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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 4 - Sundays on HBO
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Steelyuhas
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So, I didn't know they were doing this, but I guess they are continuing Robert Ball's death posters for season 4.
"Two Swords"
"Two Swords"
bodyofanamerican
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Next week's is gonna be gooooood.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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Amazing
That one is really fantastic. Took me a good moment to notice Needle in the blood. Just the right amount of subtle.
hendersonhank
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So with the Hound coming out of the bar fight unscathed, what do you think will happen with him and Arya? Will she just run off at some point and he'll just have a change of heart and go to the monastery? Will she stab him when he's unaware, with her newfound coldbloodedness?
The bar scene was one of the best scenes in the whole series. The tension was somewhat reminiscent of the bar scene in Inglorious Basterds. You just knew it was going to get violent. My only criticism is that since the Hound was not falling down drunk as he was in the book, he should have had zero trouble with those rubes.
The bar scene was one of the best scenes in the whole series. The tension was somewhat reminiscent of the bar scene in Inglorious Basterds. You just knew it was going to get violent. My only criticism is that since the Hound was not falling down drunk as he was in the book, he should have had zero trouble with those rubes.
The pie...
PhoenixDark
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The trailers suggest he'll be training Arya. There has also been a clip of them talking to the wounded northern soldier, and Arya will presumably give him "the gift" (of death). Also there were filming reports that the Hound and Arya will spend time in a village, similar to what happened in ASOS.
I'm guessing they'll fix up the village, the Hound will get some nice character/comedic moments, and then it'll be attacked by a Lannister force. Hound gets injured, Arya leaves him, etc.
I could not possibly agree with the bolded any more than I do. I said the exact same thing to my wife when the episode was done. That scene was 100% Tarantino, in the best possible way.
Steelyuhas
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Bastard line of Targs that was legitimized.
A common theory is that Aegon is a Blackfyre and not actually Rhaegar's son.
RatskyWatsky
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The House/line started by Daemon Blackfyre. He was Aegon IV bastard son but he was legitimized before his fathers death. He rebelled against his half-brother Daeron II for the Iron Throne.
That stuff is mainly in the Dunk and Egg stories. You should check them out if you're jonesing for more ASoIaF, they're great.
I tried looking them up yesterday actually but they seem to be ridiculously expensive.
No, I honestly can't see that working. He's a great actor, but I think he would seem incredibly out of place on that show.
The Artful Dodger
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Stephen Fry.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Ian McNeice seems like the obvious choice for Wyman.based on appearances.
Steelyuhas
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Ian McNeice. Fun fact, he played Illyrio in the GoT pilot, but had a scheduling conflict when they reshot it.
Edit: Beaten and picture link fail :/
WhereAreMahDragonz
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The guy who's playing Mace is what I picture when I think of Wyman
GentlemanCrow
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McNeice was who I always pictured in the role but Fry would be good too. Heck, Fry should pop up in the Citadel come to think of it.
A Human Becoming
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Too skinny. Wyam is HUGE!
It's too bad Clive Mantle never came back to play Jon Umber. He was a perfect choice for the role. Same goes for the original Daario Naharis; this new guy doesn't have the same sleazy charm. While the first Mountain wasn't that big, his facial expression and demeanor seemed most appropriate for the character.
as some have already said: Ian McNeice.
I don't know about the physical copies, but the Kindle versions are pretty reasonably priced. I mean, they're in anthologies, so they're still pretty pricy if you're only interested in the Dunk and Egg stories. I imagine that eventually all the side stories from ASoIaF will get a collection, but that won't be for years.
While he is nowhere near as huge as he was on Rome, I still think McNeice would be perfect for the role.
he's right though
they are good, but a dance of dragons heavily implies that aegon is a blackfyre so
So? I told him that most of the history of the Blackfyres is in the Dunk and Egg books. I barely knew anything about the Blackfyres until I read them.
You can also pick up Legends, Legends II, and Warriors which contains the Dunk and Egg stories. Just make sure you pick up the paperback and not the mass market paperback which split up the story into multiple books.
Legends and Warriors are $14 on Amazon but Legends II seems hard to get at a reasonable price.
Legends and Warriors are $14 on Amazon but Legends II seems hard to get at a reasonable price.
eot
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I think they're going to get into a fight they can't win and the Hound is going to hold them off while he tells Arya to leg it, then cut away so we don't see what happens.
I've only read the first 2 books so far but did you guys also feel that they butchered Dany's visions in the House of the Undying on the show. I mean we got a Khal Drogo cameo and a foreshadowing of winter coming to King's Landing but the whole thing with Rheagar and a child whose song is the 'song of fire and ice' was gone. This kinda follow a trend on the show with them really not mentioning the Rheagar rebellion storyline as much as it is repeated in the first 2 books.
bengraven
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This reminds me that I need to read that Feast/Dragons combo that someone on GAF made. I had my wife read it instead of the individual books and she loved it. But looking over this summary, I'm shocked remembering that certain events in Dance took place alongside Feast, especially after reading Feast twice years before Dance came out. Seeing things familiar to me with events still fresh in my mind is just weird.
A common complaint, but showing all the visions would be very time/money-consuming and confusing for so many people. Here are the visions (copy paste):
1) a scene where four men with rat faces are raping a beautiful woman;
2) a feast of corpses, where many of the bodies were savagely slaughtered, and many of the corpses have cups or spoons in their hands; above them sits a dead man on a throne with the head of a wolf, wearing an iron crown and holding a leg of lamb like a king would hold a scepter;
3) old, dead, loyal Ser Willem Darry at the house with the red door from when Daenerys lived in Braavos;
4) a scene where an old man with long silver hair sits on a barbed throne in a great hall with dragon skulls, and says "Let him be the king of ashes";
5) a man who looked like Viserys, but taller and with darker eyes, who says to a woman nursing a baby, "Aegon What better name for a king He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"; and when the mans eyes meet Danys, he says either to her or the woman with the baby, "There must be one more The dragon has three heads", and he picks up a silver harp and begins to play;
6) a vision of Pyat Pree telling her the visit was over, and to follow him into a garden;
7) a great hall with several robed people claiming to be the Undying of Qarth, who tell her, "We sent the comet to show you the way (to Qarth) shall we teach you the secret speech of dragonkind?", but it turns out to be sorcery.
8) Viserys dying;
9) a tall lord with copper skin and silver hair bearing the banner of a fiery stallion (probably Rhaego, her unborn son);
10) a dying prince with rubies flying from his armor whispering the name of a woman with his last breath;
11) a blue-eyed king with a red sword in his hand who cast no shadow;
12) a cloth dragon amidst a cheering crowd;
13) a great stone beast flying from a smoking tower, breathing shadow fire;
14) her Silver horse given to her by Drogo at her wedding;
15) a corpse at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, smiling sadly;
16) a blue flower growing from a chink in a wall of ice;
17) shadows dancing in a tent
18) a little girl running toward a house with a red door
19) Mirri Maz Duur shrieking in the flames as a dragon bursts from her;
20) a corpse being dragged behind a silver horse;
21) a white lion running through grass taller than a man;
22) a line of naked crones emerging from a lake, kneeling before Daenerys beneath the Mother of Mountains;
23) ten thousand slaves crying "Mother" as Daenerys rode by on her silver.
You really think they were going to film all of that? "But they could film some!" True, but these visions are very ambiguous. Like who is Rhaegar talking to? Many assume Elia, but its not confirmed. Same with the blue eyed king. Are they going to specifically cast a guy for that or just use Stannis? Not to mention all the special effects. "Ok we need a white lion, a ship, a CGI dragon, a bunch of dudes to hold this cloth banner, cast another guy to be Rhaego... ah screw it just throw some snow on the chair."
The showrunners know how the series ends. My guess is that they kept visions that were relevant to the main story, and cut out what was fluff. I know a lot of people here were annoyed at the change, but I'm fine with it.
Frank the Great
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Thanks for posting all of those House of Undying visions, I had forgotten most of them.
Who is this supposed to be? Victarion?
Who is this supposed to be? Victarion?
Jon Snow sailing south? lol
I just re-read that sequence, is the 'warrior in shining emerald armour' meant to be Renly?
Sickboy007
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Aemon?
Yeah I suppose you're right, it's just that the Rheagar vision stood out to me as being really the main thing from all her visions. I mean obviously each and every one of them is foreshadowing a future event or relating to a past event. It just struck me as odd, I don't know I might be attributing a big significance to it since it has the words 'song of fire and ice'. Then again I was kinda annoyed that they cut a lot of Ned's visions and dreams about his sister which seemed like a pretty big mystery and something Ned kept coming back to.
I've read so many theories about this one, it's definitely one of the most ambiguous. I've heard people say it's Victarion, Daario, Euron, and even Jon Connington. It mentions "grey lips smiling sadly" which people consider Greyjoy ergo Victarion or Euron. JonCon because he has greyscale, and Daario because everyone wishes Daario was a dead guy strapped to a boat and sent to sea.
Wasn't that just one of the fake warlock guys? I never thought they had any significance, just that they were an illusion to trick Dany.
Anyways I'm bored so here's my personal opinion or what I believe:
1) a scene where four men with rat faces are raping a beautiful woman;
Four men are the four kings fighting over Westeros (the women) who are "raping" the country
2) a feast of corpses, where many of the bodies were savagely slaughtered, and many of the corpses have cups or spoons in their hands; above them sits a dead man on a throne with the head of a wolf, wearing an iron crown and holding a leg of lamb like a king would hold a scepter;
Red Wedding
3) old, dead, loyal Ser Willem Darry at the house with the red door from when Daenerys lived in Braavos;
Maybe one of those "history" visions
4) a scene where an old man with long silver hair sits on a barbed throne in a great hall with dragon skulls, and says "Let him be the king of ashes";
Mad King saying to unleash the wildfire on KL
5) a man who looked like Viserys, but taller and with darker eyes, who says to a woman nursing a baby, "Aegon What better name for a king He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"; and when the mans eyes meet Danys, he says either to her or the woman with the baby, "There must be one more The dragon has three heads", and he picks up a silver harp and begins to play;
Heavily assumed to be Rhaegar talking to Elia after Aegon is born. This is the most talked about vision. The "one more" is assumed to be Jon Snow.
6) a vision of Pyat Pree telling her the visit was over, and to follow him into a garden;
Self explanatory
7) a great hall with several robed people claiming to be the Undying of Qarth, who tell her, "We sent the comet to show you the way (to Qarth) shall we teach you the secret speech of dragonkind?", but it turns out to be sorcery.
Attempt to trick Dany
8) Viserys dying;
History lesson
9) a tall lord with copper skin and silver hair bearing the banner of a fiery stallion (probably Rhaego, her unborn son);
Rhaego
10) a dying prince with rubies flying from his armor whispering the name of a woman with his last breath;
Robert smashing Rhaegar as he whispers Lyanna
11) a blue-eyed king with a red sword in his hand who cast no shadow;
Stannis has blue eyes, a red sword, and used his shadow for assassinations
12) a cloth dragon amidst a cheering crowd;
Young Griff/Fake Aegon. A "mummer's dragon" which could mean a fake dragon or Varys' dragon (he was a mummer)
13) a great stone beast flying from a smoking tower, breathing shadow fire;
Another hotly debated one. Maybe something to do with Dragonstone or grayscale or who knows.
14) her Silver horse given to her by Drogo at her wedding;
History
15) a corpse at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, smiling sadly;
Mentioned before
16) a blue flower growing from a chink in a wall of ice;
Rhaegar gave Lyanna blue roses once, and we all know what the wall of ice means. JON SNOW
17) shadows dancing in a tent
RIP Rhaego
18) a little girl running toward a house with a red door
Dany running to her house in Braavos
19) Mirri Maz Duur shrieking in the flames as a dragon bursts from her;
History
20) a corpse being dragged behind a silver horse;
History
21) a white lion running through grass taller than a man;
Possibly Tyrion, the grass taller than a man is misleading as it's actually just a very small lion.
22) a line of naked crones emerging from a lake, kneeling before Daenerys beneath the Mother of Mountains;
No idea, maybe Dany returns to Vaes Dothrak
23) ten thousand slaves crying "Mother" as Daenerys rode by on her silver.
Mhysa scene at Yunkai
HotU was definitely a major event in the books and is one of the most debated and discussed moments. Maybe the show producers thought it gave too much away, or they didn't want to cast Rhaegar as they wanted to cast someone else later, or maybe they are going to directly change what these visions represent.
Guy in the No Books spoilers thread talking about Joffrey cutting open a pregnant cat, that's not been mentioned in the show has it?
Really annoys me when people post in there without being sure what they're talking about actually happened in the show. Last year there was a guy who kept insisting Joff trying to kill Bran had been mentioned in the show and he wasn't spoiling it, and another guy insisting Wyman Manderly had been in the show and was building Robb a fleet of ships.
Really annoys me when people post in there without being sure what they're talking about actually happened in the show. Last year there was a guy who kept insisting Joff trying to kill Bran had been mentioned in the show and he wasn't spoiling it, and another guy insisting Wyman Manderly had been in the show and was building Robb a fleet of ships.
I'm sure it's not mentioned in the show - hardly any of Joffrey's backstory is. I remember in the book that it was to taunt Tommen or it was his pet. Only book readers would know that or if he searched it online. Hope no one spoils the Purple Wedding until next week or even alludes to the necklace/hairpiece.
I believe in the book it says Tyrion's hair is lighter than his siblings. More of a bleach blonde I suppose. It could also tie in with the theory that Tyrion is a secret Targ.
Possibly. I was thinking of the failed poisoner, but these visions have many possible connotations.
Here's an interesting article about events in history that share similarities with GoT's story. Apparently winter already came.
People that builds their identity around the things they hate, dislike and oppose tends to be pretty shitty human beings.
PhoenixDark
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They don't know everything. They cut prophesies because they want to avoid them and the Lost comparisons that could follow. And because some would spoil events. Reading about a man with a wolf's head is one thing, visually seeing it might have spoiled the Red Wedding a year early.
Prophesy is important and the HoTU reveals a variety of important stuff, including Aegon. But all that stuff can be handled differently; I'd imagine the show will mention more about Aegon soon enough, so when he (well, a fake) shows up it'll make sense.
WiC posted their first Twitter reaction roundup and also coined the great word "threatsposition". Some highlights:
@triSARAHtops_41: The episode just started and Im already pissed off and sad
@jadande: Daenerys has more nicknames than Shaq in 1999-2000.
@motelsonthemoon: She doesnt even want Lemoncakes. I cant even.
@triSARAHtops_41: The episode just started and Im already pissed off and sad
@jadande: Daenerys has more nicknames than Shaq in 1999-2000.
@motelsonthemoon: She doesnt even want Lemoncakes. I cant even.
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