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Previously, though, David and Dan had talked about wanting to do big battles every other season (this was last year, I think?). That would point more to holding off the big battle until the climax of Season 6, which seems like a much more feasible place to have it.

Seasons 2, 4 and 6 each having a major battle as their Episode 9 moments.

Tyrion's not even getting to Essos until next season, so that doesn't change anything. I'm proposing having the pit being Episode 10 of next year, so that would work quite well with Tyrion, who would spend next season meeting up with Illyrio and Connington, finding out about Aegon, getting abducted by Jorah, getting captured by slavers, and then finally arriving in Meereen at the finale. This would all be happening while Tyrion was having his major character arc of falling into self-loathing, drinking a lot and making his disturbing sexual decisions. This is already a pretty meaty season for him.

The pit would be next season's episode 9, alongside Cersei's walk of shame. The finale would likely be Barristan capturing Hizdar, Dany binding with Drogon/facing off against the khalasar, Varys revealing his master plan/killing Prycelle and Kevan (or whoever they replace him with), Tyrion joining the Second Sons officially, Aegon arriving in Westeros, and the final scene would be Jon being assassinated.
 
The pit would be next season's episode 9, alongside Cersei's walk of shame. The finale would likely be Barristan capturing Hizdar, Dany binding with Drogon/facing off against the khalasar, Varys revealing his master plan/killing Prycelle and Kevan (or whoever they replace him with), Tyrion joining the Second Sons officially, Aegon arriving in Westeros, and the final scene would be Jon being assassinated.

So, you think Cersei's entire Feast arc would be handled in 7 episodes? And Jon's whole arc in 8 episodes or so?

There's not enough time in the season to reach all of those moments. You could get to some of them, but by dedicating enough time to reach those moments for certain characters, you wind up leaving other characters having much less time to build their arcs. Not to mention the fact that having Barristan's coup, Tyrion escaping slavery and joining the Second Sons, Dany's whole saga, Aegon landing, Varys doing his killings and Jon's assassination in a single episode would be far more than Game of Thrones has ever done in one episode. I don't even think you could find two consecutive episodes with so much happening in them. Not to mention it's the finale, which traditionally tries to check in with just about every character to some extent.

I think a more likely Episode 9 would see Cersei being imprisoned by the High Septon, Arya killing Daeron and waking up blind, Jaime capturing Riverrun and Doran revealing his plan to Arianne. Having Cersei and Margaery getting locked up and Arya being blinded would be a very exciting ninth episode.

Episode 10 would have Jaime meeting back up with Brienne, the pit scene, Littlefinger revealing his marriage plans to Sansa, Theon and Jeyne escaping Winterfell, and Tormund leading the wildlings south of the Wall.
 

Herr K

Banned
We don't know that for sure yet. Its entirely possible that the Tyrion/Tywin scene happens in Ep8 and his arrival in Pentos is in episode 10, which sets up his Dance arc for next year.

I believe it would be perfect if Tyrion disappeared on E08 and we didn't hear of him until next season. That's how it went on the books. After the Tywin thing, Tyrion simply vanished, which to me was a great way to handle things as it gives a feeling of uncertainty.
 

Moff

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We don't know that for sure yet. Its entirely possible that the Tyrion/Tywin scene happens in Ep8 and his arrival in Pentos is in episode 10, which sets up his Dance arc for next year.

I doubt that
tyrion disappearing is the perfect cliffhanger for his character, just like in the books
 
So, you think Cersei's entire Feast arc would be handled in 7 episodes? And Jon's whole arc in 8 episodes or so?

There's not enough time in the season to reach all of those moments. You could get to some of them, but by dedicating enough time to reach those moments for certain characters, you wind up leaving other characters having much less time to build their arcs. Not to mention the fact that having Barristan's coup, Tyrion escaping slavery and joining the Second Sons, Dany's whole saga, Aegon landing, Varys doing his killings and Jon's assassination in a single episode would be far more than Game of Thrones has ever done in one episode. I don't even think you could find two consecutive episodes with so much happening in them. I think a more likely Episode 9 would see Cersei being imprisoned by the High Septon, Arya killing Daeron and waking up blind, Jaime capturing Riverrun and Doran revealing his plan to Arianne. Having Cersei and Margaery getting locked up and Arya being blinded would be a very exciting ninth episode.

Episode 10 would have Jaime meeting back up with Brienne, the pit scene, Littlefinger revealing his marriage plans to Sansa, Theon and Jeyne escaping Winterfell, and Tormund leading the wildlings south of the Wall.

Actually this season's finale is going to be packed similarly. Children of the forest, Dany locking the dragons up, Jon becoming LC, Tyrion killing Tywin, Stoneheart.

Nine episodes should be enough to complete Cersei's arc. Again, I am basing this off of the way the show has skipped or sped up a variety of things.

Ep 1: Jaime's vigil, Tywin's funeral
Ep 2: Dinner with Kevan, Tommen's Wedding
Ep 3: Beginning of plot to frame Maergery
Ep 4: Cersei orders Davos' execution, introduction of new High Septon
Ep 5: Cersei's arms the Faith. Maergery/Loras inform the court of Iron Born attacks, Loras agrees to attack Storm's End
Ep 6: Cersei is informed Storm's End has fallen, Loras is injured. Maergery plot put into motion
Ep 7: Maergery arrested
Ep 8: Cersei arrested
Ep 9: Walk of shame
Ep 10: Varys epilogue

How is this not feasible? In AFFC, Maergery and Cersei are arrested in the same chapter. The show could easily show that Cersei has been in jail quite awhile before her walk, as the book did.

I don't see how Jon's chapters could be split into two seasons. What's the halfway point/cliff hanger for him?
 
I think the only way to translate the two books into a enjoyable viewing experience is to put them into one (or one and a half at most) season. Many things will have to be shortened or left out completely (e.g. Quentyn), because most of Feast and Dance can't really be shown visually. Think about how much of what happens in those 2000+ pages really advances the story.

You don't have to rush through content to make it an enjoyable viewing experience. There are so many additional strands that can be incorporated into the story to make it last at least two seasons. Of course, you're going to have Winds material appear early if you do that, but that's just how it's going to have to be. We'll probably start getting that material by season 6 anyway.

Leaving out Quentyn, for example, is a HUGE mistake. Think of how critical he is to Dany's arc and probably what happens to the Martells after his death. Of course, you can shorten his story to one season, but you don't have to get rid of him completely to make the story interesting. Same with the Greyjoy brothers.

Fans want interesting content, and that is possible by making AFFC and ADWD two seasons. I'm not saying they should set them up like it is in the books, but to have them mesh together as it's established in the timeline.

It just seems like a damn shame to cram everything into one season and miss out on so many moments that would make for excellent television.
 
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Herr K

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FF, I believe AFFC and ADWD could get two seasons between the two, but you'd have to go hald AFFC and half ADWD for each season. I doubt the show watchers will stick a whole season without Jon/Dany/Bran on scene, while only having the Ironborn.
Actually this season's finale is going to be packed similarly. Children of the forest, Dany locking the dragons up, Jon becoming LC, Tyrion killing Tywin, Stoneheart.

Nine episodes should be enough to complete Cersei's arc. Again, I am basing this off of the way the show has skipped or sped up a variety of things.

Ep 1: Jaime's vigil, Tywin's funeral
Ep 2: Dinner with Kevan, Tommen's Wedding
Ep 3: Beginning of plot to frame Maergery
Ep 4: Cersei orders Davos' execution, introduction of new High Septon
Ep 5: Cersei's arms the Faith. Maergery/Loras inform the court of Iron Born attacks, Loras agrees to attack Storm's End
Ep 6: Cersei is informed Storm's End has fallen, Loras is injured. Maergery plot put into motion
Ep 7: Maergery arrested
Ep 8: Cersei arrested
Ep 9: Walk of shame
Ep 10: Varys epilogue

How is this not feasible? In AFFC, Maergery and Cersei are arrested in the same chapter. The show could easily show that Cersei has been in jail quite awhile before her walk, as the book did.

I don't see how Jon's chapters could be split into two seasons. What's the halfway point/cliff hanger for him?

Having Cersei arrested in one episode and then releasing her on the second would be compressing things too much. She was going crazy while imprisoned, and many things have to change while she's on the Sept. You can't claim all those things happened in one episode.
 

Layell

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I'm of the opinion that Feast/Dance could pull about 1.75 seasons considering how sped up some arcs have already become. We could then pull from the cut dance chapters and heck even some of the preview chapters since we have a good idea of what the two battles are looking like.

Also maybe we should change the thread title to "A Song of Ice and Fire" cause show watchers would have no idea what that is compared to book readers.
 
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So is Aegon Targaryen attacking Westeros with Golden Company a fake or real Targaryen?
 

FootballFan

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FF, I believe AFFC and ADWD could get two seasons between the two, but you'd have to go hald AFFC and half ADWD for each season. I doubt the show watchers will stick a whole season without Jon/Dany/Bran on scene, while only having the Ironborn.
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Fair point Herr K aka Yollo, There definitely would need to be a merger of some sort.
Just like when I read the books using that boiled leather guide thingy last year. Much better experience.

I nearly died after finishing AFFC, felt like an epic slap to the face.
 
Actually this season's finale is going to be packed similarly. Children of the forest, Dany locking the dragons up, Jon becoming LC, Tyrion killing Tywin, Stoneheart.

I don't think we have confirmation of Jon becoming LC this season. Even then, Tyrion killing Tywin and the Children of the Forest are the big scenes there. That's still a lot less than showing an entire coup, Aegon's landing, Varys doing his killings, Jon's assassination, Tyrion's escape from slavery and Dany and Drogon's whole saga in a single episode. Even if you don't show any other characters, you're still going to be reduced down to about five or six minutes for a lot of those scenes. Will Barristan and the Shavepate commit an entire coup in under ten minutes without any buildup since the pit was the previous episode? That seems way, way too fast.

Nine episodes should be enough to complete Cersei's arc. Again, I am basing this off of the way the show has skipped or sped up a variety of things.

Ep 1: Jaime's vigil, Tywin's funeral
Ep 2: Dinner with Kevan, Tommen's Wedding
Ep 3: Beginning of plot to frame Maergery
Ep 4: Cersei orders Davos' execution, introduction of new High Septon
Ep 5: Cersei's arms the Faith. Maergery/Loras inform the court of Iron Born attacks, Loras agrees to attack Storm's End
Ep 6: Cersei is informed Storm's End has fallen, Loras is injured. Maergery plot put into motion
Ep 7: Maergery arrested
Ep 8: Cersei arrested
Ep 9: Walk of shame
Ep 10: Varys epilogue

How is this not feasible? In AFFC, Maergery and Cersei are arrested in the same chapter. The show could easily show that Cersei has been in jail quite awhile before her walk, as the book did.

That's fairly feasible on its own. But you have Cersei appearing in every episode, and a lot of those would require a decent amount of screen time. Not to mention you know they'll want to include the sex scene with Taena, plus some extra small council scenes (they do love those little bits of everyone sitting around for those, and Cersei's should be extra hilarious), and there will probably need to be some extra scenes establishing the faith (since it will be a new plot line) and some time spent with Tommen.

Tyrion in Season 2 is the only example of someone appearing in every episode. They probably aren't going to do it with Cersei next year.

And this comes to the main issue I have.

Could they reach the arrest of Margaery/Cersei in Episode 7? Absolutely. It would require that plot to be in every episode and get a good chunk of screen time, but they could do it.

Could they have Jon's whole Dance arc (possibly plus the LC election in the premier) in one season? Sure.

Could they have Tyrion meeting Illyrio, traveling with Connington/Aegon, getting abducted by Jorah, taken by slavers and then joining the Second Sons outside of Meereen all in one season? Sure.

Could they have all of Dany's chapters in Dance in one season? Sure.

Could they do all of that together in one season, plus Sam's separate journey, Stannis travelling through the North, Theon's story (and if they're ending with the pink letter for Jon they have to get all of Stannis and Theon's stories in), Davos doing his thing, everything in Dorne, Jaime traveling through the Riverlands, Arya's entire arc, Sansa's stuff in the Vale, Connington/Aegon travelling separately after Tyrion is capture and whatever they wind up doing with Bran in one season (this doesn't even factor in any scenes with the Ironborn outside of Theon)?

No, I don't think they can. There's just not anywhere near enough time to do it all. Some characters will have it all (Sam, Davos and Sansa will almost certainly finish up their Feast/Dance material by the end of Season 5), but unless they're expanding the episode lengths, there's no way to fit all of those arcs in the season. You can't have five or six different arcs which all require as much time as Tyrion's Season 2 arc.

I don't see how Jon's chapters could be split into two seasons. What's the halfway point/cliff hanger for him?

I see Tormund and Jon reaching their deal as a good stopping point for Jon in Season 5. They could then get to the assassination around the mid point of Season 6, leaving the fallout and first half or so of whatever happens at the Wall in Winds for the second half of Season 6.
 

FootballFan

Member
Yep, let's leave Tyrion, Dany and Jon out of a season's worth of TV. That'll go down well.

It was a stupid idea for the books, and it'd be a far worse one for the show.

That is not what I meant, I was trying to say that each book deserves 10 hours of material for both seasons in total. So like Herr K said, a merger was what I was getting at. But did not clarify.

I hated AFFC for the lack of Tyrion and Jon. So I am with you there.

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Iksenpets

Banned
I see Tormund and Jon reaching their deal as a good stopping point for Jon in Season 5. They could then get to the assassination around the mid point of Season 6, leaving the fallout and first half or so of whatever happens at the Wall in Winds for the second half of Season 6.

I think they could save themselves a lot of headache by billing it as season 5 parts 1 & 2 instead of seasons 5 and 6. Cersei's arrest + Daznak's pit is a weak ending compared to Blackwater or the Red Wedding, but if you get people thinking about it as a mid-season finale, with the bigger finale with the two battles and all that still to come, it's pretty good. And I think that move has been pulled enough times in modern television now that people would understand it.
 

eot

Banned
Leaving out Quentyn, for example, is a HUGE mistake. Think of how critical he is to Dany's arc and probably what happens to the Martells after his death. Of course, you can shorten his story to one season, but you don't have to get rid of him completely to make the story interesting. Same with the Greyjoy brothers.

Can you elaborate on why you think that?
Dany thinks he's a stupid kid who should go home, he's insignificant to her. Yes he releases the dragons but they can make that happen in some other way (that would be a minor change). As for the Martells, they don't know what happened and they're not going to for quite a while. Plus, they might side with Aegon anyway.

If they want him in the story they can just plop him down in Meereen. Have Doran say something and cut to Quentyn for the first time or something. They don't have time to show the boring travels of a minor character, who barely interacts with anyone important and then just goes and dies. They're hugely constrained by the number of different locations. Adding someone like Oberyn is no big problem, because he's in King's Landing and interacts with familiar people. Having someone who's off on their own is much more problematic.
 
They definitely need to mesh the two books together, just not into one season. There's plenty of material for two and some of the sections that don't work well in the books might be fine on the screen. Quentyn works far better if we see his journey rather than hear about it afterwards and what happens to him is visually great if the budget is there.
 
Can you elaborate on why you think that?
Dany thinks he's a stupid kid who should go home, he's insignificant to her. Yes he releases the dragons but they can make that happen in some other way (that would be a minor change). As for the Martells, they don't know what happened and they're not going to for quite a while. Plus, they might side with Aegon anyway.

If they want him in the story they can just plop him down in Meereen. Have Doran say something and cut to Quentyn for the first time or something. They don't have time to show the boring travels of a minor character, who barely interacts with anyone important and then just goes and dies. They're hugely constrained by the number of different locations. Adding someone like Oberyn is no big problem, because he's in King's Landing and interacts with familiar people. Having someone who's off on their own is much more problematic.

I think the ramifications for Quentyn's death could be huge. This is all book speculation, of course, but it would be very easy to just put him in Meereen from the beginning. I agree; his mercenary travels are tedious and slow, but they could show him and his comrades trying to scheme against Hizdahr for Dany's hand.

Plus his death would be awesome for the non-book readers to see. And it would allow them to better understand the Martell family, which we know is plotting to do something huge.
 

Violater

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John's "death" will certainly make for a crappy season ending cliffhanger.
I think a lot of people are going to give up on the show at that point.
I know I wanted to give up on the series as a whole, I sincerely hope the next book opens with Jon waking up in the Red Woman's bed.
 

Anoregon

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So is Aegon Targaryen attacking Westeros with Golden Company a fake or real Targaryen?

There's no way to be 100% sure at this point, but a lot of people seem to be leaning towards fake.
 

cdkee

Banned
I wonder if they'll just cut out the Quentyn arc.

Unless he was fulfilling the Dany prophecy "sun rising in the west and setting in the east".

Also yes, many believe that Aegon is a Blackfyre pretender, there's a passage from one of the AFFC Brienne chapters that hints at this. As well as Tyrion commenting on his age. However that history is nowhere in the show so...
 
I wonder if they'll just cut out the Quentyn arc.

Unless he was fulfilling the Dany prophecy "sun rising in the west and setting in the east".

Also yes, many believe that Aegon is a Blackfyre pretender, there's a passage from one of the AFFC Brienne chapters that hints at this. As well as Tyrion commenting on his age. However that history is nowhere in the show so...

This wouldn't surprise me at all. That character is ripe to get the axe for TV.
 

eot

Banned
I wonder if they'll just cut out the Quentyn arc.

Unless he was fulfilling the Dany prophecy "sun rising in the west and setting in the east".

Also yes, many believe that Aegon is a Blackfyre pretender, there's a passage from one of the AFFC Brienne chapters that hints at this. As well as Tyrion commenting on his age. However that history is nowhere in the show so...

I love that passage in Brienne's chapter:

"...He forged a new sign for the yard, a three-headed dragon of black iron that he hung from a wooden post. The beast was so big it had to be made in a dozen pieces, joined with rope and wire. When the wind blew it would clank and clatter, so the inn became known far and wide as the Clanking Dragon."
"Is the dragon sign still there?" asked Podrick.
"No," said Septon Meribald. "When the smith's son was an old man, a bastard son of the fourth Aegon rose up in rebellion against his trueborn brother and took for his sigil a black dragon. These lands belonged to Lord Darry then, and his lordship was fiercely loyal to the king. The sign of the black iron dragon made him wroth, so he cut down the post, hacked the sign to pieces, and cast them into the river. One of the dragon's heads washed up on the Quiet Isle many years later, though by that time it was red with rust."
 
I think the ramifications for Quentyn's death could be huge. This is all book speculation, of course, but it would be very easy to just put him in Meereen from the beginning. I agree; his mercenary travels are tedious and slow, but they could show him and his comrades trying to scheme against Hizdahr for Dany's hand.

Plus his death would be awesome for the non-book readers to see. And it would allow them to better understand the Martell family, which we know is plotting to do something huge.

Yeah, I think the consequences of Quentyn's death are more important than Quentyn as a character.

Book speculation, but if Doran hears that his son was just roasted by Dany's dragons and she basically laughed in his face at their pre-arranged marriage contract, I imagine Doran is going to be pissed at Dany. And probably side with Aegon. It certainly wouldn't be doing Dany any favors in gathering allies in Westeros.
 
I don't see how Jon's chapters could be split into two seasons. What's the halfway point/cliff hanger for him?
This is an important point. Character arcs need to be adapted in a way that gives them a climax/resolution over the course of a TV season. You can't just cut off an arc 2/3 of the way through because of how many chapters were in the books. An arc that makes sense over the course of a TV season, pulling content from the books as a source has to be the way it's done.
 

Dawg

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Vice: Please shut the fuck up about 'Game of Thrones'

Earlier this week, Games of Thrones—the thing that people on the internet now love more than anything else in the whole world—returned for another season. For some reason, it's a show that people have only ever felt comfortable describing to me IRL in alliterative HBO comparisons: "The Wire with wizards," "The Sopranos with swords," and so on. I haven't watched it yet, and to be honest, I probably never will.

Maybe I'd be a better person if I could put aside my prejudices and learn to appreciate the scope, escapism, narrative skill, and subtle humor that fantasy fans eulogize. But I don't think that's the problem here, because I've never had a particularly limited cultural imagination; as a kid, I loved Ghostbusters and was probably one of the few people I knew at the time to actually enjoy The Adventures of Baron Munchausen. I didn't spend me adolescence asking how much "killing" films had in them before deciding whether to watch them. I never rewound the lesbian kiss moment in American Pie 2, and my reading level did eventually mature to the obligatory "cool books" stage of Kerouac, Salinger, Ballard, Philip K. Dick, and the rest.

There are people who will call me a Luddite for not being able to stomach fantasy. But is it really me who's the Luddite here, or is it the people who went to bed every night for a year counting the days till they could go see a film called The Desolation of Smaug? I guess my real problem is that most things fantasy-related seem to come from a very conservative, dated worldview. They remind me of car trips, bars where the bartender wears corduroy, school trips to theme parks, and people who wear "SMEG OFF" T-shirts.

Also, where are all the ethnic minorities in Lord of the Rings? It's a fairly common, trolly thing to say, an accusation leveled at a lot of fantasy stuff and probably a point made by a thousand bad stand-ups. But that doesn't mean we should discount it. After a bit of googling, the common justification seems to be that these tales are written as part of English lore. But hold on guys? I thought it was supposed to be fantasy? It's cool to have an orc, some dragons, and tons of midgets, but no black people? It just seems a bit problematic to me.

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Dysun

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I'd be fine with AFFC/ADWD being 1.5 seasons of material after this. Season 6 should end with TWOW Battles of Fire and Ice. Finding suitable conclusions to Season 5 is the challenge
 

ezrarh

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I'd be fine with AFFC/ADWD being 1.5 seasons of material after this. Season 6 should end with TWOW Battles of Fire and Ice. Finding suitable conclusions to Season 5 is the challenge

I always thought this would work storywise but I don't know how feasible it is for the production crew. I was thinking split it into two parts like they did with Breaking Bad. 6 to 8 episodes for each part for a total of 12-16 episodes ending with the Battle in the North and the Meereen battle. And instead of a 1 year wait between, they could do like 8 months. However, due to the way HBO does their programming, it'd be unrealistic.
 

Iksenpets

Banned
Most seem to think he is a Blackfyre.

I really wonder how the show is going to handle it if the Blackfyre speculation is true. There's no way they can work in enough exposition to explain Blackfyre when they've already struggled to communicate any of the plot about Rhaegar and the rebellion to viewers. And they've never established that there can be non-Targs with the silver hair and all that, so they can't just make him some random kid. I wonder if they'll just have to let viewers believe he's legitimate, just for simplicity's sake.
 

Yonafunu

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Silly midweek content:
- GAME OF GOATS (youtube, theme song recreated with goats)
- Vox: Game of Thrones has changed the way we name babies (lots of people naming their kids Arya & Khaleesi)

People calling Dany "Khaleesi", and actually thinking that's her name, is probably my biggest pet-peeve. I know everybody in the show calls her that, but still, it annoys the shit out of me when people say shit like "Khaleesi is my favorite character".
Calling your child "Khaleesi" is a whole new level though, fucking hell.
 

Morrigan Stark

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That episode 2 preview :
Joffrey is so dead, yay. Also, LOL @ the dragon shadow over King's Landing. Some Bran or Dany vision no doubt, but man, HBO be trollin'.

People calling Dany "Khaleesi", and actually thinking that's her name, is probably my biggest pet-peeve. I know everybody in the show calls her that, but still, it annoys the shit out of me when people say shit like "Khaleesi is my favorite character".
Calling your child "Khaleesi" is a whole new level though, fucking hell.
Yeah, at least call her Daenerys for fuck's sake. xD And it can be shortened to Dany just like in the books, so it works. Khaleesi is just all kinds of stupid.
 
Agreed. Arya is a nice name so that I can understand, but Khaleesi? Groan.

I do like Lyanna and Elia as names though. They're pretty.

All of those are real names. So I can see how those names could come back. I feel sorry for the grown man named Khal Drogo who has to explain to people about a show from 30 years ago.

Edit: Oh yeah...FOr those that haven't read the book:
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