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[Hitokage]

Yes it is. You're basically making a representation that he's flip flopped on abortion by stating at one time that he values the right for a woman to choose and then contrasting it by saying he wants to overturn Roe v Wade.

They're not mutually exclusive political positions. To say that he's flip flopped on abortion is to assert a baseless assumption into the narrative.

Oh, so he values it, just not very much.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

hm, fuck, I think I'm going back to sleep. 6:30 am and I can't figure out what to do.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Yes it is. You're basically making a representation that he's flip flopped on abortion by stating at one time that he values the right for a woman to choose and then contrasting it by saying he wants to overturn Roe v Wade.

They're not mutually exclusive political positions. To say that he's flip flopped on abortion is to assert a baseless assumption into the narrative.

its the first one:
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/values
"Mitt believes that life begins at conception and wishes that the laws of our nation reflected that view. But while the nation remains so divided, he believes that the right next step is for the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade "

back in the day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeQGObiGGqY
"I sustain and support roe v. wade"

 

[Winnie the Pimp]

Wow, the media in Europe here REALLY makes it sound like this is the closest election EVER or something, i thought Obama had this in the bag but maybe not. They're even speculating about how the supreme court would have to decide in the end or whatever lol

Tomorrow we will know for sure either way...

 

[Haunted]

I never saw a politician changing his position as an overly negative thing. It's never a bad idea to better yourself and come around to another way of thinking. Only fools stick to their opinion even after they've been proven wrong. Implying a lack of integrity because someone changed their opinion is laughable.

It's among the least convincing argument someone can pull out against a politician in my eyes, even a scumbag like Romney.

Wow, the media in Europe here REALLY makes it sound like this is the closest election EVER or something, i thought Obama had this in the bag but maybe not. They're even speculating about how the supreme court would have to decide in the end or whatever lol

Tomorrow we will know for sure either way...

The media here has no fucking clue what they're talking about. I'm pretty much baffled at what I'm hearing on the news. Then again, it's only of passing interest to most, so they're not bothering to give more than a shallow report repeating the bigger media narrative (it's close!).

Pretty maddening.

 

[Rebel Leader]

EDIT: nvm

 

[Xdrive05]

Gaffers, regardless of your own views, was Romney really the best candidate the GOP could put forward to take Obama down? Or do you think one of the other primary candidates would have done a better job these last few months? (Considering Romney's fails that have been so well publicized by the left...47%, Baine, flip flops, vagueness of tax plan, etc.)

 

[Arksy]

Mitt believes that life begins at conception and wishes that the laws of our nation reflected that view. But while the nation remains so divided, he believes that the right next step is for the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade – a case of blatant judicial activism that took a decision that should be left to the people and placed it in the hands of unelected judges. With Roe overturned, states will be empowered through the democratic process to determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate.

He thinks Roe v Wade was judicial activism and thinks it's a question best left for the people to decide through the democratic process. That's fine by me but on the broader point, I suppose that his website directly contradicts his earlier point but the video is 18 years old so it's not the best evidence of his equivocal nature.

 

[The Blue Jihad]

I never saw a politician changing his position as an overly negative thing. It's never a bad idea to better yourself and come around to another way of thinking. Only fools stick to their opinion even after they've been proven wrong. Implying a lack of integrity because someone changed their opinion is laughable.

It's among the least convincing argument someone can pull out against a politician in my eyes, even a scumbag like Romney.

The media here has no fucking clue what they're talking about. I'm pretty much baffled at what I'm hearing on the news.

You realize that it's more than just "my views are evolving" with Romney, right?

 

[ElectricBlue187]

He thinks Roe v Wade was judicial activism and thinks it's a question best left for the people to decide through the democratic process. That's fine by me.

the point of the video is not "what does Arksy think about abortion law" but to show that Romney has no conviction about anything.
As with anything "let the states decide" usually means "lol no"

 

[Lost Fragment]

Gaffers, regardless of your own views, was Romney really the best candidate the GOP could put forward to take Obama down? Or do you think one of the other primary candidates would have done a better job these last few months? (Considering Romney's fails that have been so well publicized by the left...47%, Baine, flip flops, vagueness of tax plan, etc.)

Romney is awful, but he was the most electable of the bunch by a long shot.

Though the election would've been about 100x more entertaining of Bachmann was the nominee.

 

[Hitokage]

I never saw a politician changing his position as an overly negative thing. It's never a bad idea to better yourself and come around to another way of thinking. Only fools stick to their opinion even after they've been proven wrong. Implying a lack of integrity because someone changed their opinion is laughable.

It's among the least convincing argument someone can pull out against a politician in my eyes, even a scumbag like Romney.

There's changing your mind and shifting positions with impunity all the while insisting past positions were never held. Romney has given as much as three contradictory statements within the same week. Ask him about his statements on his health care law being a model for the nation, and he won't explain how he was mistaken but rather deny making such claims. Even while he was on tape making them.

 

[Arksy]

the point of the video is not "what does Arksy think about abortion law" but to show that Romney has no conviction about anything.

The video was still disingenuous about it. They should've quoted the website.

 

[Kabouter]

Gaffers, regardless of your own views, was Romney really the best candidate the GOP could put forward to take Obama down? Or do you think one of the other primary candidates would have done a better job these last few months? (Considering Romney's fails that have been so well publicized by the left...47%, Baine, flip flops, vagueness of tax plan, etc.)

More or less yes, it's hard to see how most others would have done at appealing to the mainstream American audience. Romney had to take a big step towards the middle in the debates and in the campaign, look at how far most others would have had to go. Of the front runners, I feel he was probably the 'best' choice.

There's changing your mind and shifting positions with impunity all the while insisting past positions were never held. Romney has given as much as three contradictory statements within the same week.

But we have always been at war with Eurasia!

 

[ElectricBlue187]

The video was still disingenuous about it. They should've quoted the website.

how is it disingenuous when it is exactly what he thinks!

 

[Rocket Scientist]

People who's opinions genuinly ''evolve'' (lol) are not afraid to admit or discuss it (see Obama's view on gay marriage). Those that ''evolve'' merely out of political gain ignore their past opinions and pretend they don't exist. They will even deny ever having had them. It's not that hard.

 

[Arksy]

More or less yes, it's hard to see how most others would have done at appealing to the mainstream American audience. Romney had to take a big step towards the middle in the debates and in the campaign, look at how far most others would have had to go. Of the front runners, I feel he was probably the 'best' choice.

To be honest the candidates I think who would've had the best chance of winning were never going to be able to secure the candidacy. Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. I think Gary Johnson with the republican party's full support could've really made some inroads but yeah the modern GOP was never going to do that.

 

[Brinbe]

Rombot was the probably the 2nd best among a historically terrible lot. Aside from Jon Huntsman Jr, Romney was the only one who even had a chance of moderating some of his stances (which he did in the general). But he was still a terrible candidate and is only in this election at all due to the sluggish recovery.

 

[Volimar]

Polls are now open in Ohio. Good luck and Godspeed.

Spoiler

You should have voted early

 

[Haunted]

You realize that it's more than just "my views are evolving" with Romney, right?

Well yeah, you're probably right. With him it's smelling more like an opportunist used to going with the flow and what he's told is best at the time than some actual evolution in his views and positions.

That said, I still think there's too much importance placed on the perceived flip-flopping in US politics (regardless whether it's leveled against Kerry then or Romney now) - there are more credible and important ways to attack and dismantle these people.

 

[Arksy]

Well yeah, you're probably right. With him it's smelling more like an opportunist used to going with the flow and what he's told is best at the time than some actual evolution in his views and positions.

That said, I still think there's too much importance placed on the perceived flip-flopping in US politics (regardless whether it's leveled against Kerry then or Romney now) - there are more credible and important ways to attack and dismantle these people.

To be fair it's kind of difficult to attack someone on his policies if he keeps changing them.

 

[Haunted]

But we have always been at war with Eurasia!

Eastasia, but point taken.

To be fair it's kind of difficult to attack someone on his policies if he keeps changing them.

Or if they're as vague as his tax plans.

 

[Kabouter]

To be honest the candidates I think who would've had the best chance of winning were never going to be able to secure the candidacy. Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. I think Gary Johnson with the republican party's full support could've really made some inroads but yeah the modern GOP was never going to do that.

Both are ideologues on the fringe of the political spectrum and would have no hope of ever getting elected, regardless of the push behind them. Sure, their message might reach some significant minority, but neither would ever get elected President.

Eastasia, but point taken.

Damn, you're right. Stupid mistake.

 

[Brinbe]

Well yeah, you're probably right. With him it's smelling more like an opportunist used to going with the flow and what he's told is best at the time than some actual evolution in his views and positions.

That said, I still think there's too much importance placed on the perceived flip-flopping in US politics (regardless whether it's leveled against Kerry then or Romney now) - there are more credible and important ways to attack and dismantle these people.

But it's so easy with Romney! Sooo easy. From a video made five flippin years ago, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMdK0TWtks

 

[Plinko]

Went to my voting place, huge line of people, and they can't get the electronic voting machine to boot up. Way to go, guys. Way to go.

 

[Arksy]

Both are ideologues on the fringe of the political spectrum and would have no hope of ever getting elected, regardless of the push behind them. Sure, their message might reach some significant minority, but neither would ever get elected President.

Yeah I don't really know about the American electorate. I'm just speculating based off the vague assumption that the American electorate vaguely resembles the Australian one. I think Gary Johnson or Ron Paul would be elected down here in a near landslide...As long as they didn't touch our UHC that is.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

It was utter chaos at my voting station. I am glad I went early cause its going to be a long wait once people start coming in later today

It took them about 40 minutes for 15 people from my district to vote.

 

[Kabouter]

Yeah I don't really know about the American electorate. I'm just speculating based off the vague assumption that the American electorate vaguely resembles the Australian one. I think Gary Johnson or Ron Paul would be elected down here in a near landslide...As long as they didn't touch our UHC that is.

But they would touch your universal healthcare, Ron Paul effectively believes in a night-watchman state. To quote Ron Paul's wiki page:

The foundation of Paul's political philosophy is the conviction that "the proper role for government in America is to provide national defense, a court system for civil disputes, a criminal justice system for acts of force and fraud, and little else."

There is no industrialized country that I'm aware of where that platform would lead to the electoral success you describe on a national level.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Take your 3DS' and change your streetpass message to something amusing and political. Maybe do a funny Swapnote cartoon for sharing by streetpass too.

 

[thefro]

Wow, the media in Europe here REALLY makes it sound like this is the closest election EVER or something, i thought Obama had this in the bag but maybe not. They're even speculating about how the supreme court would have to decide in the end or whatever lol

Tomorrow we will know for sure either way...

Considering how half the US media seems to think the election is decided by popular vote it doesn't surprise me.

 

[thepotatoman]

Man just 10 minutes of watching fox news and they they already said "Obama is basically a socialist". I now remember why I haven't actually watched fox news in at least 2 years now. They really really know how to get my blood boiling. I have no problem reading a republican's opinion or criticisms of democrats, but fox is just rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric and a lot of it very nasty.

I was away from fox so long I honestly thought the whole "obama is a socialist" thing was a joke about maybe one or two things said long ago, but apparently its just a standard talking point.

Seriously the only socialist thing obama's done is his health care reform, and it happens to be the same exact thing as the thing their own candidate did for his own state and the same thing republicans proposed 20 years ago. And that's because its a move away from socialism, not towards.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

I just drove by a few polling places here in Maryland and I've never seen so many Republicans in one place before (with the exception of church and a Zac Brown concert). There are lines of well-dressed, pleasant people over a mile long.
If Romney can bring out this kind of support in Maryland of all places, then this thing is going to be a landslide victory for America's Comeback Team. Let's hope guys. Either that or, since it's not noon yet, most Democrats are still in bed. -Bulbo Baggins reporting live from the heart of Maryland

 

[Arksy]

But they would touch your universal healthcare, Ron Paul effectively believes in a night-watchman state. To quote Ron Paul's wiki page:


There is no industrialized country that I'm aware of where that platform would lead to the electoral success you describe on a national level.

Ok maybe Ron Paul is slightly too extreme. However classically in Australia libertarians or what we call 'classical liberals' have usually done very well electorally. John Howard was very classically liberal PM. He wasn't anywhere near as extreme as Ron but a platform of little government interference in people's daily lives as well as a conservative economic policy led Australia through one of its most prosperous golden eras in its history.

 

[jaxword]

Wow, the media in Europe here REALLY makes it sound like this is the closest election EVER or something, i thought Obama had this in the bag but maybe not. They're even speculating about how the supreme court would have to decide in the end or whatever lol

Tomorrow we will know for sure either way...

It's REALLY not that close, haha, they're probably hyping it deliberately for more hits and attention.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Got my FREE STICKER now I can go to sleep! before 7am

 

[greatestjediever]

I just drove by a few polling places here in Maryland and I've never seen so many Republicans in one place before (with the exception of church and a Zac Brown concert). There are lines of well-dressed, pleasant people over a mile long.
If Romney can bring out this kind of support in Maryland of all places, then this thing is going to be a landslide victory for America's Comeback Team. Let's hope guys. Either that or, since it's not noon yet, most Democrats are still in bed. -Bulbo Baggins reporting live from the heart of Maryland

lol, you asshole.


By 5:30am my local polling place in northern Virginia had lines wrapped around the block multiple times in this freezing weather. So glad I absentee voted last week.

 

[Soroc]

Just finished voting in new Hampshire. I moved here 3 years ago and never registered to vote. I was able t get in today get registered and vote in 20 minutes. I saw at least 50-60 people get through the process very smoothly. NH has this voting shit to a science

 

[Arrowgigantic]

I have it on good authority that Obama shed a tear at his final rally because he was thinking about Ralph wrecking Vanellope's cart.

 

[HylianTom]

Just drove by my polling place. Tons of slobs who look like they just got up off of their couches, hid their crack pipes in the couch cushions, and stumbled their way to the polls. I saw a few of them talking on their Obama phones (probably to their dealers). Looks like a good day for the Dems here, assuming that these folks know how to read the ballots. I sure do hope that the ballots here have pictures of the candidates on them.

 

[Xdrive05]

My inlaws are convinced that Romney has this in the bag, and oh by the way, there is probably going to be a race war as a consequence. Why? Because that's what the Obama administration and "the liberals" have said they're going to incite. And also because some liberals on twitter have threatened to burn down houses if Romney wins. And this is not from Fox News, you see! A real unbiased news source called Breitbart dot whatever has confirmed this.

My inlaws are not stupid people. They are snowed people who listen to talk radio and read Drudge. And they are scared to death for the safety of their kids. And these cynical, evil fucks profit off of doing this to good people.

 

[Loudninja]

Just drove by my polling place. Tons of slobs who look like they just got up off of their couches, hid their crack pipes in the couch cushions, and stumbled their way to the polls. I saw a few of them talking on their Obama phones (probably to their dealers). Looks like a good day for the Dems here, assuming that these folks know how to read the ballots. I sure do hope that the ballots here have pictures of the candidates on them.

Heh.

 

[ZeroRay]

Live right across the street from my polling station.

Looks like a sizable line already gathered up.

 

[Jive Turkey]

I never saw a politician changing his position as an overly negative thing. It's never a bad idea to better yourself and come around to another way of thinking. Only fools stick to their opinion even after they've been proven wrong. Implying a lack of integrity because someone changed their opinion is laughable.

It's among the least convincing argument someone can pull out against a politician in my eyes, even a scumbag like Romney.

Romney changed his position hourly at times and it was obvious that he was doing it strictly to pander. Basically he was broadcasting that he'd say anything if it meant more votes and while that's hardly a new thing in the world of politics I've never seen it so astoundingly blatant.

Gaffers, regardless of your own views, was Romney really the best candidate the GOP could put forward to take Obama down? Or do you think one of the other primary candidates would have done a better job these last few months? (Considering Romney's fails that have been so well publicized by the left...47%, Baine, flip flops, vagueness of tax plan, etc.)

Romney was easily the GOP's best option but not because he was good. It's just the other candidates were all obviously completely batshit insane. While Romney is clearly a douche he's a marketable douche.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I have it on good authority that Obama shed a tear at his final rally because he was thinking about Ralph wrecking Vanellope's cart.

did you just spoil the Disney movie for me?

 

[Gucci Messiah]

Just drove by my polling place. Tons of slobs who look like they just got up off of their couches, hid their crack pipes in the couch cushions, and stumbled their way to the polls. I saw a few of them talking on their Obama phones (probably to their dealers). Looks like a good day for the Dems here, assuming that these folks know how to read the ballots. I sure do hope that the ballots here have pictures of the candidates on them.

I hope you are not being serious because this post is incredibly offensive

 

[Haunted]

I just drove by a few polling places here in Maryland and I've never seen so many Republicans in one place before (with the exception of church and a Zac Brown concert). There are lines of well-dressed, pleasant people over a mile long.
If Romney can bring out this kind of support in Maryland of all places, then this thing is going to be a landslide victory for America's Comeback Team. Let's hope guys. Either that or, since it's not noon yet, most Democrats are still in bed. -Bulbo Baggins reporting live from the heart of Maryland

Just drove by my polling place. Tons of slobs who look like they just got up off of their couches, hid their crack pipes in the couch cushions, and stumbled their way to the polls. I saw a few of them talking on their Obama phones (probably to their dealers). Looks like a good day for the Dems here, assuming that these folks know how to read the ballots. I sure do hope that the ballots here have pictures of the candidates on them.

oh you guys

 

[HylianTom]

Heh.

I hope you are not being serious because this post is incredibly offensive

I'm not being the least bit serious.

Just a sampling of the disgusting things we'll be seeing soon.

 

[Brinbe]

Holy shit @ these voting lines. bahahah, lower electorate my ass.

 

[Loudninja]

I'm not being the least bit serious.

Just a sampling of the disgusting things we'll be seeing soon.

Ah I know that haha.

 

[Arrowgigantic]

did you just spoil the Disney movie for me?

No.