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[Morrigan Stark]

It's funny and depressing to see the non-readers so confused about Elia and Lyanna. I'm not mocking them by the way, I'd be confused as all hell too if I hadn't read the books. I think the show has done a poor job of establishing the mythology behind Rhaegar, Lyanna, and the rebellion. But maybe they'll remedy that soon. Rhaegar has finally been mentioned this episode, the first time since, what, early S1 when Robert mentioned him (or did he, I don't even remember)?

 

[KumaJG]

Episode ended really dark with Arya killing in cold blood. I wonder if that might turn some people off.

Definitely, it only going to get worst too.

 

[Dysun]

It's funny and depressing to see the non-readers so confused about Elia and Lyanna. I'm not mocking them by the way, I'd be confused as all hell too if I hadn't read the books. I think the show has done a poor job of establishing the mythology behind Rhaegar, Lyanna, and the rebellion. But maybe they'll remedy that soon. Rhaegar has finally been mentioned this episode, the first time since, what, early S1 when Robert mentioned him (or did he, I don't even remember)?

Barristan mentioned Rhaegar last season, but yeah the confusion on Daenerys being born at the same time as Elia's kids was always jarring

 

[User 100115]

Rhaegar has finally been mentioned this episode, the first time since, what, early S1 when Robert mentioned him (or did he, I don't even remember)?

He was mentioned last season by Barristan.

He talked about what an honorable and awesome guy he was. I was hoping more people would pick up on that and go 'Wait, the dude Robert said was evil and kidnapped his bride this awesome dude thinks was awesome? Weird.'

 

[devilhawk]

I imagine Brienne and Loras will argue before Jamie presents her the sword and sends her on her quest.

 

[Madness]

It's funny and depressing to see the non-readers so confused about Elia and Lyanna. I'm not mocking them by the way, I'd be confused as all hell too if I hadn't read the books. I think the show has done a poor job of establishing the mythology behind Rhaegar, Lyanna, and the rebellion. But maybe they'll remedy that soon. Rhaegar has finally been mentioned this episode, the first time since, what, early S1 when Robert mentioned him (or did he, I don't even remember)?

Yup, if I didn't read the books, I'd be like who the fuck cares about Rhaegar anymore and princess Elia or even Lyanna Stark. Going to be even worse once we get to "young Griff" and his story. At least after this season they'll know more about the details and hopefully more about Elia and her kids. Reading the book, you get to read details the show just can't expand on.

 

[Subitai]

Yup, if I didn't read the books, I'd be like who the fuck cares about Rhaegar anymore and princess Elia or even Lyanna Stark. Going to be even worse once we get to "young Griff" and his story. At least after this season they'll know more about the details and hopefully more about Elia and her kids. Reading the book, you get to read details the show just can't expand on.

Yeah, makes me wish they'd do a prequel season/mini series. Probably a little too late for that now though.

 

[WhereAreMahDragonz]

Kind of cool autotune remix

 

[Vespene]

There's gonna be a lot of made up Arya content this season...

I wonder if they're going to get her to Braavos mid way through the season, coinciding with Melisandre's visit, thus fulfilling her prophecy from season 3.

 

[Obscured]

There's gonna be a lot of made up Arya content this season...

I wonder if they're going to get her to Braavos mid way through the season, coinciding with Melisandre's visit, thus fulfilling her prophecy from season 3.

Yeah, I thought that was a great scene, but at the start I was thinking, "wow, they are doing this already?" And I expected the Hound to have a rougher go of it considering. On one hand i glad we'll get a bit more of the Hound and Arya show, but on the other I wonder how they will get everyone where they need to be. Kind of the same thing with Jaime already being in King's landing (although by doing that they give the chance to show that there is zero affection between Jaime and Joff, but lose one of the reasons that Cersei puts such a distance between her and Jaime.)

All in all I'm pretty happy and can't wait for the rest of this season, it is going to go by too fast though.

 

[cdkee]

If I hadn't read the books I'd probably be confused as fuck.

Regardless, the episode was really good. Loved the Hound. ""If I have to hear one more word out of your c*** mouth, I'm gonna have to eat every fucking chicken in this place."" lmao.

Oberyn is great. I always pictured the Martells as a bit more...Moroccan? Maybe Algerian? In the show they seem to be Spaniards which is a good middle ground I guess. It's going to be a shame to see him get mountain'd.

Also, reading the Show-only thread is gold. Some of their predictions, oh man. THE TEARS.

 

[bearythebear]

So Purple Wedding is next episode? Surprised it's happening so soon.

 

[Madness]

I was one of those show watchers last season. Man was I wrong in a lot of things. I expect if I hadn't read the books, I'd be thinking of Ygritte saving Jon, Arya and the Hound fighting together in the countryside, Oberyn coming and screwing over the Lannisters at every turn etc. Jaime and Brienne training together. Don't know why, you're always hopeful when watching the show haha.

 

[CorvoSol]

Oh man the Hound is a real class act. "Every chicken in this place." Hahaha.

 

[hateradio]

Spoilers from that new chapter:

Spoiler

I can't believe they moved that whole thing up to this episode. I wonder if that was the reason he released it. It had a better build up in the book, but I guess it works since it might be easier to remind people who that guy was. Still, I wonder if they'll use the Mercy thing later.

 

[Vhagar]

Also, reading the Show-only thread is gold. Some of their predictions, oh man. THE TEARS.

Despite everyone calling for his head, I think quite a lot of them are going to be shocked when Joff does next week. They are all going to expect an episode 9 moment reserved for him.

 

[Moff]

I wonder how the implenetation of that new arya chapter worked.
as far as we know GRRM informed the show runners about where the Story is going, in broad strokes.
but this seems to be quite deailed information.
this seems to imply he may have shown them a lot of the material he has already written down.

 

[KumaJG]

Despite everyone calling for his head, I think quite a lot of them are going to be shocked when Joff does next week. They are all going to expect an episode 9 moment reserved for him.

Episode 9 might be reserved for Tywin L. death

 

[Vhagar]

I wonder how the implenetation of that new arya chapter worked.
as far as we know GRRM informed the show runners about where the Story is going, in broad strokes.
but this seems to be quite deailed information.
this seems to imply he may have shown them a lot of the material he has already written down.

GRRM did say in his blog post that the chapter is nearly 10 years old, so D&D would definitely have read it and much more I would guess.

 

[-Deimos]

What's this about a new chapter?

 

[King Allant]

What's this about a new chapter?

Wind of Winter new chapter

 

[Discotheque]

Martell's such a fucking G in here. Great casting on him and also ms. sand (wooo another rome castmember)

he sounded a lot like said taghmaoui though which made me disappointed that they didn't cast him. I always pictured the Dornish as more middle eastern looking than anything.

the dornish and the hound almost stole the show.

of course i emphasize almost because SERIES MVP JOFFREY did his scenery chewing once again.

and also as usual the worst scenes were daenerys and shae.

 

[youngplaya21]

Where are people talking about regarding the Arya/TWoW thing? What did she say that referenced that chapter (and yes, I read the new chapter). All I remember is the carry me thing, and I thought that was just a reference to Lommy saying the same thing before getting killed

 

[-Deimos]

Wind of Winter new chapter

drool

 

[Subitai]

drool

Sorry it was too irresistible.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Can this be made into a constant loop gif?

 

[Sai-kun]

Wind of Winter new chapter

Wow. Awesome.

 

[timetokill]

Martell's such a fucking G in here. Great casting on him and also ms. sand (wooo another rome castmember)

he sounded a lot like said taghmaoui though which made me disappointed that they didn't cast him. I always pictured the Dornish as more middle eastern looking than anything.

I love the Martells from the books, and I've always pictured them as Spanish/Portugese or perhaps even Greek, so I'm feeling pretty good about the casting so far. Oberyn looks great.

 

[Mockingbird]

Ugh. They should've never killed the Tickler off so early. I wanted to hear the inquisition. Polliver's death doesn't come as close either. He didn't manage to fight the hound at all. He also needed Mercy.

 

[Chuck Norris]

I really felt like Jon finally felt as though he should at this point in the story

 

[apana]

I think the acting is great but the episode really fell flat. I didn't get much emotion from it, it was a lot of talking and "let me get through list of things I have to say" type of lines. They really shouldn't try and rework the story, they have the right intention but it is just too freaking complex to reengineer. New Daario looks better to me but is not as charismatic, Oberyn is too awesome for words, Tyrell girl power shtick is getting old.

 

[Ephidel]

Kind of the same thing with Jaime already being in King's landing (although by doing that they give the chance to show that there is zero affection between Jaime and Joff, but lose one of the reasons that Cersei puts such a distance between her and Jaime.)

But we get a new reason - now he's going to be directly responsible for letting her/their son die. He insisted on remaining in the Kingsguard, he insisted on taking charge of the security arrangements now he's back, and he insisted on guarding Joffrey himself when Meryn's been doing it up until now. When everything goes wrong it will be his fault to some degree, and I'm sure she won't miss a chance to berate him or blame him for it (And to make it worse for him he'll have failed at his duty. Again).

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Brilliant Opening.

Arya was excellent at the end...well played.

 

[Arkanius]

Wow, that Winds of Winter chapter.
I knew it was her, and I still had a small boner trying to grow up.

I don't know how that makes em feel. Dirty I guess.

 

[RedShift]

Watching people in the no books thread try and figure out how Rhaegar was related to Dany was torture. He's her father? Her uncle? Her nephew? Gaaaaaah.

Loved this though: "I can just see jorah in a desperate last ditch effort to escape the friend zone try to ride one and get eaten."

Hilarious that exactly that happens but with Quenten not Jorah.

 

[Cpt.Underpants]

Wow, Oberyn's intro was awesome. Jon is somewhat improving

Can't wait to see more Oberyn. Glad to see the show is mentioning Rhaegar and Lyanna

Man, fuck Janos Slynt. What a bootlicker

 

[ponpo]

"Of course you named your sword"
"Lots of people name their swords"
"Lots of CUNTS"

 

[Atraveller]

Damn the thread moves fast! Just finished Ep.1, pretty good.

 

[Speevy]

Jon's voice sounded less whiny. I wonder if he's been taking feedback from us.

 

[PhoenixDark]

There's gonna be a lot of made up Arya content this season...

I wonder if they're going to get her to Braavos mid way through the season, coinciding with Melisandre's visit, thus fulfilling her prophecy from season 3.

They seem to just be moving things around and showing off page stuff. Arya and the Hound stayed in a village for quite awhile, helped rebuild it, and then ran into Gregor's men. I'd imagine the S4 arc willl end with Lannister men arriving in the village to hunt them, Hound gets injured etc.

Sounds cool to me.

 

[Red Arremer]

So I haven't read the preview chapters of AWOW (yet), anybody mind filling me in what they allegedly referenced from it in this episode?

 

[Fuzzy]

So I haven't read the preview chapters of AWOW (yet), anybody mind filling me in what they allegedly referenced from it in this episode?

Spoiler

Arya kills Raff and makes him use Lommy's words before doing so.

People need to stop posting things like this in the other thread.

^

Book spoilers. Please remove.

1. It's not a spoiler because the other poster was incorrectly referring to Joffrey's new sword during Blackwater.

2. Even if it was a spoiler you don't point it out like that.

 

[CloudWolf]

Goddammit, why did they have to cast Michiel Huisman as Daario? Now I can't dislike him like I do in the books.

 

[Kjellson]

Next week. :')

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Fantastic season opener. They didn't waste any time and have already done a fantastic job introducing Oberyn. He's bound to be the same kind of fan favourite he became in the books,

 

[KingHenrik30]

Not really, in the scope of the world. He just plays to win.

Well, yeah, he's kind of shitty, and directs a lot of shitty people to do the things that they do. But, out of all the potential buddy comedy/sitcom spinoffs that GoT inspires, him and Arya is probably my favorite.

He's cunning, a brilliant battle commander and he knows how to get shit done, so you gotta respect him for that. But that doesn't make him not a terrible person.

 

[Justice_dp]

I really felt like Jon finally felt as though he should at this point in the story

The problem is - it does not seem earned. Even the exposition about the Halfhand does not really match up with the things the viewer saw. But I hope they keep Jon on track from now on. The scene with Sam and him was really good.

And the backstory of the rebellion is rearing it's ugly head. They will ned some nice Bran powered tree-net sequences and exposition to make sense of everything. At least those who own the discs have the background in the bonus materials, but the show itself struggles quite a bit.

 

[NekoFever]

So Purple Wedding is next episode? Surprised it's happening so soon.

That's why it's good that it's so soon.

 

[Solo]

Nice return episode. Best part of it was the pre-titles sequence of melting down Robb's sword. Eerie and affecting.

 

[SamVimes]

He's cunning, a brilliant battle commander and he knows how to get shit done, so you gotta respect him for that. But that doesn't make him not a terrible person.

He is a terrible person. That doesn't mean that it's not a joy to watch him on screen, in large part thanks to Charles Dance. I'm gonna miss him and Joffrey so much in the show.