TacticalFox88
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I seriously hope Bill convinces her to run. The GOP would be roflstomped so hard.
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United States Election: Nov 6, 2012 |OT| - Barack Obama Re-elected
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I seriously hope Bill convinces her to run. The GOP would be roflstomped so hard.
ElectricBlue187
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I think you'll find republicans rather nostalgic for the Bush years after 8 years of Obama
Let them run on that nostalgia and see if America agrees.
this right here as a "latino" I'd be hard pressed to vote for him. I'm sure he will get the cuban vote but as far as the rest of "latinos" I doubt it. His stance on the dream act and immigration won't help. I actually find his immigration stance pretty funny. I wonder if he would be in favor of doing something about the wet foot dry foot policy or if he's just interested in the southern border
He's generally moderate. Abortion only in case of rape, incest, etc. He's against gay marriage but had a rather poignant statement earlier this year where he said we need to hold all families, whether gay or straight, up as models for society if they're taking care of their children.
But the main thing is that he's completely for immigration reform and the dream act. He is by far the biggest supporter on the Republican side of anything dealing with Hispanic issues. He truly does get them to put it bluntly, and that's why Hispanics in Florida love him.
Angelus Errare
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If Hilary ran I honestly expect a similar turn out for her compared to Obama. I'd imagine minorities and women especially supporting her. GOP would simply lose their shit collectively. I can only imagine all the dog whistling that will go on at Fox/GOP representatives in general.
ElectricBlue187
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This strikes me as a "Obama isn't a real black man" thing. We know how that worked.
So ORCA really was a beached whale. Did they not know how to stress test this shit weeks before so they don't run into this kind of problem?
Escape Goat
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Looks like Obama won Florida by a thin margin but not thin enough to warrant a recount.
Very pleased to hear this.
Rubio lost every group of Hispanics in Florida in 2010 except Cubans.
That whole ORCA thing is just insane. I mean, how the hell do you fuck that up so badly?
"Hey, lets spend tons of money building a super secret web app that we'll just roll out on election day and it's totally gonna work dudes!"
Cut to election day, nothing works, all volunteers are in the dark. Total epic failure.
"Hey, lets spend tons of money building a super secret web app that we'll just roll out on election day and it's totally gonna work dudes!"
Cut to election day, nothing works, all volunteers are in the dark. Total epic failure.
Byakuya769
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Sounds remarkably similar to his older brother.
just because he's "latino" doesn't mean squat or ensure he's going to get there/our vote in droves. Theres quite a difference in "latino" cultures around the US and outside of cubans he hasn't won anyone over. His immigration and dream act stance reflect that.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The opposing democratic candidate will be more pro immigration than whatever extremist position Rubio gets backed into during the primaries.
He has all of those stances now. Look at what Romney did as Governor of Massachusetts (Universal Health Care, supported women's rights to abortion, state ban on assault rifles, etc.) that he later did complete 180s on just to appease the far right side of the GOP. If Jeb ran in 2016, and there isn't a hard shift to center in the Republican Party in the interim, than I don't think he can get past the primaries without changing his tune on those particular issues. Especially if they keep barking up the rape/abortion tree. That's a fight they just will not ever win, and they need to drop it if they have any hopes of winning.
Journeywalker
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On a cynical note: next RNC chairman to be Latino? They got Michael Steel (i.e bizarro Obama) after 2008. Republicans are all about token gestures (i.e "We can't be racist, we have an African-American National Committee Chairman!").
On a less cynical note: It was good policy and a shrewd political move to suspend deportations by executive order, but it was kind of a dick move to Marco Rubio. I don't know about Marco Rubio's personality. Would he be the kind of person that would welcome support from the President (behind closed doors or even publicly) to lead Republicans on this issue?
Political operatives (Democrats especially) probably won't like giving the opposite side a chance to score points, but I think setting the tone for the second term is pretty important.
On a less cynical note: It was good policy and a shrewd political move to suspend deportations by executive order, but it was kind of a dick move to Marco Rubio. I don't know about Marco Rubio's personality. Would he be the kind of person that would welcome support from the President (behind closed doors or even publicly) to lead Republicans on this issue?
Political operatives (Democrats especially) probably won't like giving the opposite side a chance to score points, but I think setting the tone for the second term is pretty important.
rohlfinator
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I wonder if there will be less of a hard swing to the right during the 2016 Primaries. Conservative pundits are advocating a lot of doubling down on their values, but I could see the politicians themselves being more savvy.
That depends on what the public will let them get away with, if the tea party primaries them then they sure as hell won't.
I personally hope the GOP keeps going even further right so far right they fall off the map and become irrelevant. This isn't the 40's anymore where dem coloreds and other minorities know their place behind the white man. They can either adapt and realize its a new day in America and get with the program or go they and their dinosaur followers can happily go extinct. Some people have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern age and the GOP over the past few years have shown they have to be.
I don't know, that doesn't sound that moderate to me, with the exception of his immigration views. I have heard his name a lot but really don't know anything about him. Do you guys with better knowledge of him think that he could be a viable Republican candidate in 2016? Would he really be a moderate Republican that can actually rival a solid Dem candidate?
I preferred Hilary to Obama in the primaries before 2008 and was pretty surprised by how many Democrats just didn't like her. Do you really think that has changed enough?
I would guess most of the GOP would rather not take the tea party line, but they know they control the party so will toe the line to stay in power. anything else right now would be political suscide.
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If they do, they might as well kiss the Latino vote goodbye forever.
SouthernDragon
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Rubio attracting Latinos nationwide... hahaha
No, seriously, if the GOP tries to use Rubio that way they'll get crushed. He's Latino, sure, but he likely self-identifies as a Cuban first and foremost.
No, seriously, if the GOP tries to use Rubio that way they'll get crushed. He's Latino, sure, but he likely self-identifies as a Cuban first and foremost.
Ignatz Mouse
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She's been a phenomenal Secretary of State. And a lot of reasons Dems I knew didn't like her were the Bill Baggage might make her hard to elect (and that's certainly turned around with time) and that she would be too moderate (basically, like Obama).
Seriously, her star has risen bigtime in th elast 4 years and the negatives have diminished.
Escape Goat
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Supporters of U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) listen to the news that Barack Obama was projected to defeat Mitt Romney in Ohio during a rally for Bachmann in Bloomington, Minn., on Tuesday, Nov. 6
A supporter of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney sits alone on the floor at Romney’s headquarters in Boston on Tuesday, Nov. 6.
JoAnn Hell, of Minneapolis, celebrates an early return from Virginia for Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney, left photo, and then reacts for a early projection for President Obama in Pennsylvania, right photo, at the Minnesota Republican election night headquarters, Tuesday, Nov. 6, in Bloomington, Minn
A supporter of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney sits alone on the floor at Romney’s headquarters in Boston on Tuesday, Nov. 6.
JoAnn Hell, of Minneapolis, celebrates an early return from Virginia for Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney, left photo, and then reacts for a early projection for President Obama in Pennsylvania, right photo, at the Minnesota Republican election night headquarters, Tuesday, Nov. 6, in Bloomington, Minn
Stumpokapow
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+ A woman
+ A great public servant with a long career
+ Generally considered to have an excellent work ethic and productive drive, even among career politicians
+ Some policy gravitas
+ Bill Clinton
New: + An excellent secretary of state
New: + Barack Obama's endorsement--I'm reasonably confident that, barring Joe Biden also seeking the presidency, Barack would endorse her in the primaries.
- Not a transformative candidate (might not apply in 2016 if there are no other wildcards)
- Age; not a factor for the timing of 2016-2020, but not over the moon at the prospect of her age by the end of the second term
- DLC Democrat, although I get the feeling she's drifted left over the last 4 years
- I think what's perceived to be a bit of a harsh personal manner--and some of this may be bleed from the gender issue where borderline sexism is coming through
- Hangovers of any Democrats who felt frustrated with the end of the Clinton administration (will not apply in 2016, since Bill has been largely rehabilitated and time has dulled a lot of what would have been leftover pain)
polyh3dron
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I love it how Republicans are only liberal on social issues that directly affect them. Rubio with DREAM, Cheney with gay marriage. These selfish fucks.
Isn't it SOP for a sitting president not to endorse anyone during the primary? Lest they undermine a different candidate in the general.
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rohlfinator
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I think there's definitely a risk that they get into another arms race of crazy, but I could imagine the higher-ups in the party trying to stifle that kind of thing. Sort of like how they kind of shunned Ron Paul in this go-around, I could see them trying their hardest to marginalize anyone who got too wild with their immigration stances.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
It's not typical, no, but there's also a paucity of data.
- Gore didn't want Clinton's endorsement.
- Reagan didn't endorse until the general.
- Johnson didn't endorse Humphrey until the general, but Humphrey also skipped the bulk of the primaries and until RFK was shot he didn't have a chance.
- Eisenhower didn't endorse Nixon at all, because the two men weren't close.
- Roosevelt was the main driver of Taft running at all, I can't recall when or if he formally endorsed, but again he was the one that got Taft to run and I know he made public statements to the effect that he supported Taft.
That's the last hundred years.
The Awesomest
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Wait, Cheney is gay?!
Deified Data
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How does Rubio personally benefit from DREAM?
Atramental
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His daughter is.
His daughter Mary.
As a Delaware Resident for the last 6 years, and the spouse of a life-long Delaware native, I can confirm that the whole mouth -> brain disconnect Biden exhibits sometimes was no where near as severe during his term as VP as it could have been. But we love him for it. It'd get him into so much awesome trouble though. Biden as President = Shenanigans. The good-hearted, cheeky kind... not the evil kind.
Razgriz-Specter
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As someone who sides slightly Republican sometimes(voted McCain) i'd vote for her over any other candidate and would have even taken her over McCain in 08.
that's a pretty good assessment. i think obama voters, like me, who didn't vote for hillary in the primaries no longer care about the 2008 primaries, especially since the two worked together under the same administration, and after bill really went out there and then some for obama in this election.
she seems like much more of a shoe-in than anyone at this point, and a lot can change in four years. all i want is for her to actually want it this time. she seemed to not care about the presidency until march of 2008 when she was suddenly losing the primaries. maybe if she sees people are excited about her running, even those who didn't vote for her last time, she'd feel the urge to run again.
and i don't think biden will run in 2016. unfortunately for him, he'd be too old- older than mccain was, and probably seen as too much of a goofball. if he was ten years younger, he'd probably have a really good shot at it, though. hillary would be old too, but younger than reagan was when he took office. plus, women have a tendency to live longer than men.
The fact they ultimately viciously turned against each other could plausibly be a reason it's not very common to endorse a candidate now that I think about it. Though I can imagine most politicians don't have Teddy Roosevelt's temperament and would probably have been cooler about disagreements on how to do things.
My big thing against Hillary Clinton in 2008 was that I didn't want the president seat to be juggled by two families, which would've been even worse if in a hypothetical situation Jeb Bush became president after her. Obama broke that, so I don't care about that point now, and the more minor issue (stance on video game violence) is largely a moot point I suspect thanks to the Supreme Court, and it seems to have died down as an issue people get riled up about anyway, at least when it's a legislation topic.
teruterubozu
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Politician Hillary is fine, but we forget that Campaign Hillary can be extremely divisive and even annoying at times. I don't know if she has the moxie to take all that brutality again. Obama would have to be fully involved - after all it was him that stripped her soul.
teruterubozu
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edit: sorry, dp
that was back in the day where there weren't term limits on presidencies.
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