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[Forceatowulf]

I have to work second shift today (I'll be home around 11: 20 PM). At what time is the election usually called?

This is only my second rodeo so I'm not completely privy to this stuff yet.

 

[Dorrin]

Mitt is a good Christian! Didn't you know?

Even my not-so-conservative Philly suburb church is having election masses for "religious freedom" and "religious liberty". What is wrong with this country?

You've got me. Somehow they have convinced themselves that everything that hold dear is at stake. What the hell would they do if an actual liberal or open athiest got elected?

Now Roe Vs Wade I get that concern, it concerns me. Romney with some justice picks could make things happen there. Lowering taxes on the rich and putting it on the credit card that concerns me and we know how much Republicans love that idea.

But as far as Muslim religion and all this other crap.. really... really? The only god worshipped in Washington is $.

 

[kaskade]

Oh man. I'm seeing people re tweeting lolgop when they are actually voting Republican.

 

[djtiesto]

All voted, really hoping Obama takes this home and I never have to hear from Willard again.

 

[Effect]

I'm still fucking terrified that Romney will win. Everywhere I go around here people have just been singing his praises and I'm in New York. It's a rural town but it's still scary to hear so many people obviously voting against their interests.

That really bothers me. If he actually stood for things that would help people then I would be okay with people voting for him. When it's clear they really are voting against their own interest I can't help but become very angry and scared at the same time. People that I thought were intelligent willingly believing lies in the face of facts and real results.

I really hope things go in the direction of the polls.

 

[Patryn]

Ugh, I hope the people of the United States make the right decision and reelect President Obama... I'll be so pissed if he isn't, because he is important not only for your country and moving forward, but for my country and the entire world. Very much one of the greatest Presidents the U.S has had and to stop now would be an absolutely shameful thing. One of the few politicians who I feel is actually genuine, too.

Well, if the polling is wrong (and I don't trust polling), Obama should come up to Canada and get involved in our politics! We'll gladly take Obama over anyone else here!

At any rate, I hope the polling is accurate and Obama will take this. In Canada though, polling has been horribly wrong twice and one was so bad that it basically made a laughing stock of the concept of polling. Hopefully the polling in the States is actually accurate and I can (sort of) trust polling again. DO THIS SHIT OBAMA!

One of the greatest presidents? That's a joke (and I voted for him!) He's middling at best. He just looks good because George W. was such a disaster. I think when all is said and done, Obama will end up ranked in the forgotten middle tier of presidents.

The best modern president was Bill Clinton, surprisingly.

 

[ShOcKwAvE]

I have to work second shift today (I'll be home around 11: 20 PM). At what time is the election usually called?

This is only my second rodeo so I'm not completely privy to this stuff yet.

First West Coast polls report at 11pm EST. They called it on the dot four years ago, so if Obama has 215ev around 10pm, you can start celebrating since he'll get 55 from CA to put him over 270.

 

[Xdrive05]

You guys will love this. Just got a knock on my door. It was my neighbor. Apparently, someone went and let the air out of the tires of the cars of every home with an Obama yard sign. At least 6 people on my block and 3 or 4 one block over. And to top it off, the only gas station in town mysteriously had its "Free Air" compressor line cut, and the nozzle stolen.

Thankfully, I have a small air compressor in my car's emergency kit, so no one's going to be too badly affected. I guess we should be lucky that they didn't slash the tires, and just let the air out. Still, pretty petty to take that kind of action in my little Ohio village...

Time to carpool with the neighbors, bro, if the compressor takes too much time like mine.

What a true American* that guy is.

*true American means keeps Democrats from voting, as the constitution and God decrees.

 

[Bisnic]

That really bothers me. If he actually stood for things that would help people then I would be okay with people voting for him. When it's clear they really are voting against their own interest I can't help but become very angry and scared at the same time. People that I thought were intelligent willingly believing lies in the face of facts and real results.

I really hope things go in the direction of the polls.

People just believe that if Obama didn't "save" this country during the past 4 years, that obviously... the other choice will do better. Just like that! Who cares about everything he said! Make total sense right?

 

[Zabka]

One of the greatest presidents? That's a joke (and I voted for him!) He's middling at best. He just looks good because George W. was such a disaster. I think when all is said and done, Obama will end up ranked in the forgotten middle tier of presidents.

The best modern president was Bill Clinton, surprisingly.

Some of Obama's greatest accomplishments have been cleaning up Clinton's failures.

 

[Kettch]

You guys will love this. Just got a knock on my door. It was my neighbor. Apparently, someone went and let the air out of the tires of the cars of every home with an Obama yard sign. At least 6 people on my block and 3 or 4 one block over. And to top it off, the only gas station in town mysteriously had its "Free Air" compressor line cut, and the nozzle stolen.

Thankfully, I have a small air compressor in my car's emergency kit, so no one's going to be too badly affected. I guess we should be lucky that they didn't slash the tires, and just let the air out. Still, pretty petty to take that kind of action in my little Ohio village...

That's not just petty, that's a suppression effort attempting to keep people from driving to the polls.

 

[Hitokage]

Meanwhile...

 

[BattleMonkey]

That really bothers me. If he actually stood for things that would help people then I would be okay with people voting for him. When it's clear they really are voting against their own interest I can't help but become very angry and scared at the same time. People that I thought were intelligent willingly believing lies in the face of facts and real results.

I really hope things go in the direction of the polls.

Real results lol

 

[Elginer]

Should've early voted, mang. I voted last Monday at 7am here in Longwood, FL

Yeah, I should have. Fuck!

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Y'know -- I find the old woman at ~55s in quite upsetting... because she's getting really upset about it and for some reason she sees this election as life or death or something, you can see it in her eyes. When she says "I believe in GOD!" why is she tearing up and getting bent out of shape like that?

I look at some of the people heavily emotionally invested in Romney, not his normal supporters, but the ones who are going to be deeply hurt like this woman if he loses - and I see nothing but sadness. And possibly mentally unwell people. And I have to blame all the people who have made a living SCARING old women like that, and preying on their fears, and their faith-based fears... it's just disgusting

How is she a victim of anything? Her passion does not excuse her from owning her own words and beliefs.

 

[Atruvius]

When do we know who won?

 

[Kusagari]

One of the greatest presidents? That's a joke (and I voted for him!) He's middling at best. He just looks good because George W. was such a disaster. I think when all is said and done, Obama will end up ranked in the forgotten middle tier of presidents.

The best modern president was Bill Clinton, surprisingly.

There's no way the guy who passed health care reform and was the first to declare open support for gay marriage in office will be forgotten.

Whether he's looked at kindly or not.

 

[Forceatowulf]

First West Coast polls report at 11pm EST. They called it on the dot four years ago, so if Obama has 215ev around 10pm, you can start celebrating since he'll get 55 from CA to put him over 270.

Shiet... then I wont know shit until one of my co-workers get's on their smart phone and announces it to everyone. (No TV's or radios in my building =/)

That's not going to be nearly as fun as watching Karl Rove call Ohio for Obama again like he had to do last time. Damn you second shift...

 

[ivysaur12]

‏@fivethirtyeight
Running one last projection based on this AM's polls. Our projected margin in Florida now Obama 49.797, Romney 49.775.

Ahhhhh! I know he doesn't need it, but ahhhh!

 

[Arjen]

Oh my... you see this?

PS: Warning! save your IQ somewhere before click here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nY0M7IdNl7U&list=UUVhuBK45_glp41jk_Xn8J1g

Just WOW!

Damn Buddhist taken over your country man, always knew those folk couldn't be trusted.

 

[ViperVisor]

Laura Ingraham brought the bitterness in the AM.

Flipping out about Jay-Z and his A words B words F words N words.

And 'I bet sometime in the future Chris Christie becomes a Democrat'.

 

[WillyFive]

When do we know who won?

Around tonight, which is in about 9 or so hours as of this writing.

 

[RDreamer]

Some of Obama's greatest accomplishments have been cleaning up Clinton's failures.

This.

Obama should be looked at as one of our better presidents, especially in the more modern era, and especially if he wins re-election. If he doesn't win re-election, then I think it's a tragedy, because he accomplished quite a lot given the circumstances he was handed.

 

[grkazan12]

You got to give the man some credit. Dude got us out if two wars, potential less conservative Supreme Court justices, it's not the perfect plan IMO, but the ACA will change health care in the U.S. for the better. Also the ACA could be improved upon in the future.

 

[Patryn]

There's no way the guy who passed health care reform and was the first to declare open support for gay marriage in office will be forgotten.

Whether he's looked at kindly or not.

Curious: Without looking it up, can you name the president who created Medicare? Do you think most people could name him?

Spoiler

It was Johnson as part of his Great Society

 

[MetatronM]

First West Coast polls report at 11pm EST. They called it on the dot four years ago, so if Obama has 215ev around 10pm, you can start celebrating since he'll get 55 from CA to put him over 270.

More precisely, Obama is going to get 78 EVs basically as soon as the West Coast closes from Washington, Oregon, California, and Hawaii, so if he's at 192 or better before 11 pm, he has won the election.

 

[speedline]

One of the greatest presidents? That's a joke (and I voted for him!) He's middling at best. He just looks good because George W. was such a disaster. I think when all is said and done, Obama will end up ranked in the forgotten middle tier of presidents.

The best modern president was Bill Clinton, surprisingly.

I agree with this and I'm voting Romney. The thing about Clinton is that he knew how to get things done even without a majority in Congress. He was able to compromise on all types of legislation and balance a budget. This is in stark contrast to Obama that basically blew his load the first year with Obamacare and totally disregarded the other party. The unwillingness to compromise is completely against the message he ran on and is one of the major reason that I believe he will lose re-election today. I don't hate Obama, but he is far from one of the greats and he is far from the hype that surrounded him. The greats knew how to reach across the aisle to get things done, obama has been a largely stagnant President.

 

[Stumpokapow]

At any rate, I hope the polling is accurate and Obama will take this. In Canada though, polling has been horribly wrong twice and one was so bad that it basically made a laughing stock of the concept of polling. Hopefully the polling in the States is actually accurate and I can (sort of) trust polling again. DO THIS SHIT OBAMA!

This is not really a good assessment of the situation. There is far less polling done in Canada, it's far harder to poll a Westminister parliamentary system than a presidential election, the more candidates the harder it gets (and Canada is at least a two-party-plus country and more likely a semi-multi-party system), and even then it's not clear that polling has actually been "horribly wrong" in Canada--plenty of polling of Canadian elections has suggested incorrect seat projections, or missed the border between a minority and majority government, but there's never a radical miss.

I agree with this and I'm voting Romney. The thing about Clinton is that he knew how to get things done even without a majority in Congress. He was able to compromise on all types of legislation and balance a budget. This is in stark contrast to Obama that basicallt blew his load the first year with Obamacare and totally disregarded the other party. The unwillingness to compromise is completely against the message he ran on and is one of the major reason that I believe he will lose re-election today. I don't hate Obama, but he is far from one of the greats and he is far from the hype that surrounded him.

Obamacare was the compromise.

You can't evaluate compromise by the result, because that incentivizes obstinacy and bad faith dealing on the part of the opposition party. You have to evaluate compromise by basically sanity checking the baseline positions of both actors, and measuring the desire and ability to meet in the middle.

Note that I don't think this absolves Obama from a responsibility to do things--if institutional constraints prevented him from doing stuff, that's still on him--but it's still important to characterize him correctly.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Ahhhhh! I know he doesn't need it, but ahhhh!

Looks like FL is once again the swingiest state in the union

 

[Brinbe]

Prolonging the Florida result (if Nate's projections are accurate) would only be a festering wound for Romney. Bring it on.

 

[RustyNails]

One of the greatest presidents? That's a joke (and I voted for him!) He's middling at best. He just looks good because George W. was such a disaster. I think when all is said and done, Obama will end up ranked in the forgotten middle tier of presidents.

The best modern president was Bill Clinton, surprisingly.

Yep, totally forgotten for implementing national healthcare plan that every President since Roosevelt failed.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

One of the greatest presidents? That's a joke (and I voted for him!) He's middling at best. He just looks good because George W. was such a disaster. I think when all is said and done, Obama will end up ranked in the forgotten middle tier of presidents.

The best modern president was Bill Clinton, surprisingly.

No.

Bill Clinton never faced anything like the crises that Obama did. We were losing 800k jobs per month, heading into a Great Depression.

 

[Live Free or Die]

Wrote in Ron Paul. Let's do this!

 

[Jarmel]

I asked this in the other thread but does anyone know a good internet stream after the polls close?

 

[Flo_Evans]

You guys will love this. Just got a knock on my door. It was my neighbor. Apparently, someone went and let the air out of the tires of the cars of every home with an Obama yard sign. At least 6 people on my block and 3 or 4 one block over. And to top it off, the only gas station in town mysteriously had its "Free Air" compressor line cut, and the nozzle stolen.

Thankfully, I have a small air compressor in my car's emergency kit, so no one's going to be too badly affected. I guess we should be lucky that they didn't slash the tires, and just let the air out. Still, pretty petty to take that kind of action in my little Ohio village...

Even worse, here's a vid of someone trying to vote using a touch screen apparatus only to see that it was calibrated to fill in Romney if you push for Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM

Holy shit lol.

Damn I just got an email form the Obama spam machine to go help with get out the vote efforts... might do it if the office isn't busy this afternoon.

 

[KevinRo]

Just voted. 30 minute wait. HoCo, Maryland.

Time to drink down some Jim Beam.

 

[krypt0nian]

Oooh please get Florida, Obama. I have some crazy ass victory parties to go to if so, and it would help to shrug off the still-painful Bush/Gore fuckery.

 

[Zaph]

So, when Obama gets re-elected, what are the odds the Republicans will just work with him to help the American people seeing as there's no possible threat of the black guy getting a third term?

 

[Xdrive05]

Meanwhile...

Room is only empty because the fed arrested his supporters for false tax evasion, then took all the furniture and turned it into fiat currency to kick the gold standard down the road... something, freedom, foreign wars, Adam Smith, black people, abortion, we're all austrians now, freedom...

This election needs more RP.

 

[eznark]

Meanwhile...

He is yesterday's news.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

So, when Obama gets re-elected, what are the odds the Republicans will just work with him to help the American people seeing as there's no possible threat of the black guy getting a third term?

L
O
L

 

[The Technomancer]

So, when Obama gets re-elected, what are the odds the Republicans will just work with him to help the American people seeing as there's no possible threat of the black guy getting a third term?

My algorithms say -18%

 

[Protein]

If Florida goes Blue then someone needs to reverse the BugsBunnyFlorida.gif

 

[grkazan12]

I agree with this and I'm voting Romney. The thing about Clinton is that he knew how to get things done even without a majority in Congress. He was able to compromise on all types of legislation and balance a budget. This is in stark contrast to Obama that basicallt blew his load the first year with Obamacare and totally disregarded the other party. The unwillingness to compromise is completely against the message he ran on and is one of the major reason that I believe he will lose re-election today. I don't hate Obama, but he is far from one of the greats and he is far from the hype that surrounded him.

Well when you have a batshit crazy congress lead by an overmanned man and turtle man, turns out you can't get shit done. When they sign a pact vowing for no new taxes and their goal being to make Obama a one term president. Fuck outta here.

 

[Pctx]

If Florida goes Blue then someone needs to reverse the BugsBunnyFlorida.gif

That would be kinda awesome.

 

[WillyFive]

If Florida goes Blue then someone needs to reverse the BugsBunnyFlorida.gif

Why? It's still Florida. They'd just stay a swing state.

 

[Patryn]

So, when Obama gets re-elected, what are the odds the Republicans will just work with him to help the American people seeing as there's no possible threat of the black guy getting a third term?

Zero. The Republican gameplan will again be obstructionism. They want to convince the electorate that the only way for government to achieve anything is for the public to elect Republicans or elect Democrats who "compromise" by doing whatever the Republicans want. I think they also believe that because they're seen as the anti-government party they'll benefit if the public turns against congress.

They're trying to run a zero-sum game.

 

[RDreamer]

Obamacare was the compromise.

You can't evaluate compromise by the result, because that incentivizes obstinacy and bad faith dealing on the part of the opposition party. You have to evaluate compromise by basically sanity checking the baseline positions of both actors, and measuring the desire and ability to meet in the middle.

Seriously, it pisses me off that people don't see this. Obamacare was a giant compromise from the very beginning. The fact that no republicans voted for it isn't some sort of evidence that Obama can't compromise. It's evidence that the republicans were being obstructionist dicks. They weren't going to listen to anything or vote on anything. I remember seeing a story of a democrat basically asking a few of the republicans if there was any sort of health care reform they'd go along with at all. Their answer? No.

The fact that people keep pointing to this as a failure on Obama just vindicates the strategy of the republican party, and shows going into the future that you can be a whiny baby that doesn't want to give in to anything and you'll win and it'll make the other guy look bad.

 

[Zia]

I posted this in the "I Voted" thread, but thought I'd put it here as well. Nice story for a day like today. Try not to let ALL of your hair fall out!

---

A little story: I'm currently working seasonally in a medical lab. There's an older gentleman I've befriended and he often approaches me with political conversation. He's very bright, but not very informed, or passionate in the least, and quite disillusioned with the current state of things in this country. Our conversations usually start with him mentioning an email a friend sent him (always conservative), or other hearsay. I've been very careful not to get angry with him, and instead have patiently explained things to him in an unbiased manner, or have pointed him toward news pieces, being careful not to inject opinion and put him off.

I was certain he'd still vote for Romney. This morning he comes into the lab with his voter's sticker, and tells me that he voted for Obama. "The facts are against Romney... plus, I hate the fact that he walks around with his sleeves rolled up all the time, as if he's ever known hard work." I am very proud. Could have hugged him if I didn't think he'd try to grope me. :')

 

[OriginofHysteria]

One of the greatest presidents? That's a joke (and I voted for him!) He's middling at best. He just looks good because George W. was such a disaster. I think when all is said and done, Obama will end up ranked in the forgotten middle tier of presidents.

The best modern president was Bill Clinton, surprisingly.

Modern times I personally think George Sr. Was one of the better ones and minus Watergate id even go as far as Nixon. To make things fair LBJ was a better president than Obama.

Though I still think the best of all time was Lincoln.