decades before running aground on the shoals of the civil rights movement, resulting racial fears and resentments, and, of course, the Southern strategy of political cynics.

Well, a new voting bloc as formidable as the New Deal coalition certainly isn&#8217;t yet complete, and the political results are still fitful. To be sure, venality has transformed the upper house of our national legislature into a paralytic failure, with a new standard of a filibuster-proof supermajority now the norm. The lower house of that legislature reflects less of any national consensus than it does the absurdity of post-census gerrymandering. Never mind Obama. If Romney had won this election, our government would be just as broken. It is the legislative branch that remains an epic systems failure.

For lost and fretful white men, unwilling to accept the terms of a new America, Congress is the last barricade against practical and inevitable change. But there, too, the demographic inevitabilities are all in play. All the gerrymandering in this world won&#8217;t make those other Americans, those different Americans, go away. And the tyranny of minority and lack of compromise that you employ to thwart progress now will likely breed an equal contempt when the demographics do indeed provide supermajorities.

Hard times are still to come for all of us. Rear guard actions will be fought at every political crossroad. But make no mistake: Change is a motherfucker when you run from it. And right now, the conservative movement in America is fleeing from dramatic change that is certain and immutable. A man of color is president for the second time, and this happened despite a struggling economic climate and a national spirit of general discontent. He has been returned to office over the specific objections of the mass of white men. He has instead been re-elected by women, by people of color, by homosexuals, by people of varying religions or no religion whatsoever. Behold the New Jerusalem. Not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with being a white man, of course. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with being anything. That&#8217;s the point.

This election marks a moment in which the racial and social hierarchy of America is upended forever. No longer will it mean more politically to be a white male than to be anything else. Evolve, or don&#8217;t. Swallow your resentments, or don&#8217;t. But the votes are going to be counted, more of them with each election. Arizona will soon be in play. And in a few cycles, even Texas. And those wishing to hold national office in these United States will find it increasingly useless to argue for normal, to attempt to play one minority against each other, to turn pluralities against the feared &#8220;other&#8221; of gays, or blacks, or immigrants, or, incredibly in this election cycle, our very wives and lovers and daughters, fellow citizens who demand to control their own bodies.

Regardless of what happens with his second term, Barack Obama&#8217;s great victory has already been won: We are all the other now, in some sense. Special interests? That term has no more meaning in the New America. We are all &#8212; all of us, every last American, even the whitest of white guys &#8212; special interests. And now, normal isn&#8217;t white or straight or Christian. There is no normal. That word, too, means less with every moment. And those who continue to argue for such retrograde notions as a political reality will become less germane and more ridiculous with every passing year.

Lots of waste and shouting and ignorance still to come, of course. But last night was a milestone.
 
Yeah, but on the other hand I just read Charles Krauthammer saying that all they have to do is offer amnesty and they'll win those fickle Latinos and completely solve the problem.
 

Newt Gingrich, who also ran for President, introduced an angle that I &#8211; and presumably every American of sound mind &#8211; had never considered before. Speaking at a Texas church in March, 2011, Gingrich brought up his grandchildren to the audience, and then said, &#8220;I am convinced that if we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America, by the time they're my age they will be in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists and with no understanding of what it once meant to be an American.&#8221;

I&#8217;ll admit: I had never considered the threat of secular, atheist, radical Islamists before. But then, that&#8217;s why Newt Gingrich was running for president and I wasn&#8217;t. He sees things the rest of us don&#8217;t. He even has the ability to see things that don&#8217;t actually exist.

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But the ugliest episode of Republican-instigated attacks on the American Muslim community &#8211; at least so far &#8211; occurred when a Muslim organization known as the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) held a fundraiser in Orange County in March of 2011. The fundraiser was being held to raise money for Hamas and Hezbollah&#8230;no, wait, they were raising money for homeless and women&#8217;s shelters in the area. It&#8217;s so easy to get those confused.​

LMAO, this is a great piece.
 

LuchaShaq

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From the CBS news article here


2. Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.

I think this is what so much of the GOP does not recognize. The hard swing to the right, in particular the obsession with Muslim/birther/communist/anti intellectual nonsense and the renewed and stronger bible thumping pushed away MILLIONS of young people who may have very conservative economic beliefs but have zero patience for what I just mentioned. Many of those young people would have loved to vote Obama out, yet they were terrified of the current GOP holding the presidency.
 

jmdajr

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From the CBS news article here




I think this is what so much of the GOP does not recognize. The hard swing to the right, in particular the obsession with Muslim/birther/communist/anti intellectual nonsense and the renewed and stronger bible thumping pushed away MILLIONS of young people who may have very conservative economic beliefs but have zero patience for what I just mentioned. Many of those young people would have loved to vote Obama out, yet they were terrified of the current GOP holding the presidency.

I'm all for fiscal responsibility but absolutely, intolerance is taking the hammer. GOOD.
 

Phreaker

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I'm all for fiscal responsibility but absolutely, intolerance is taking the hammer. GOOD.

I think that is how the majority of American's feel. I wish the Dems were more fiscally conservative, but I do not vote GOP because they have been hijacked by the crazies. I am pro-choice, pro-equal rights for all, and pro-separation of church and state.
 

Veezy

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I think that is how the majority of American's feel. I wish the Dems were more fiscally conservative, but I do not vote GOP because they have been hijacked by the crazies. I am pro-choice, pro-equal rights for all, and pro-separation of church and state.

The other issue is that Democrats are, honestly, more about fiscal responsibility if you look at the past few decades compared to the GOP. Seriously, that's not some rah rah I love my part hyperbole, the GOP sucks at looking at what the long term outcomes of their decisions are. Honestly, there's just not a good reason to vote for those people. At all. Nothing they say makes sense, no matter what way you cut it. Fuck me, Obama is a fiscal president if you compare him debt wise to Bush!

I believe what we'll see is the Dem party actually split into two new parties over the years. One fiscal, one more socialist with less focus on social issues. As the baby boomers get older and middle class/young voters age with more left leanings, the GOP is just not going to have any relevance.
 

nib95

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I think that is how the majority of American's feel. I wish the Dems were more fiscally conservative, but I do not vote GOP because they have been hijacked by the crazies. I am pro-choice, pro-equal rights for all, and pro-separation of church and state.

So...how are the Republicans more fiscally conservative? By my count they're less so, what with less taxes across the board (really only the top margins), more (not less loopholes for havens and investments abroad), more military spending and all the rest.
 
So...how are the Republicans more fiscally conservative? By my count they're less so, what with less taxes across the board (really only the top margins), more (not less loopholes for havens and investments abroad), more military spending and all the rest.

This.
 

RDreamer

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So...how are the Republicans more fiscally conservative? By my count they're less so, what with less taxes across the board (really only the top margins), more (not less loopholes for havens and investments abroad), more military spending and all the rest.

Along with that you can see the results of the two parties. Look at Clinton and what he did vs Bush and what he did. You cannot say that the republican party is a fiscally conservative party.

I'm going to keep repeating this these next few days, weeks, and years. In this country we do not have a liberal and a conservative party anymore. We have one party that's a pretty big tent and holds some liberals but by and large is practical and elects practical candidates who mostly sit on the center and even sometimes go to the center-right (Both Clinton and Obama are pretty well center to center right). The other party is not a conservative party. It's not a party of conservative solutions. Full stop. It's not. It's a party of ideologues whose ideology has its roots in the southern plantation elites and their politics. It's a party that believes to everyone's detriment in a concept of full on individualism that only makes sense if you have white privilege and don't realize it.

People still hang on to stereotypes built up by the conservative media machine that the democratic party is really liberal and they're the conservatives. That's wrong. Just stop believing it. The sooner we get people to sickeningly join up with the democratic party, and the dems kick the republicans asses for a few years the sooner the republicans will die off as a party and as a gross ideology that has no real place in the modern day. And the sooner that happens the sooner the Democratic party can split into two actual parties on the center left and center right, so we can have two real solutions to our real problems.
 

nib95

Banned
Along with that you can see the results of the two parties. Look at Clinton and what he did vs Bush and what he did. You cannot say that the republican party is a fiscally conservative party.

I'm going to keep repeating this these next few days, weeks, and years. In this country we do not have a liberal and a conservative party anymore. We have one party that's a pretty big tent and holds some liberals but by and large is practical and elects practical candidates who mostly sit on the center and even sometimes go to the center-right (Both Clinton and Obama are pretty well center to center right). The other party is not a conservative party. It's not a party of conservative solutions. Full stop. It's not. It's a party of ideologues whose ideology has its roots in the southern plantation elites and their politics. It's a party that believes to everyone's detriment in a concept of full on individualism that only makes sense if you have white privilege and don't realize it.

People still hang on to stereotypes built up by the conservative media machine that the democratic party is really liberal and they're the conservatives. That's wrong. Just stop believing it. The sooner we get people to sickeningly join up with the democratic party, and the dems kick the republicans asses for a few years the sooner the republicans will die off as a party and as a gross ideology that has no real place in the modern day. And the sooner that happens the sooner the Democratic party can split into two actual parties on the center left and center right, so we can have two real solutions to our real problems.

Agreed. I'm British, and this notion that Republicans are fiscally conservative is laughable. generally they drum up the most debt/deficit, whilst the Democrats reduce or balance it. Clinton did just that, and Obama's spending is actually less than most in recent decades, not more. People just don't realise because factoring in growth of spending and inflation, it still went up instead of down on face value.




Lol. Hilarious. All the problems started with Obama. Bush never existed apparently. And Clinton didn't either (i.e never balanced the budget, increased growth, economy, lowered unemployment etc).

Just know this, if ever a civil war did break out in the US, the entire international community would support the Democrats.
 

Curufinwe

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So...how are the Republicans more fiscally conservative? By my count they're less so, what with less taxes across the board (really only the top margins), more (not less loopholes for havens and investments abroad), more military spending and all the rest.

They're not.

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It's not even the rhetoric, it's the editing and music. It makes it sound like Bane, the Decepticons, and whoever we're shooting this year in Call of Duty are teaming up to blow up the world.
 

Tex117

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From the CBS news article here




I think this is what so much of the GOP does not recognize. The hard swing to the right, in particular the obsession with Muslim/birther/communist/anti intellectual nonsense and the renewed and stronger bible thumping pushed away MILLIONS of young people who may have very conservative economic beliefs but have zero patience for what I just mentioned. Many of those young people would have loved to vote Obama out, yet they were terrified of the current GOP holding the presidency.

I agree with this.

IMO, fiscal conservatism still has a place at the table in the country, but its the rest of this shit....It just makes it too hard to vote Republican.
 
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